07-02-2011, 11:15 PM
If you start seeing Oregon stuff in Humboldt County...
07-03-2011, 09:08 AM
I'm not buying any of that. And I say that as someone who actually would like all of it to be true.
It's not just that the writer is anonymous, that he likely has an axe to grind against Oregon, or that his own anonymous sources are relying on second-hand information. It's also that the whole story reads like a West Coast re-make of the Ohio State scandal. Instead of tattoos, the players are supposedly trading their jerseys for weed. And in both cases the memorabilia is being hawked on eBay. What a coincidence. In addition, the writer manages to insinuate that the recent Cliff Harris and Kiko Alonso incidents may be part of some grand unified theory of Duck malfeasance. (Even Phil Knight makes a cameo.) There's a far simpler and more likely explanation: Chip Kelly has consistently compromised standards of player conduct in order to win. We've seen it time and again at Oregon. The Jeremiah Masoli and LaGarrette Blount cases come to mind first, but frankly it's hard to hard to recall all of the relevant incidents over the last few years.
All of that said, I read the recent Yahoo! article in its entirety, and it's damning. I also think that some of the big boys of college football - namely the Longhorns - want Oregon to go down. Can't have out-of-staters poaching the best players from Texas. At this point I can't see Chip Kelly staying at Oregon over the long term. That said, the NCAA moves slowly, so the question is: Can Kelly survive until the end of the 2011 season? I think the answer is still yes, unless there's another bombshell between now and the start of the season. Yahoo! was the leader not only on the Willie Lyles story but also on Reggie Bush, and my guess is that their investigation is moving on from Oregon. I heard an interview yesterday with their investigative reporter, and he sounded like he now has his sights set on the other schools with which Lyles did business. My guess is that LSU and Patrick Peterson will come under the microscope. Perhaps they should rename this year's Oregon-LSU game the Willie Lyles Bowl and award $25,000 to the winner.
I have to say that my favorite anecdote to emerge in the last couple of days is from Oregonian columnist John Canzano. Canzano called Chip Kelly shortly after the Lyles scandal first began to break and asked Kelly about his relationship with Willie Lyles. Kelly said he didn't know who Lyles was. That same day, the original Yahoo! story was published, and Canzano called Kelly back and confronted him about the lie. Kelly said that he had been confused by the name "Willie Lyles" since around the Oregon football office everyone called him "Will." This is a really creative defense that others should take note of.
Prosecutor: Did you ever supply Tyler Hamilton with performance-enhancing drugs?
Lance Armstrong: No.
(Later, during the perjury trial, after being confronted with the evidence)
Armstrong: I didn't understand the question. We always called him Ty.
It's not just that the writer is anonymous, that he likely has an axe to grind against Oregon, or that his own anonymous sources are relying on second-hand information. It's also that the whole story reads like a West Coast re-make of the Ohio State scandal. Instead of tattoos, the players are supposedly trading their jerseys for weed. And in both cases the memorabilia is being hawked on eBay. What a coincidence. In addition, the writer manages to insinuate that the recent Cliff Harris and Kiko Alonso incidents may be part of some grand unified theory of Duck malfeasance. (Even Phil Knight makes a cameo.) There's a far simpler and more likely explanation: Chip Kelly has consistently compromised standards of player conduct in order to win. We've seen it time and again at Oregon. The Jeremiah Masoli and LaGarrette Blount cases come to mind first, but frankly it's hard to hard to recall all of the relevant incidents over the last few years.
All of that said, I read the recent Yahoo! article in its entirety, and it's damning. I also think that some of the big boys of college football - namely the Longhorns - want Oregon to go down. Can't have out-of-staters poaching the best players from Texas. At this point I can't see Chip Kelly staying at Oregon over the long term. That said, the NCAA moves slowly, so the question is: Can Kelly survive until the end of the 2011 season? I think the answer is still yes, unless there's another bombshell between now and the start of the season. Yahoo! was the leader not only on the Willie Lyles story but also on Reggie Bush, and my guess is that their investigation is moving on from Oregon. I heard an interview yesterday with their investigative reporter, and he sounded like he now has his sights set on the other schools with which Lyles did business. My guess is that LSU and Patrick Peterson will come under the microscope. Perhaps they should rename this year's Oregon-LSU game the Willie Lyles Bowl and award $25,000 to the winner.
I have to say that my favorite anecdote to emerge in the last couple of days is from Oregonian columnist John Canzano. Canzano called Chip Kelly shortly after the Lyles scandal first began to break and asked Kelly about his relationship with Willie Lyles. Kelly said he didn't know who Lyles was. That same day, the original Yahoo! story was published, and Canzano called Kelly back and confronted him about the lie. Kelly said that he had been confused by the name "Willie Lyles" since around the Oregon football office everyone called him "Will." This is a really creative defense that others should take note of.
Prosecutor: Did you ever supply Tyler Hamilton with performance-enhancing drugs?
Lance Armstrong: No.
(Later, during the perjury trial, after being confronted with the evidence)
Armstrong: I didn't understand the question. We always called him Ty.
I'm not buying any of that. And I say that as someone who actually would like all of it to be true.
It's not just that the writer is anonymous, that he likely has an axe to grind against Oregon, or that his own anonymous sources are relying on second-hand information. It's also that the whole story reads like a West Coast re-make of the Ohio State scandal. Instead of tattoos, the players are supposedly trading their jerseys for weed. And in both cases the memorabilia is being hawked on eBay. What a coincidence. In addition, the writer manages to insinuate that the recent Cliff Harris and Kiko Alonso incidents may be part of some grand unified theory of Duck malfeasance. (Even Phil Knight makes a cameo.) There's a far simpler and more likely explanation: Chip Kelly has consistently compromised standards of player conduct in order to win. We've seen it time and again at Oregon. The Jeremiah Masoli and LaGarrette Blount cases come to mind first, but frankly it's hard to hard to recall all of the relevant incidents over the last few years.
All of that said, I read the recent Yahoo! article in its entirety, and it's damning. I also think that some of the big boys of college football - namely the Longhorns - want Oregon to go down. Can't have out-of-staters poaching the best players from Texas. At this point I can't see Chip Kelly staying at Oregon over the long term. That said, the NCAA moves slowly, so the question is: Can Kelly survive until the end of the 2011 season? I think the answer is still yes, unless there's another bombshell between now and the start of the season. Yahoo! was the leader not only on the Willie Lyles story but also on Reggie Bush, and my guess is that their investigation is moving on from Oregon. I heard an interview yesterday with their investigative reporter, and he sounded like he now has his sights set on the other schools with which Lyles did business. My guess is that LSU and Patrick Peterson will come under the microscope. Perhaps they should rename this year's Oregon-LSU game the Willie Lyles Bowl and award $25,000 to the winner.
I have to say that my favorite anecdote to emerge in the last couple of days is from Oregonian columnist John Canzano. Canzano called Chip Kelly shortly after the Lyles scandal first began to break and asked Kelly about his relationship with Willie Lyles. Kelly said he didn't know who Lyles was. That same day, the original Yahoo! story was published, and Canzano called Kelly back and confronted him about the lie. Kelly said that he had been confused by the name "Willie Lyles" since around the Oregon football office everyone called him "Will." This is a really creative defense that others should take note of.
Prosecutor: Did you ever supply Tyler Hamilton with performance-enhancing drugs?
Lance Armstrong: No.
(Later, during the perjury trial, after being confronted with the evidence)
Armstrong: I didn't understand the question. We always called him Ty.
It's not just that the writer is anonymous, that he likely has an axe to grind against Oregon, or that his own anonymous sources are relying on second-hand information. It's also that the whole story reads like a West Coast re-make of the Ohio State scandal. Instead of tattoos, the players are supposedly trading their jerseys for weed. And in both cases the memorabilia is being hawked on eBay. What a coincidence. In addition, the writer manages to insinuate that the recent Cliff Harris and Kiko Alonso incidents may be part of some grand unified theory of Duck malfeasance. (Even Phil Knight makes a cameo.) There's a far simpler and more likely explanation: Chip Kelly has consistently compromised standards of player conduct in order to win. We've seen it time and again at Oregon. The Jeremiah Masoli and LaGarrette Blount cases come to mind first, but frankly it's hard to hard to recall all of the relevant incidents over the last few years.
All of that said, I read the recent Yahoo! article in its entirety, and it's damning. I also think that some of the big boys of college football - namely the Longhorns - want Oregon to go down. Can't have out-of-staters poaching the best players from Texas. At this point I can't see Chip Kelly staying at Oregon over the long term. That said, the NCAA moves slowly, so the question is: Can Kelly survive until the end of the 2011 season? I think the answer is still yes, unless there's another bombshell between now and the start of the season. Yahoo! was the leader not only on the Willie Lyles story but also on Reggie Bush, and my guess is that their investigation is moving on from Oregon. I heard an interview yesterday with their investigative reporter, and he sounded like he now has his sights set on the other schools with which Lyles did business. My guess is that LSU and Patrick Peterson will come under the microscope. Perhaps they should rename this year's Oregon-LSU game the Willie Lyles Bowl and award $25,000 to the winner.
I have to say that my favorite anecdote to emerge in the last couple of days is from Oregonian columnist John Canzano. Canzano called Chip Kelly shortly after the Lyles scandal first began to break and asked Kelly about his relationship with Willie Lyles. Kelly said he didn't know who Lyles was. That same day, the original Yahoo! story was published, and Canzano called Kelly back and confronted him about the lie. Kelly said that he had been confused by the name "Willie Lyles" since around the Oregon football office everyone called him "Will." This is a really creative defense that others should take note of.
Prosecutor: Did you ever supply Tyler Hamilton with performance-enhancing drugs?
Lance Armstrong: No.
(Later, during the perjury trial, after being confronted with the evidence)
Armstrong: I didn't understand the question. We always called him Ty.
07-03-2011, 01:27 PM
Seems to me the eBay link is a serious indication there's something going on.
Of course we'd be seriously naive to believe that somehow Ohio State or Oregon is alone in all this. I bet most if not all schools in the Pac-12 have some interesting goings-on.
Of course we'd be seriously naive to believe that somehow Ohio State or Oregon is alone in all this. I bet most if not all schools in the Pac-12 have some interesting goings-on.
Seems to me the eBay link is a serious indication there's something going on.
Of course we'd be seriously naive to believe that somehow Ohio State or Oregon is alone in all this. I bet most if not all schools in the Pac-12 have some interesting goings-on.
Of course we'd be seriously naive to believe that somehow Ohio State or Oregon is alone in all this. I bet most if not all schools in the Pac-12 have some interesting goings-on.
07-03-2011, 02:28 PM
But the article doesn't even include a broken link to an eBay page. Just some red text that says [Note: Ebay link removed at user's request].
Type "Ebay link removed at user's request" into Google, and guess how many results you get? One. Sure enough, it's the link to angrybeavs.com. So it doesn't appear that eBay even uses that phrase.
It looks to me like this is a complete fabrication.
Type "Ebay link removed at user's request" into Google, and guess how many results you get? One. Sure enough, it's the link to angrybeavs.com. So it doesn't appear that eBay even uses that phrase.
It looks to me like this is a complete fabrication.
But the article doesn't even include a broken link to an eBay page. Just some red text that says [Note: Ebay link removed at user's request].
Type "Ebay link removed at user's request" into Google, and guess how many results you get? One. Sure enough, it's the link to angrybeavs.com. So it doesn't appear that eBay even uses that phrase.
It looks to me like this is a complete fabrication.
Type "Ebay link removed at user's request" into Google, and guess how many results you get? One. Sure enough, it's the link to angrybeavs.com. So it doesn't appear that eBay even uses that phrase.
It looks to me like this is a complete fabrication.
07-03-2011, 02:57 PM
This is the link that was there last night:
http://shop.ebay.com/webfoot1509/m.html?...ksid=p3686
It could still be a fabrication, but the part about removing the link is not.
http://shop.ebay.com/webfoot1509/m.html?...ksid=p3686
It could still be a fabrication, but the part about removing the link is not.
This is the link that was there last night:
http://shop.ebay.com/webfoot1509/m.html?...ksid=p3686
It could still be a fabrication, but the part about removing the link is not.
http://shop.ebay.com/webfoot1509/m.html?...ksid=p3686
It could still be a fabrication, but the part about removing the link is not.
07-03-2011, 03:44 PM
Thanks, Yvonne. Overall I am still skeptical, but somewhat less so after seeing the link.
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