[terry]

The Capital One Cup (a.k.a. the "Anyone But Stanford Cup") has announced its new scoring system for the coming year. It seems that there are two major changes --

1. All NCAA sports count in the scoring now. Last year, the scoring system didn't include sports such as gymnastics, water polo, field hockey, men's volleyball, and several others. Apparently a number of schools were not happy with the exclusion of some sports last year. I believe the Capital One Cup now counts the same sports as the Directors' Cup. (Non-NCAA sports such as men's crew, synchronized swimming, etc., don't count in the Capital One Cup or the Directors' Cup.)

2. The three-tier scoring system has been reduced to two tiers. Last year, some sports counted at a base level (20 points for a championship), some counted at twice the base level (40 points for a championship), and some counted at three times the base level (60 points for a championship). The 3X tier included football, basketball, baseball, softball, and women's volleyball. This year, they've eliminated the middle tier (the 2X tier). Now, there is a base tier for most sports, and a 3X tier for six men's and six women's sports. The sports that count triple are:

Men:
Football
Basketball
Baseball
Soccer
Outdoor Track
Lacrosse

Women:
Volleyball
Basketball
Softball
Soccer
Outdoor Track
Lacrosse

Last year, soccer, outdoor track, and lacrosse were in the 2X tier for both men and women. Those have moved up to the 3X tier this year. The other sport in the 2X tier last year was swimming, which was demoted to the base tier this year. I have to point out that the Capital One Cup's continued emphasis on lacrosse is absolutely insane. I realize they're trying to promote lacrosse because ESPN televises it. But it's crazy to categorize lacrosse as a major sport.

All other sports are in the base tier. That includes sports such as cross-country, tennis, golf, and now swimming, all of which have widespread participation in Division I -- far wider participation than lacrosse.

I think the 3X weighting for the favored sports is too much. I see no reason that a single championship in soccer should count as much as three championships in tennis, cross-country, and swimming, for example. It makes no sense. The Directors' Cup weights all sports equally.

I haven't gone back to look at how the new scoring system would have affected last year's results. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

http://www.capitalonecup.com/standings.html

[terry]

The Capital One Cup (a.k.a. the "Anyone But Stanford Cup") has announced its new scoring system for the coming year. It seems that there are two major changes --

1. All NCAA sports count in the scoring now. Last year, the scoring system didn't include sports such as gymnastics, water polo, field hockey, men's volleyball, and several others. Apparently a number of schools were not happy with the exclusion of some sports last year. I believe the Capital One Cup now counts the same sports as the Directors' Cup. (Non-NCAA sports such as men's crew, synchronized swimming, etc., don't count in the Capital One Cup or the Directors' Cup.)

2. The three-tier scoring system has been reduced to two tiers. Last year, some sports counted at a base level (20 points for a championship), some counted at twice the base level (40 points for a championship), and some counted at three times the base level (60 points for a championship). The 3X tier included football, basketball, baseball, softball, and women's volleyball. This year, they've eliminated the middle tier (the 2X tier). Now, there is a base tier for most sports, and a 3X tier for six men's and six women's sports. The sports that count triple are:

Men:
Football
Basketball
Baseball
Soccer
Outdoor Track
Lacrosse

Women:
Volleyball
Basketball
Softball
Soccer
Outdoor Track
Lacrosse

Last year, soccer, outdoor track, and lacrosse were in the 2X tier for both men and women. Those have moved up to the 3X tier this year. The other sport in the 2X tier last year was swimming, which was demoted to the base tier this year. I have to point out that the Capital One Cup's continued emphasis on lacrosse is absolutely insane. I realize they're trying to promote lacrosse because ESPN televises it. But it's crazy to categorize lacrosse as a major sport.

All other sports are in the base tier. That includes sports such as cross-country, tennis, golf, and now swimming, all of which have widespread participation in Division I -- far wider participation than lacrosse.

I think the 3X weighting for the favored sports is too much. I see no reason that a single championship in soccer should count as much as three championships in tennis, cross-country, and swimming, for example. It makes no sense. The Directors' Cup weights all sports equally.

I haven't gone back to look at how the new scoring system would have affected last year's results. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

http://www.capitalonecup.com/standings.html

[oman]

We are a football university now.  We don't care about that.

I just want to know if it is going to be 'bama or OU....

[oman]

We are a football university now.  We don't care about that.

I just want to know if it is going to be 'bama or OU....

[Farm93]

Easy enough to figure this out.

Women's Sports - OK, OK, Uncle....Stanford is going to win anyway so who cares.
No school in the country comes close to Stanford's strength in those big six.  And Stanford will certainly be the top program across the 1X sports.  So the only question is could any school sneak away with a win by capturing two of the six 3X titles.  Notre Dame & UCLA are some of the few programs that could pull it out, but there are very few programs that could get the needed double.

Men's Sports - Let's keep that Anyone But Stanford Thing going
I would expect the men's winner to do very well two of the big six.  I believe the big six approach is most favorable to those few schools that dominate Lacrosse AND could win one other title from the six.  Duke, Virginia, UNC are all good at lacrosse, so that is very helpful.  LSU is very good at Track, Football and Baseball.  At the moment, Stanford is really only a title contender for Football, so Stanford almost certainly would only win if the big six are spread across six different schools.  And each of those six schools must also have minimal strength in the other big six sports.  That's a lot to ask.  ABS at work again! I would look for a member of the SEC (Football & Track) or ACC (Basketball & Lacrosse) to win it all.  Once swimming was dumped out of the big six the Pac-12s chances were crushed.  What's this thing happening in London in 2012??

[Farm93]

Easy enough to figure this out.

Women's Sports - OK, OK, Uncle....Stanford is going to win anyway so who cares.
No school in the country comes close to Stanford's strength in those big six.  And Stanford will certainly be the top program across the 1X sports.  So the only question is could any school sneak away with a win by capturing two of the six 3X titles.  Notre Dame & UCLA are some of the few programs that could pull it out, but there are very few programs that could get the needed double.

Men's Sports - Let's keep that Anyone But Stanford Thing going
I would expect the men's winner to do very well two of the big six.  I believe the big six approach is most favorable to those few schools that dominate Lacrosse AND could win one other title from the six.  Duke, Virginia, UNC are all good at lacrosse, so that is very helpful.  LSU is very good at Track, Football and Baseball.  At the moment, Stanford is really only a title contender for Football, so Stanford almost certainly would only win if the big six are spread across six different schools.  And each of those six schools must also have minimal strength in the other big six sports.  That's a lot to ask.  ABS at work again! I would look for a member of the SEC (Football & Track) or ACC (Basketball & Lacrosse) to win it all.  Once swimming was dumped out of the big six the Pac-12s chances were crushed.  What's this thing happening in London in 2012??

[yvonne]

The Capital One Cup (a.k.a. the "Anyone But Stanford Cup") has announced its new scoring system for the coming year. It seems that there are two major changes --

1. All NCAA sports count in the scoring now. Last year, the scoring system didn't include sports such as gymnastics, water polo, field hockey, men's volleyball, and several others. Apparently a number of schools were not happy with the exclusion of some sports last year. I believe the Capital One Cup now counts the same sports as the Directors' Cup. (Non-NCAA sports such as men's crew, synchronized swimming, etc., don't count in the Capital One Cup or the Directors' Cup.)

2. The three-tier scoring system has been reduced to two tiers. Last year, some sports counted at a base level (20 points for a championship), some counted at twice the base level (40 points for a championship), and some counted at three times the base level (60 points for a championship). The 3X tier included football, basketball, baseball, softball, and women's volleyball. This year, they've eliminated the middle tier (the 2X tier). Now, there is a base tier for most sports, and a 3X tier for six men's and six women's sports. The sports that count triple are:

Men:
Football
Basketball
Baseball
Soccer
Outdoor Track
Lacrosse

Women:
Volleyball
Basketball
Softball
Soccer
Outdoor Track
Lacrosse

Last year, soccer, outdoor track, and lacrosse were in the 2X tier for both men and women. Those have moved up to the 3X tier this year. The other sport in the 2X tier last year was swimming, which was demoted to the base tier this year. I have to point out that the Capital One Cup's continued emphasis on lacrosse is absolutely insane. I realize they're trying to promote lacrosse because ESPN televises it. But it's crazy to categorize lacrosse as a major sport.

All other sports are in the base tier. That includes sports such as cross-country, tennis, golf, and now swimming, all of which have widespread participation in Division I -- far wider participation than lacrosse.

Well, as long as tennis, golf, and swimming are kept low, the system still works, right?

[yvonne]

The Capital One Cup (a.k.a. the "Anyone But Stanford Cup") has announced its new scoring system for the coming year. It seems that there are two major changes --

1. All NCAA sports count in the scoring now. Last year, the scoring system didn't include sports such as gymnastics, water polo, field hockey, men's volleyball, and several others. Apparently a number of schools were not happy with the exclusion of some sports last year. I believe the Capital One Cup now counts the same sports as the Directors' Cup. (Non-NCAA sports such as men's crew, synchronized swimming, etc., don't count in the Capital One Cup or the Directors' Cup.)

2. The three-tier scoring system has been reduced to two tiers. Last year, some sports counted at a base level (20 points for a championship), some counted at twice the base level (40 points for a championship), and some counted at three times the base level (60 points for a championship). The 3X tier included football, basketball, baseball, softball, and women's volleyball. This year, they've eliminated the middle tier (the 2X tier). Now, there is a base tier for most sports, and a 3X tier for six men's and six women's sports. The sports that count triple are:

Men:
Football
Basketball
Baseball
Soccer
Outdoor Track
Lacrosse

Women:
Volleyball
Basketball
Softball
Soccer
Outdoor Track
Lacrosse

Last year, soccer, outdoor track, and lacrosse were in the 2X tier for both men and women. Those have moved up to the 3X tier this year. The other sport in the 2X tier last year was swimming, which was demoted to the base tier this year. I have to point out that the Capital One Cup's continued emphasis on lacrosse is absolutely insane. I realize they're trying to promote lacrosse because ESPN televises it. But it's crazy to categorize lacrosse as a major sport.

All other sports are in the base tier. That includes sports such as cross-country, tennis, golf, and now swimming, all of which have widespread participation in Division I -- far wider participation than lacrosse.

Well, as long as tennis, golf, and swimming are kept low, the system still works, right?

[Nan3cy]

Lacrosse???  ???

[Nan3cy]

Lacrosse???  ???

[Leftcoast]

Re:  Capital One's new scoring system - Lipstick meets Pig and gets reacquainted.

(It sucked before and still sucks now.)

[Leftcoast]

Re:  Capital One's new scoring system - Lipstick meets Pig and gets reacquainted.

(It sucked before and still sucks now.)

[Farm93]

Lacrosse???  ???

My guess is that they would give Lacrosse a 5X score on the men's side if they could get away with it.  Oddly the 3X scoring breakdown by season is 2, 1, 3.  The sixth sport should have been a winter sport to get that 2, 2, 2 balance.  If the choice could not be the super obvious swimming, then the choice should have been hockey.  Swimming obviously has a Stanford problem.  And Hockey would only help one weak team from The North get into the top 10.

So that intuitive balance was apparently ditched.  Lacrosse is best for the Credit Card Cup because it boosts the odds of an ACC team winning on the Men's side AND does nothing to help Stanford or the Pac-12s.  Capital One has its HQ in Northern Virginia (ACC and lacrosse territory), so the bias actually makes sense.

[Farm93]

Lacrosse???  ???

My guess is that they would give Lacrosse a 5X score on the men's side if they could get away with it.  Oddly the 3X scoring breakdown by season is 2, 1, 3.  The sixth sport should have been a winter sport to get that 2, 2, 2 balance.  If the choice could not be the super obvious swimming, then the choice should have been hockey.  Swimming obviously has a Stanford problem.  And Hockey would only help one weak team from The North get into the top 10.

So that intuitive balance was apparently ditched.  Lacrosse is best for the Credit Card Cup because it boosts the odds of an ACC team winning on the Men's side AND does nothing to help Stanford or the Pac-12s.  Capital One has its HQ in Northern Virginia (ACC and lacrosse territory), so the bias actually makes sense.

[Nan3cy]

Thanks for the explanation, Farm93, it makes sense. But you would think those guys would have had enough experience gaming the system that they wouldn't have to be so blatant about it...

[Nan3cy]

Thanks for the explanation, Farm93, it makes sense. But you would think those guys would have had enough experience gaming the system that they wouldn't have to be so blatant about it...

[Redrum]

... shoot Andrew Luck,  poison Tara and be done with it?

[Redrum]

... shoot Andrew Luck,  poison Tara and be done with it?

[fullmetal]

It's beyond blatant.  I think there needs to be a public push to boycott Capital One financial products :p

[fullmetal]

It's beyond blatant.  I think there needs to be a public push to boycott Capital One financial products :p

[Nan3cy]

As if we need more than those awful commercials to have a reason to boycott Capital one products... :P

[Nan3cy]

As if we need more than those awful commercials to have a reason to boycott Capital one products... :P

[Leftcoast]

Uh ..... Isn't one of our own involved in "those" commercials? 

I'm speaking of Good Grief who infamously after the experience compared the Capital One vikings with top-of-the-gene-pool C.al women.

[Leftcoast]

Uh ..... Isn't one of our own involved in "those" commercials? 

I'm speaking of Good Grief who infamously after the experience compared the Capital One vikings with top-of-the-gene-pool C.al women.