[newguy]

the Condoms have a new president.
let's see if she does anything about the water polo team.....

https://news.usc.edu/155328/carol-l-folt...president/

also, the Washington Post is reporting that "U$C was the most frequent target" in the admissions/academic fraud case.
and i must say......i'm shocked!!!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/edu...08097111ce

[newguy]

the Condoms have a new president.
let's see if she does anything about the water polo team.....

https://news.usc.edu/155328/carol-l-folt...president/

also, the Washington Post is reporting that "U$C was the most frequent target" in the admissions/academic fraud case.
and i must say......i'm shocked!!!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/edu...08097111ce

[BostonCard]

She brings a valuable skillset to USC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Folt

Under Chancellor Folt's direction, UNC spent approximately 18 million dollars[9] defending itself from NCAA sanctions for prolonged and widespread fraud within academic and athletics departments, the details of which were outlined in Wainstein Report.[10] The Report summarizes the findings of an independent investigation conducted by former federal prosecutor Kenneth Wainstein. It describes abuses spanning over 18 years (during the tenures of Chancellor Michael Hooker, Chancellor James Moeser, Chancellor Holden Thorp), including "no-show" classes that had little to no faculty oversight. Approximately half of the enrollees in these "no-show" classes were athletes.

BC

[BostonCard]

She brings a valuable skillset to USC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Folt

Under Chancellor Folt's direction, UNC spent approximately 18 million dollars[9] defending itself from NCAA sanctions for prolonged and widespread fraud within academic and athletics departments, the details of which were outlined in Wainstein Report.[10] The Report summarizes the findings of an independent investigation conducted by former federal prosecutor Kenneth Wainstein. It describes abuses spanning over 18 years (during the tenures of Chancellor Michael Hooker, Chancellor James Moeser, Chancellor Holden Thorp), including "no-show" classes that had little to no faculty oversight. Approximately half of the enrollees in these "no-show" classes were athletes.

BC

[2006alum]

Interesting that they would pick the former chancellor of a school that is, itself, deeply entwined with recruiting and fraud scandals of its own... Apparently she came in after the activities in question had taken place and was involved in overseeing reforms. Nevertheless...

[2006alum]

Interesting that they would pick the former chancellor of a school that is, itself, deeply entwined with recruiting and fraud scandals of its own... Apparently she came in after the activities in question had taken place and was involved in overseeing reforms. Nevertheless...

[oldalum]

seems like they considered it a plus on the resume:

Folt has deep experience leading a university through challenging times. When she became chancellor of UNC in 2013, she inherited a university grappling with highly publicized past academic and athletic irregularities. One of her first actions was co-commissioning an independent investigation to fully understand the scope of the issue, and she oversaw the implementation of more than 70 reforms — designed together with the faculty — to ensure the highest standards of accountability and integrity across the university.

[oldalum]

seems like they considered it a plus on the resume:

Folt has deep experience leading a university through challenging times. When she became chancellor of UNC in 2013, she inherited a university grappling with highly publicized past academic and athletic irregularities. One of her first actions was co-commissioning an independent investigation to fully understand the scope of the issue, and she oversaw the implementation of more than 70 reforms — designed together with the faculty — to ensure the highest standards of accountability and integrity across the university.

[OutsiderFan]

seems like they considered it a plus on the resume:

Folt has deep experience leading a university through challenging times. When she became chancellor of UNC in 2013, she inherited a university grappling with highly publicized past academic and athletic irregularities. One of her first actions was co-commissioning an independent investigation to fully understand the scope of the issue, and she oversaw the implementation of more than 70 reforms — designed together with the faculty — to ensure the highest standards of accountability and integrity across the university.

How the hell did she even make the short list, let alone get hired? Does the University of Scandal and Corruption want to change its culture?  And more importantly, can one person do this? I mean she is going to have to remove a lot of people, and step on many toes to make that happen it would seem.

[OutsiderFan]

seems like they considered it a plus on the resume:

Folt has deep experience leading a university through challenging times. When she became chancellor of UNC in 2013, she inherited a university grappling with highly publicized past academic and athletic irregularities. One of her first actions was co-commissioning an independent investigation to fully understand the scope of the issue, and she oversaw the implementation of more than 70 reforms — designed together with the faculty — to ensure the highest standards of accountability and integrity across the university.

How the hell did she even make the short list, let alone get hired? Does the University of Scandal and Corruption want to change its culture?  And more importantly, can one person do this? I mean she is going to have to remove a lot of people, and step on many toes to make that happen it would seem.

[martyup]

I hope she negotiated a brobdingnagian salary, including a chauffeured armored limo and an armed bodygaurd to get to and from the ghetto neighborhood surrounding the campus.  I'm not sure that her life experiences include dealing with alumni that come from generations of spoiled self-important megalomaniacs that will do anything to make sure that their legacy offspring become Trojans.

[martyup]

I hope she negotiated a brobdingnagian salary, including a chauffeured armored limo and an armed bodygaurd to get to and from the ghetto neighborhood surrounding the campus.  I'm not sure that her life experiences include dealing with alumni that come from generations of spoiled self-important megalomaniacs that will do anything to make sure that their legacy offspring become Trojans.

[BobK]

Is that comment on armored limo necessary? I think not

[BobK]

Is that comment on armored limo necessary? I think not

[2006alum]

Is that comment on armored limo necessary?   I think not

+1. I think we'd all be better if the term "ghetto" were retired from modern parlance.

[2006alum]

Is that comment on armored limo necessary?   I think not

+1. I think we'd all be better if the term "ghetto" were retired from modern parlance.

[martyup]

Is that comment on armored limo necessary?   I think not

I attended law school at USC.  During my 3 years, I had a truck stolen, two separate incidents with my car window smashed and the radio stolen, a classmate was robbed at gun point, and another classmate had the back window shot out while they were driving.  The President of the university is a high profile person that will draw a lot of attention.   So, yeah, I would recommend an armored limo.

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Is that comment on armored limo necessary?   I think not

+1. I think we'd all be better if the term "ghetto" were retired from modern parlance.

Yes, we should say dangerous neighborhood.

[martyup]

Is that comment on armored limo necessary?   I think not

I attended law school at USC.  During my 3 years, I had a truck stolen, two separate incidents with my car window smashed and the radio stolen, a classmate was robbed at gun point, and another classmate had the back window shot out while they were driving.  The President of the university is a high profile person that will draw a lot of attention.   So, yeah, I would recommend an armored limo.

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Is that comment on armored limo necessary?   I think not

+1. I think we'd all be better if the term "ghetto" were retired from modern parlance.

Yes, we should say dangerous neighborhood.

[Austroturf]

She brings a valuable skillset to USC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Folt

Under Chancellor Folt's direction, UNC spent approximately 18 million dollars[9] defending itself from NCAA sanctions for prolonged and widespread fraud within academic and athletics departments, the details of which were outlined in Wainstein Report.[10] The Report summarizes the findings of an independent investigation conducted by former federal prosecutor Kenneth Wainstein. It describes abuses spanning over 18 years (during the tenures of Chancellor Michael Hooker, Chancellor James Moeser, Chancellor Holden Thorp), including "no-show" classes that had little to no faculty oversight. Approximately half of the enrollees in these "no-show" classes were athletes.

BC

Wow.  I guess they could use those skills.

[Austroturf]

She brings a valuable skillset to USC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Folt

Under Chancellor Folt's direction, UNC spent approximately 18 million dollars[9] defending itself from NCAA sanctions for prolonged and widespread fraud within academic and athletics departments, the details of which were outlined in Wainstein Report.[10] The Report summarizes the findings of an independent investigation conducted by former federal prosecutor Kenneth Wainstein. It describes abuses spanning over 18 years (during the tenures of Chancellor Michael Hooker, Chancellor James Moeser, Chancellor Holden Thorp), including "no-show" classes that had little to no faculty oversight. Approximately half of the enrollees in these "no-show" classes were athletes.

BC

Wow.  I guess they could use those skills.

[TreeWeird]

How the hell did she even make the short list, let alone get hired?

Because UNC got off with no NCAA sanctions?

"Sankey added that his [NCAA] panel was “troubled by the university’s [i.e., UNC's] shifting positions about whether academic fraud occurred on its campus' "

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/13/sport...-ncaa.html

Yep.  Sounds like UNC was a model of integrity throughout the process.  

[TreeWeird]

How the hell did she even make the short list, let alone get hired?

Because UNC got off with no NCAA sanctions?

"Sankey added that his [NCAA] panel was “troubled by the university’s [i.e., UNC's] shifting positions about whether academic fraud occurred on its campus' "

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/13/sport...-ncaa.html

Yep.  Sounds like UNC was a model of integrity throughout the process.  

[newguy]

How the hell did she even make the short list, let alone get hired?

Because UNC got off with no NCAA sanctions?

"Sankey added that his [NCAA] panel was “troubled by the university’s [i.e., UNC's] shifting positions about whether academic fraud occurred on its campus' "

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/13/sport...-ncaa.html

Yep.  Sounds like UNC was a model of integrity throughout the process.  

as i'm sure U$C will be throughout this process.

[newguy]

How the hell did she even make the short list, let alone get hired?

Because UNC got off with no NCAA sanctions?

"Sankey added that his [NCAA] panel was “troubled by the university’s [i.e., UNC's] shifting positions about whether academic fraud occurred on its campus' "

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/13/sport...-ncaa.html

Yep.  Sounds like UNC was a model of integrity throughout the process.  

as i'm sure U$C will be throughout this process.

[cardcrimson]

+1. I think we'd all be better if the term "ghetto" were retired from modern parlance.

Why?

From my good friend Merriam Webster:

"The etymology of Italian ghetto was formerly the subject of much speculation, but today there is little doubt that the word comes from the Italian dialect form ghèto, meaning “foundry.” A foundry for cannons was once located on an island that forms part of Venice, where in 1516 the Venetians restricted Jewish residence. The word ghèto became the name for the area and was borrowed into standard Italian as ghetto, with the meaning of “section of a city where Jews are forced to live.” From there it passed into most other European languages. Since the late 19th century, the meaning of ghetto has been extended to crowded urban districts where other ethnic or racial groups have been confined by poverty or prejudice."

[cardcrimson]

+1. I think we'd all be better if the term "ghetto" were retired from modern parlance.

Why?

From my good friend Merriam Webster:

"The etymology of Italian ghetto was formerly the subject of much speculation, but today there is little doubt that the word comes from the Italian dialect form ghèto, meaning “foundry.” A foundry for cannons was once located on an island that forms part of Venice, where in 1516 the Venetians restricted Jewish residence. The word ghèto became the name for the area and was borrowed into standard Italian as ghetto, with the meaning of “section of a city where Jews are forced to live.” From there it passed into most other European languages. Since the late 19th century, the meaning of ghetto has been extended to crowded urban districts where other ethnic or racial groups have been confined by poverty or prejudice."

[2006alum]

+1. I think we'd all be better if the term "ghetto" were retired from modern parlance.

Why?

From my good friend Merriam Webster:

"The etymology of Italian ghetto was formerly the subject of much speculation, but today there is little doubt that the word comes from the Italian dialect form ghèto, meaning “foundry.” A foundry for cannons was once located on an island that forms part of Venice, where in 1516 the Venetians restricted Jewish residence. The word ghèto became the name for the area and was borrowed into standard Italian as ghetto, with the meaning of “section of a city where Jews are forced to live.” From there it passed into most other European languages. Since the late 19th century, the meaning of ghetto has been extended to crowded urban districts where other ethnic or racial groups have been confined by poverty or prejudice."

Unless you're gaslighting me, you answered your own question. Not to mention, the Merriam Webster I consulted online defines it as such:

Definition of ghetto
 (Entry 1 of 2)
1: a quarter of a city in which Jews were formerly required to live
2: a quarter of a city in which members of a minority group live especially because of social, legal, or economic pressure
3a: an isolated groupa geriatric ghetto
b: a situation that resembles a ghetto especially in conferring inferior status or limiting opportunity the pink-collar ghetto

Here's a few more trenchant takes on the term:

NPR: 

This current use of "ghetto" is also curiously mismatched to the history of ghettos. Venice's ghettos were home to prosperous merchants. Warsaw's ghettos housed resistance fighters. Harlem was a ghetto when it hosted a transformative literary and cultural movement. Chicago's Bronzeville was home to the black professional class — ghettos, by removing citizens' freedom to live where they want, force schoolteachers next to drug dealers, working families next to whorehouses.

But slang references to "ghetto culture" don't refer to any of those legacies, or to the perseverance it takes to survive under such limitations. ("You surviving in the ghetto," raps Busta Rhymes, "you can make it anywhere.") Instead, they reduce ghetto life to poverty and poor behavior. Acting ghetto. Being ghetto. Dressing ghetto.

The Washington Post, reviewing Mitchell Duneier's Ghetto: 

Ultimately, Duneier’s vision is bleak. His book describes the ghetto as a historical process rooted in racial discrimination, spatial segregation and political powerlessness. Absent a genuine commitment among the American public to helping the black poor, that process continues.

Te-Nehisi Coates: 

Ghetto, in its most unironic usage, is a word for people you don't know. It's word that allows you to erase individuals and create boxes. 

With respect, I think its original invocation in this thread was very much in line with Coates's definition: as something other and undesirable, to be shunned and avoided.

[2006alum]

+1. I think we'd all be better if the term "ghetto" were retired from modern parlance.

Why?

From my good friend Merriam Webster:

"The etymology of Italian ghetto was formerly the subject of much speculation, but today there is little doubt that the word comes from the Italian dialect form ghèto, meaning “foundry.” A foundry for cannons was once located on an island that forms part of Venice, where in 1516 the Venetians restricted Jewish residence. The word ghèto became the name for the area and was borrowed into standard Italian as ghetto, with the meaning of “section of a city where Jews are forced to live.” From there it passed into most other European languages. Since the late 19th century, the meaning of ghetto has been extended to crowded urban districts where other ethnic or racial groups have been confined by poverty or prejudice."

Unless you're gaslighting me, you answered your own question. Not to mention, the Merriam Webster I consulted online defines it as such:

Definition of ghetto
 (Entry 1 of 2)
1: a quarter of a city in which Jews were formerly required to live
2: a quarter of a city in which members of a minority group live especially because of social, legal, or economic pressure
3a: an isolated groupa geriatric ghetto
b: a situation that resembles a ghetto especially in conferring inferior status or limiting opportunity the pink-collar ghetto

Here's a few more trenchant takes on the term:

NPR: 

This current use of "ghetto" is also curiously mismatched to the history of ghettos. Venice's ghettos were home to prosperous merchants. Warsaw's ghettos housed resistance fighters. Harlem was a ghetto when it hosted a transformative literary and cultural movement. Chicago's Bronzeville was home to the black professional class — ghettos, by removing citizens' freedom to live where they want, force schoolteachers next to drug dealers, working families next to whorehouses.

But slang references to "ghetto culture" don't refer to any of those legacies, or to the perseverance it takes to survive under such limitations. ("You surviving in the ghetto," raps Busta Rhymes, "you can make it anywhere.") Instead, they reduce ghetto life to poverty and poor behavior. Acting ghetto. Being ghetto. Dressing ghetto.

The Washington Post, reviewing Mitchell Duneier's Ghetto: 

Ultimately, Duneier’s vision is bleak. His book describes the ghetto as a historical process rooted in racial discrimination, spatial segregation and political powerlessness. Absent a genuine commitment among the American public to helping the black poor, that process continues.

Te-Nehisi Coates: 

Ghetto, in its most unironic usage, is a word for people you don't know. It's word that allows you to erase individuals and create boxes. 

With respect, I think its original invocation in this thread was very much in line with Coates's definition: as something other and undesirable, to be shunned and avoided.

[martyup]

With respect, I think its original invocation in this thread was very much in line with Coates's definition: as something other and undesirable, to be shunned and avoided.

Well, I originally used the term to describe the neighborhoods surrounding USC.  I used it because it was in line with my personal experience and observations in those neighborhoods based on my understanding of the term.  In other words, those neighborhoods are run down and have high crime rates.  There was nothing racial in my mind when I used the term "ghetto."  I have been to similar neighborhoods that are primarily inhabited by caucasians, and I would call them "ghettos" as well.  Changing the word won't change the neighborhood.

And, yes, I would recommend avoiding south central LA no matter what may be your race or ethnicity.

[martyup]

With respect, I think its original invocation in this thread was very much in line with Coates's definition: as something other and undesirable, to be shunned and avoided.

Well, I originally used the term to describe the neighborhoods surrounding USC.  I used it because it was in line with my personal experience and observations in those neighborhoods based on my understanding of the term.  In other words, those neighborhoods are run down and have high crime rates.  There was nothing racial in my mind when I used the term "ghetto."  I have been to similar neighborhoods that are primarily inhabited by caucasians, and I would call them "ghettos" as well.  Changing the word won't change the neighborhood.

And, yes, I would recommend avoiding south central LA no matter what may be your race or ethnicity.

[2006alum]

With respect, I think its original invocation in this thread was very much in line with Coates's definition: as something other and undesirable, to be shunned and avoided.

Well, I originally used the term to describe the neighborhoods surrounding USC.  I used it because it was in line with my personal experience and observations in those neighborhoods based on my understanding of the term.  In other words, those neighborhoods are run down and have high crime rates.  There was nothing racial in my mind when I used the term "ghetto."  I have been to similar neighborhoods that are primarily inhabited by caucasians, and I would call them "ghettos" as well.  Changing the word won't change the neighborhood.

Well, we can agree to disagree, but I think the term today is used almost exclusively to refer to high-poverty, high-crime urban neighborhoods that are predominantly black (i.e., the neighborhoods surrounding USC). At least, that's always how I've heard it used. And I'm not aware of any high-crime, high-poverty urban caucasian neighborhoods in the United States, nor ones commonly referred to as "ghettos." Indeed, per the Merriam Webster note that "the meaning of ghetto has been extended to crowded urban districts where other ethnic or racial groups have been confined by poverty or prejudice," I'm not even sure how you can have a majority white "ghetto" in the United States insofar as whites can't, by definition, be an "other ethnic or racial group . . . confined by . . . prejudice," but I'd be curious for examples.

[2006alum]

With respect, I think its original invocation in this thread was very much in line with Coates's definition: as something other and undesirable, to be shunned and avoided.

Well, I originally used the term to describe the neighborhoods surrounding USC.  I used it because it was in line with my personal experience and observations in those neighborhoods based on my understanding of the term.  In other words, those neighborhoods are run down and have high crime rates.  There was nothing racial in my mind when I used the term "ghetto."  I have been to similar neighborhoods that are primarily inhabited by caucasians, and I would call them "ghettos" as well.  Changing the word won't change the neighborhood.

Well, we can agree to disagree, but I think the term today is used almost exclusively to refer to high-poverty, high-crime urban neighborhoods that are predominantly black (i.e., the neighborhoods surrounding USC). At least, that's always how I've heard it used. And I'm not aware of any high-crime, high-poverty urban caucasian neighborhoods in the United States, nor ones commonly referred to as "ghettos." Indeed, per the Merriam Webster note that "the meaning of ghetto has been extended to crowded urban districts where other ethnic or racial groups have been confined by poverty or prejudice," I'm not even sure how you can have a majority white "ghetto" in the United States insofar as whites can't, by definition, be an "other ethnic or racial group . . . confined by . . . prejudice," but I'd be curious for examples.

[martyup]

Well, Compton is now 64% hispanic and is infested with MS13 gang members.  This gang is increasingly targeting African Americans in Compton and other areas of the Los Angeles basin.  Check out this news story from 2013.  It is worse today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tapiD6RAIKo

I'm sure you have heard the terms "white trash" and "trailer park trash."  With the epidemic of meth ravaging many rural areas of the US, there are plenty of white ghettos to be seen.  These are mostly in "fly over" country, so they don't get much attention from the national media.  As one writer put it:

There are so many predominately white small towns in America that are trashy, drug-infested, rundown, and seemingly hopeless; Hutchinson, Kansas comes to mind. The media really needs to start showing those areas so people who live in the "safe suburbs" can understand that it isn't just minorities but white people living in their own ghettos as well.

[martyup]

Well, Compton is now 64% hispanic and is infested with MS13 gang members.  This gang is increasingly targeting African Americans in Compton and other areas of the Los Angeles basin.  Check out this news story from 2013.  It is worse today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tapiD6RAIKo

I'm sure you have heard the terms "white trash" and "trailer park trash."  With the epidemic of meth ravaging many rural areas of the US, there are plenty of white ghettos to be seen.  These are mostly in "fly over" country, so they don't get much attention from the national media.  As one writer put it:

There are so many predominately white small towns in America that are trashy, drug-infested, rundown, and seemingly hopeless; Hutchinson, Kansas comes to mind. The media really needs to start showing those areas so people who live in the "safe suburbs" can understand that it isn't just minorities but white people living in their own ghettos as well.

[2006alum]

Well, Compton is now 64% hispanic and is infested with MS13 gang members. 

Sure, but Compton is actually quite a distance (10ish miles?) from USC, as you know, having gone there. And nothing about the definition of ghetto proffered earlier precludes it from also applying to Latinos.

I'm sure you have heard the terms "white trash" and "trailer park trash."  With the epidemic of meth ravaging many rural areas of the US, there are plenty of white ghettos to be seen.  These are mostly in "fly over" country, so they don't get much attention from the national media.  

I have, indeed - I grew up in a rural, predominantly white part of the country that has serious drug issues. But I would never call where I'm from a ghetto. And I have family that live in West Virginia (one of whom is, incidentally, a USC alum), and I've never, ever heard them use the term "ghetto" to describe the conditions of poor rural towns in West Virginia, and they use a lot of adjectives to describe the problems there. 

As one writer put it:

There are so many predominately white small towns in America that are trashy, drug-infested, rundown, and seemingly hopeless; Hutchinson, Kansas comes to mind. The media really needs to start showing those areas so people who live in the "safe suburbs" can understand that it isn't just minorities but white people living in their own ghettos as well.

I guess I just don't think a small town can be referred to as a ghetto, which as wikipedia describes it, is "a part of a city in which members of a minority group live, typically as a result of social, legal, or economic pressure."

Are there lots of poor white people in this country? Yeah, obviously. But I've never heard anyone in DC who drives out to do wilderness recreation in West Virginia for the weekend say they're "going out to the ghetto."

But that's enough from me on this topic. I'd encourage you to reconsider using that term going forward, at least as applied to the communities surrounding USC. Up to you if you want to start using it to refer to rural white "flyover" towns.

[2006alum]

Well, Compton is now 64% hispanic and is infested with MS13 gang members. 

Sure, but Compton is actually quite a distance (10ish miles?) from USC, as you know, having gone there. And nothing about the definition of ghetto proffered earlier precludes it from also applying to Latinos.

I'm sure you have heard the terms "white trash" and "trailer park trash."  With the epidemic of meth ravaging many rural areas of the US, there are plenty of white ghettos to be seen.  These are mostly in "fly over" country, so they don't get much attention from the national media.  

I have, indeed - I grew up in a rural, predominantly white part of the country that has serious drug issues. But I would never call where I'm from a ghetto. And I have family that live in West Virginia (one of whom is, incidentally, a USC alum), and I've never, ever heard them use the term "ghetto" to describe the conditions of poor rural towns in West Virginia, and they use a lot of adjectives to describe the problems there. 

As one writer put it:

There are so many predominately white small towns in America that are trashy, drug-infested, rundown, and seemingly hopeless; Hutchinson, Kansas comes to mind. The media really needs to start showing those areas so people who live in the "safe suburbs" can understand that it isn't just minorities but white people living in their own ghettos as well.

I guess I just don't think a small town can be referred to as a ghetto, which as wikipedia describes it, is "a part of a city in which members of a minority group live, typically as a result of social, legal, or economic pressure."

Are there lots of poor white people in this country? Yeah, obviously. But I've never heard anyone in DC who drives out to do wilderness recreation in West Virginia for the weekend say they're "going out to the ghetto."

But that's enough from me on this topic. I'd encourage you to reconsider using that term going forward, at least as applied to the communities surrounding USC. Up to you if you want to start using it to refer to rural white "flyover" towns.