[PAsportsfan]

The Round Table on University ave in Palo Alto just closed.

[PAsportsfan]

The Round Table on University ave in Palo Alto just closed.

[oldalum]

The one on Colorado Ave near Middlefield is still open

[oldalum]

The one on Colorado Ave near Middlefield is still open

[CompSci87]

It's still crazy what you can find online. Here is a 1976 edition of Yumyum. Louie's was in Town and Country Village back then, before my time in California.

https://www.kaleberg.com/yumyum/index.html

Reading a bit of this reminds me that I definitely had a hard copy of a later edition at one time. I think I was given it in 1981 along with a bunch of other documents as part of new CS grad student orientation. I just looked around a bit to see if I still have it, but I couldn't find it. I did find a lot of other fun stuff from that era, like my acceptance letter, a 1980 campus map, grade transcripts, department tech reports I had thought memorable, etc.

[CompSci87]

It's still crazy what you can find online. Here is a 1976 edition of Yumyum. Louie's was in Town and Country Village back then, before my time in California.

https://www.kaleberg.com/yumyum/index.html

Reading a bit of this reminds me that I definitely had a hard copy of a later edition at one time. I think I was given it in 1981 along with a bunch of other documents as part of new CS grad student orientation. I just looked around a bit to see if I still have it, but I couldn't find it. I did find a lot of other fun stuff from that era, like my acceptance letter, a 1980 campus map, grade transcripts, department tech reports I had thought memorable, etc.

[Langdude]

Applewood! That was great. I remember they would put whole cloves of garlic on the pizza, which would make eating the buttery crusts such a treat!

-m.

[Langdude]

Applewood! That was great. I remember they would put whole cloves of garlic on the pizza, which would make eating the buttery crusts such a treat!

-m.

[cctop]

It's still crazy what you can find online. Here is a 1976 edition of Yumyum. Louie's was in Town and Country Village back then, before my time in California.

https://www.kaleberg.com/yumyum/index.html

Thanks for that link Tim.  Looking over the San Francisco section, a lot of the places are surprisingly still open.

But what strikes me is how many French restaurants are listed, and many of them have closed.  French cuisine seems to have declined in popularity over the past 40 years.

[cctop]

It's still crazy what you can find online. Here is a 1976 edition of Yumyum. Louie's was in Town and Country Village back then, before my time in California.

https://www.kaleberg.com/yumyum/index.html

Thanks for that link Tim.  Looking over the San Francisco section, a lot of the places are surprisingly still open.

But what strikes me is how many French restaurants are listed, and many of them have closed.  French cuisine seems to have declined in popularity over the past 40 years.

[BostonCard]

Also, lots of Chinese restaurants have closed, throughout the US.

https://apple.news/AUDr2K8K9PDaD8dqv2L83oQ

BC

[BostonCard]

Also, lots of Chinese restaurants have closed, throughout the US.

https://apple.news/AUDr2K8K9PDaD8dqv2L83oQ

BC

[Leftcoast]

I enjoyed the walk-back-through-time nature of the Yum-Yum list, particularly the short, pithy reviews.

For instance, one reviewer gave the Dutch Goose a one word description - "Vulgar, DBA 75", which was followed quickly by a correction "WONDERFULLY vulgar, BLF 75".   The recently gone and lamented Oasis got an "Extremely vulgar" from the same DBA 75 but a sad note that the "ID algorithm is bug-free" from an underage and would-be drinker.  Or this droll but spot-on comment on San Jose's Original Joes, "Average and consistent, Pat-74".

There are several other gems embedded in the reviews.

[Leftcoast]

I enjoyed the walk-back-through-time nature of the Yum-Yum list, particularly the short, pithy reviews.

For instance, one reviewer gave the Dutch Goose a one word description - "Vulgar, DBA 75", which was followed quickly by a correction "WONDERFULLY vulgar, BLF 75".   The recently gone and lamented Oasis got an "Extremely vulgar" from the same DBA 75 but a sad note that the "ID algorithm is bug-free" from an underage and would-be drinker.  Or this droll but spot-on comment on San Jose's Original Joes, "Average and consistent, Pat-74".

There are several other gems embedded in the reviews.

[M T]

Thanks for chasing that down, CompSci87!

I saw reviews from 6 of my friends from that community.   This also can remind us that what you commit to writing can have a lot longer longevity than you imagine.   (Last time I looked for it, I found pre-1980 email from me on the Internet.)

Seeing the prices was interesting.  I eat at one of the restaurants mentioned maybe 10 to 20 times a year.  I've noticed that their prices have jumped about 20% recently.  Seeing that restaurant's prices from 44 years ago is revealing.

[M T]

Thanks for chasing that down, CompSci87!

I saw reviews from 6 of my friends from that community.   This also can remind us that what you commit to writing can have a lot longer longevity than you imagine.   (Last time I looked for it, I found pre-1980 email from me on the Internet.)

Seeing the prices was interesting.  I eat at one of the restaurants mentioned maybe 10 to 20 times a year.  I've noticed that their prices have jumped about 20% recently.  Seeing that restaurant's prices from 44 years ago is revealing.

[JohnR34231]

The Round Table on University ave in Palo Alto just closed.

I used to love the one in Los Altos.
Haven't been since it changed owners a number of years ago. Doubt if it is still as good.

[JohnR34231]

The Round Table on University ave in Palo Alto just closed.

I used to love the one in Los Altos.
Haven't been since it changed owners a number of years ago. Doubt if it is still as good.

[Mick]

Following the demise of the original Applewood Pizza in Menlo Park 1983-2018, the original Round Table Pizza location closed in Menlo Park in 2019 after 60 years.  

For a bit of heresy, I have yet to find a great pizza in NYC or NY state for that matter.  And I can't abide Chicago-style pizza, or it's third rate cousin, Detroit pizza.  I do find it the height of irony that both Little Caesar and Domino's -- the most inedible pizza in the land -- got their start in Detroit (LC is HQ'd in Detroit, Domino's is in Ann Arbor).

I would take Round Table Pizza in general and Applewood Pizza in particular over any pizza I've had in any city.  Sure do miss Applewood.

[Mick]

Following the demise of the original Applewood Pizza in Menlo Park 1983-2018, the original Round Table Pizza location closed in Menlo Park in 2019 after 60 years.  

For a bit of heresy, I have yet to find a great pizza in NYC or NY state for that matter.  And I can't abide Chicago-style pizza, or it's third rate cousin, Detroit pizza.  I do find it the height of irony that both Little Caesar and Domino's -- the most inedible pizza in the land -- got their start in Detroit (LC is HQ'd in Detroit, Domino's is in Ann Arbor).

I would take Round Table Pizza in general and Applewood Pizza in particular over any pizza I've had in any city.  Sure do miss Applewood.

[JohnR34231]

Following the demise of the original Applewood Pizza in Menlo Park 1983-2018, the original Round Table Pizza location closed in Menlo Park in 2019 after 60 years.  

For a bit of heresy, I have yet to find a great pizza in NYC or NY state for that matter.  And I can't abide Chicago-style pizza, or it's third rate cousin, Detroit pizza.  I do find it the height of irony that both Little Caesar and Domino's -- the most inedible pizza in the land -- got their start in Detroit (LC is HQ'd in Detroit, Domino's is in Ann Arbor).

I would take Round Table Pizza in general and Applewood Pizza in particular over any pizza I've had in any city.  Sure do miss Applewood.

Had great pizza in Miami once. I think the owner was a transplanted New Yorker.

[JohnR34231]

Following the demise of the original Applewood Pizza in Menlo Park 1983-2018, the original Round Table Pizza location closed in Menlo Park in 2019 after 60 years.  

For a bit of heresy, I have yet to find a great pizza in NYC or NY state for that matter.  And I can't abide Chicago-style pizza, or it's third rate cousin, Detroit pizza.  I do find it the height of irony that both Little Caesar and Domino's -- the most inedible pizza in the land -- got their start in Detroit (LC is HQ'd in Detroit, Domino's is in Ann Arbor).

I would take Round Table Pizza in general and Applewood Pizza in particular over any pizza I've had in any city.  Sure do miss Applewood.

Had great pizza in Miami once. I think the owner was a transplanted New Yorker.

[cctop]

I would take Round Table Pizza in general and Applewood Pizza in particular over any pizza I've had in any city.

I feel the same way about Lococo's Pizza in San Rafael (just in San Rafael, not in any of the other Bay Area  restaurants named Lococo's).

If you're driving through the North Bay, it's worth a stop.

But Lococo's is an expensive pizza.  Cheap NYC slices rank high for value.

[cctop]

I would take Round Table Pizza in general and Applewood Pizza in particular over any pizza I've had in any city.

I feel the same way about Lococo's Pizza in San Rafael (just in San Rafael, not in any of the other Bay Area  restaurants named Lococo's).

If you're driving through the North Bay, it's worth a stop.

But Lococo's is an expensive pizza.  Cheap NYC slices rank high for value.

[Mick]

I would take Round Table Pizza in general and Applewood Pizza in particular over any pizza I've had in any city.

I feel the same way about Lococo's Pizza in San Rafael (just in San Rafael, not in any of the other Bay Area  restaurants named Lococo's).

If you're driving through the North Bay, it's worth a stop.

But Lococo's is an expensive pizza.  Cheap NYC slices rank high for value.

For years, the House of Pizza in downtown San Jose was all the rage. Like the Midwest, they put the cheese OVER the toppings. Ugh.

[Mick]

I would take Round Table Pizza in general and Applewood Pizza in particular over any pizza I've had in any city.

I feel the same way about Lococo's Pizza in San Rafael (just in San Rafael, not in any of the other Bay Area  restaurants named Lococo's).

If you're driving through the North Bay, it's worth a stop.

But Lococo's is an expensive pizza.  Cheap NYC slices rank high for value.

For years, the House of Pizza in downtown San Jose was all the rage. Like the Midwest, they put the cheese OVER the toppings. Ugh.

[martyup]

It's still crazy what you can find online. Here is a 1976 edition of Yumyum. Louie's was in Town and Country Village back then, before my time in California.

https://www.kaleberg.com/yumyum/index.html

Thanks for that link Tim.  Looking over the San Francisco section, a lot of the places are surprisingly still open.

But what strikes me is how many French restaurants are listed, and many of them have closed.  French cuisine seems to have declined in popularity over the past 40 years.

The popularity of french cuisine was certainly enhanced by Julia Child and her best selling book on cooking it. Perhaps that influence has run its course.

[martyup]

It's still crazy what you can find online. Here is a 1976 edition of Yumyum. Louie's was in Town and Country Village back then, before my time in California.

https://www.kaleberg.com/yumyum/index.html

Thanks for that link Tim.  Looking over the San Francisco section, a lot of the places are surprisingly still open.

But what strikes me is how many French restaurants are listed, and many of them have closed.  French cuisine seems to have declined in popularity over the past 40 years.

The popularity of french cuisine was certainly enhanced by Julia Child and her best selling book on cooking it. Perhaps that influence has run its course.

[Mick]

It's still crazy what you can find online. Here is a 1976 edition of Yumyum. Louie's was in Town and Country Village back then, before my time in California.

https://www.kaleberg.com/yumyum/index.html

Thanks for that link Tim.  Looking over the San Francisco section, a lot of the places are surprisingly still open.

But what strikes me is how many French restaurants are listed, and many of them have closed.  French cuisine seems to have declined in popularity over the past 40 years.

The popularity of french cuisine was certainly enhanced by Julia Child and her best selling book on cooking it.  Perhaps that influence has run its course.

Just slightly OT, but Mrs. Mick and I watched Amazon Prime's "The Final Table" which includes chefs from a variety of countries and Michelin three-star restaurants.  If you like cooking and reality TV, you'd like the show.  It inspired me to research American restaurants that have earned three Michelin stars.  There are fourteen of those restaurants and half are in Northern California, including:

Atelier Crenn, San Francisco (only three star with female chef in USA)
Benu, San Francisco
The French Laundry, Yountville
Manresa, Los Gatos
Quince, San Francisco
The Restaurant at Meadowood, St. Helena
SingleThread, Healdsburg

And here's a list of California-based restaurants with Michelin stars:

https://www.eater.com/2019/6/3/18651536/...california

[Mick]

It's still crazy what you can find online. Here is a 1976 edition of Yumyum. Louie's was in Town and Country Village back then, before my time in California.

https://www.kaleberg.com/yumyum/index.html

Thanks for that link Tim.  Looking over the San Francisco section, a lot of the places are surprisingly still open.

But what strikes me is how many French restaurants are listed, and many of them have closed.  French cuisine seems to have declined in popularity over the past 40 years.

The popularity of french cuisine was certainly enhanced by Julia Child and her best selling book on cooking it.  Perhaps that influence has run its course.

Just slightly OT, but Mrs. Mick and I watched Amazon Prime's "The Final Table" which includes chefs from a variety of countries and Michelin three-star restaurants.  If you like cooking and reality TV, you'd like the show.  It inspired me to research American restaurants that have earned three Michelin stars.  There are fourteen of those restaurants and half are in Northern California, including:

Atelier Crenn, San Francisco (only three star with female chef in USA)
Benu, San Francisco
The French Laundry, Yountville
Manresa, Los Gatos
Quince, San Francisco
The Restaurant at Meadowood, St. Helena
SingleThread, Healdsburg

And here's a list of California-based restaurants with Michelin stars:

https://www.eater.com/2019/6/3/18651536/...california

[BobK]

I’m lucky to live near two great pizza places in Roseville

If you look at the start of this tread and the story it mentions a new Tapas restaurant in the Town and Country. I went Friday and it was excellent

[BobK]

I’m lucky to live near two great pizza places in Roseville

If you look at the start of this tread and the story it mentions a new Tapas restaurant in the Town and Country. I went Friday and it was excellent

[Leftcoast]

Slate article discussing how Yumyum and SF-Lovers were instrumental in creating the internet we know today.  My own career intersected a number of the names in this short article.

https://slate.com/technology/2018/10/int...panet.html

[Leftcoast]

Slate article discussing how Yumyum and SF-Lovers were instrumental in creating the internet we know today.  My own career intersected a number of the names in this short article.

https://slate.com/technology/2018/10/int...panet.html

[CowboyIndian]

Barbarian here...but I just had a couple of pizzas at the new Zott's and they were pretty decent. I may have been drunk.

[CowboyIndian]

Barbarian here...but I just had a couple of pizzas at the new Zott's and they were pretty decent. I may have been drunk.

[chrisk]

What, am I the only one old enough on here to remember the YumYum list (maintained by Les Ernest on SAIL circa 1973)?  Louie's was well known to me (in Texas at the time) in the mid 70s because of that, but not my style of food.  That list was why I went to Kirk's when I first came to Silicon Valley in 79.

During the 80s and 90s, I used to eat the roast beef sandwich at the Cheese House most weekday lunches.   (That was an industrious family that ran it, led by a really sweet grandmother.  You always got the biggest sandwiches when she did your order.   I hope they are doing well.)   After 2007, it was still ok but not wonderful enough to make the trip.   It has been quite a while since I was there, but I am really sorry to see it go though.

Following the demise of the original Applewood Pizza in Menlo Park 1983-2018, the original Round Table Pizza location closed in Menlo Park in 2019 after 60 years.  (Regarding Su Hongs, the Menlo Park restaurant location closed some time back (and gone through several restaurants since then); the to-go location behind it changed hands a couple of years ago;  the spin-off restaurant in Palo Alto closed a couple of months ago and is now open again under a different name.)

Pretty sure the MP Round Table is still open...

The University Avenue Round Table closed recently.

[chrisk]

What, am I the only one old enough on here to remember the YumYum list (maintained by Les Ernest on SAIL circa 1973)?  Louie's was well known to me (in Texas at the time) in the mid 70s because of that, but not my style of food.  That list was why I went to Kirk's when I first came to Silicon Valley in 79.

During the 80s and 90s, I used to eat the roast beef sandwich at the Cheese House most weekday lunches.   (That was an industrious family that ran it, led by a really sweet grandmother.  You always got the biggest sandwiches when she did your order.   I hope they are doing well.)   After 2007, it was still ok but not wonderful enough to make the trip.   It has been quite a while since I was there, but I am really sorry to see it go though.

Following the demise of the original Applewood Pizza in Menlo Park 1983-2018, the original Round Table Pizza location closed in Menlo Park in 2019 after 60 years.  (Regarding Su Hongs, the Menlo Park restaurant location closed some time back (and gone through several restaurants since then); the to-go location behind it changed hands a couple of years ago;  the spin-off restaurant in Palo Alto closed a couple of months ago and is now open again under a different name.)

Pretty sure the MP Round Table is still open...

The University Avenue Round Table closed recently.

[Mick]

What, am I the only one old enough on here to remember the YumYum list (maintained by Les Ernest on SAIL circa 1973)?  Louie's was well known to me (in Texas at the time) in the mid 70s because of that, but not my style of food.  That list was why I went to Kirk's when I first came to Silicon Valley in 79.

During the 80s and 90s, I used to eat the roast beef sandwich at the Cheese House most weekday lunches.   (That was an industrious family that ran it, led by a really sweet grandmother.  You always got the biggest sandwiches when she did your order.   I hope they are doing well.)   After 2007, it was still ok but not wonderful enough to make the trip.   It has been quite a while since I was there, but I am really sorry to see it go though.

Following the demise of the original Applewood Pizza in Menlo Park 1983-2018, the original Round Table Pizza location closed in Menlo Park in 2019 after 60 years.  (Regarding Su Hongs, the Menlo Park restaurant location closed some time back (and gone through several restaurants since then); the to-go location behind it changed hands a couple of years ago;  the spin-off restaurant in Palo Alto closed a couple of months ago and is now open again under a different name.)

Pretty sure the MP Round Table is still open...

The University Avenue Round Table closed recently.

My first firm had a number of RTP franchisors as clients.  The gross profit margins on their pizza were amazing, something like 80%.  The franchisors told me that they basically couldn't go out of business, as long as they had a minimal number of customers.

[Mick]

What, am I the only one old enough on here to remember the YumYum list (maintained by Les Ernest on SAIL circa 1973)?  Louie's was well known to me (in Texas at the time) in the mid 70s because of that, but not my style of food.  That list was why I went to Kirk's when I first came to Silicon Valley in 79.

During the 80s and 90s, I used to eat the roast beef sandwich at the Cheese House most weekday lunches.   (That was an industrious family that ran it, led by a really sweet grandmother.  You always got the biggest sandwiches when she did your order.   I hope they are doing well.)   After 2007, it was still ok but not wonderful enough to make the trip.   It has been quite a while since I was there, but I am really sorry to see it go though.

Following the demise of the original Applewood Pizza in Menlo Park 1983-2018, the original Round Table Pizza location closed in Menlo Park in 2019 after 60 years.  (Regarding Su Hongs, the Menlo Park restaurant location closed some time back (and gone through several restaurants since then); the to-go location behind it changed hands a couple of years ago;  the spin-off restaurant in Palo Alto closed a couple of months ago and is now open again under a different name.)

Pretty sure the MP Round Table is still open...

The University Avenue Round Table closed recently.

My first firm had a number of RTP franchisors as clients.  The gross profit margins on their pizza were amazing, something like 80%.  The franchisors told me that they basically couldn't go out of business, as long as they had a minimal number of customers.