[mutoo1]

let's not ever forget how paul brown blackballed bill walsh out of pure jealousy.  that should tell you all you need to know about brown's character.

and, when my dad decided to quit paul brown's team, it was only then that brown, not wanting to suffer the ridicule of his peers over wasting the number one pick, put out the false narrative that bobby garrett couldn't cut it in the nfl because he stuttered.  a local los angeles sportswriter at the time who knew my dad and followed his career beginning in high school was so disgusted by this lie from brown that he called brown out as a liar in his sports column.

[mutoo1]

let's not ever forget how paul brown blackballed bill walsh out of pure jealousy.  that should tell you all you need to know about brown's character.

and, when my dad decided to quit paul brown's team, it was only then that brown, not wanting to suffer the ridicule of his peers over wasting the number one pick, put out the false narrative that bobby garrett couldn't cut it in the nfl because he stuttered.  a local los angeles sportswriter at the time who knew my dad and followed his career beginning in high school was so disgusted by this lie from brown that he called brown out as a liar in his sports column.

[Mick]

let's not ever forget how paul brown blackballed bill walsh out of pure jealousy.  that should tell you all you need to know about brown's character.

and, when my dad decided to quit paul brown's team, it was only then that brown, not wanting to suffer the ridicule of his peers over wasting the number one pick, put out the false narrative that bobby garrett couldn't cut it in the nfl because he stuttered.  a local los angeles sportswriter at the time who knew my dad and followed his career beginning in high school was so disgusted by this lie from brown that he called brown out as a liar in his sports column.

https://web.archive.org/web/201306190548...-walsh22/3

Not everyone in the NFL had such faith in Walsh's decisions. He was a Cincinnati Bengals assistant for seven seasons under legendary coach Paul Brown but was passed over in favor of Bill "Tiger" Johnson when Brown retired in 1975. Walsh, who subsequently resigned, said Brown "worked against my candidacy" to be a head coach anywhere in the league.

"All the way through I had opportunities, and I never knew about them," he said. "And then when I left him, he called whoever he thought was necessary to keep me out of the NFL."

Was it jealousy?

"I can't say," said Walsh, who didn't get his first NFL head-coaching job until he was 47. "He did that to other people too, it wasn't just me. But I was probably the most blatant one."

Try this, from about 14:30 on:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd_CnRkKOqA

[Mick]

let's not ever forget how paul brown blackballed bill walsh out of pure jealousy.  that should tell you all you need to know about brown's character.

and, when my dad decided to quit paul brown's team, it was only then that brown, not wanting to suffer the ridicule of his peers over wasting the number one pick, put out the false narrative that bobby garrett couldn't cut it in the nfl because he stuttered.  a local los angeles sportswriter at the time who knew my dad and followed his career beginning in high school was so disgusted by this lie from brown that he called brown out as a liar in his sports column.

https://web.archive.org/web/201306190548...-walsh22/3

Not everyone in the NFL had such faith in Walsh's decisions. He was a Cincinnati Bengals assistant for seven seasons under legendary coach Paul Brown but was passed over in favor of Bill "Tiger" Johnson when Brown retired in 1975. Walsh, who subsequently resigned, said Brown "worked against my candidacy" to be a head coach anywhere in the league.

"All the way through I had opportunities, and I never knew about them," he said. "And then when I left him, he called whoever he thought was necessary to keep me out of the NFL."

Was it jealousy?

"I can't say," said Walsh, who didn't get his first NFL head-coaching job until he was 47. "He did that to other people too, it wasn't just me. But I was probably the most blatant one."

Try this, from about 14:30 on:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd_CnRkKOqA

[JohnR34231]

Chances of Stanford asking David Shaw to leave and move on are slim and none I would say.  Based on what David says he has no interest in going to the pro game.  He has been there, and I don't think he like the environment.  He is at the school where his father coached, where he played and obviously has strong feelings the institution.  I think he is one coach who not always chasing the biggest pay check or biggest stage.

While I obviously don't want it to happen, I can't help wondering what would ensue if Shaw strung together a couple more 4-8ish seasons. Would he be shown the door, forced to shake up his staff, or would it just be business as usual?
I can tell you one thing that would happen. We would sure be getting a lot of "I told you so." comments from Shaw's detractors.

[JohnR34231]

Chances of Stanford asking David Shaw to leave and move on are slim and none I would say.  Based on what David says he has no interest in going to the pro game.  He has been there, and I don't think he like the environment.  He is at the school where his father coached, where he played and obviously has strong feelings the institution.  I think he is one coach who not always chasing the biggest pay check or biggest stage.

While I obviously don't want it to happen, I can't help wondering what would ensue if Shaw strung together a couple more 4-8ish seasons. Would he be shown the door, forced to shake up his staff, or would it just be business as usual?
I can tell you one thing that would happen. We would sure be getting a lot of "I told you so." comments from Shaw's detractors.

[Phogge]

let's not ever forget how paul brown blackballed bill walsh out of pure jealousy.  that should tell you all you need to know about brown's character.

and, when my dad decided to quit paul brown's team, it was only then that brown, not wanting to suffer the ridicule of his peers over wasting the number one pick, put out the false narrative that bobby garrett couldn't cut it in the nfl because he stuttered.  a local los angeles sportswriter at the time who knew my dad and followed his career beginning in high school was so disgusted by this lie from brown that he called brown out as a liar in his sports column.

Your dad was my favorite Stanford player ever. I have his Bowman '54 rookie card wearing the brown jersey. He had me at the 1953 UCLA game, my first, as he led the comeback to beat what was probably the second best team in the country. It was solidified at Big Game when he intercepted a Larson pass and took it all the way. Shame on Chuck Taylor for pulling much of his first string and Cal came back to tie and the Indians were kept out of the Rose Bowl. I was precocious about sports and not much in the classroom as a youth. My memory about those magical days in that gigantic stadium are crystal clear. Too bad I could't remember any math after long division.

[Phogge]

let's not ever forget how paul brown blackballed bill walsh out of pure jealousy.  that should tell you all you need to know about brown's character.

and, when my dad decided to quit paul brown's team, it was only then that brown, not wanting to suffer the ridicule of his peers over wasting the number one pick, put out the false narrative that bobby garrett couldn't cut it in the nfl because he stuttered.  a local los angeles sportswriter at the time who knew my dad and followed his career beginning in high school was so disgusted by this lie from brown that he called brown out as a liar in his sports column.

Your dad was my favorite Stanford player ever. I have his Bowman '54 rookie card wearing the brown jersey. He had me at the 1953 UCLA game, my first, as he led the comeback to beat what was probably the second best team in the country. It was solidified at Big Game when he intercepted a Larson pass and took it all the way. Shame on Chuck Taylor for pulling much of his first string and Cal came back to tie and the Indians were kept out of the Rose Bowl. I was precocious about sports and not much in the classroom as a youth. My memory about those magical days in that gigantic stadium are crystal clear. Too bad I could't remember any math after long division.

[BobK]

Why haven’t we discussed that we were both at the ucla game our first. And
What an impression Bobby Garrett made on me

[BobK]

Why haven’t we discussed that we were both at the ucla game our first. And
What an impression Bobby Garrett made on me

[Phogge]

I know that I took away a Ted Beard HR ball from you in the bleachers at Seals but did I hurt you in Stanford Stadium?

[Phogge]

I know that I took away a Ted Beard HR ball from you in the bleachers at Seals but did I hurt you in Stanford Stadium?

[BobK]

Nope I got even. LOL

[BobK]

Nope I got even. LOL

[BostonCard]

Here's another list:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...ked-65-26/

They haven't divulged their top-25, and Shaw is not in the 26-65 so either he is so bad that he didn't make the list at all or he is in the top-25.  Coaches not in the top-25:

#60 Derek Mason
#41 Clay Helton
#36 Chip Kelly
#34 Scott Frost
#33 Justin Wilcox
#27 Mike Leach

BC

[BostonCard]

Here's another list:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...ked-65-26/

They haven't divulged their top-25, and Shaw is not in the 26-65 so either he is so bad that he didn't make the list at all or he is in the top-25.  Coaches not in the top-25:

#60 Derek Mason
#41 Clay Helton
#36 Chip Kelly
#34 Scott Frost
#33 Justin Wilcox
#27 Mike Leach

BC

[BostonCard]

CBS announces their top 25:



https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...20-season/



Shaw is there, at #19 (a drop of 10 from last year)

David Shaw: This is not the trajectory you hope to see. Shaw had been a mainstay of our top 10 the last few years, but after dropping two spots to No. 9 last year, he didn't only fall out of the top 10 entirely but dropped 10 whole spots. From 2011-16, Shaw's Stanford teams went 64-17, winning three Pac-12 titles. In the three seasons since, they've gone 22-17, bottoming out at 4-8 last year. After winning at least 10 games in five of six seasons, the Cardinal have gone three straight without doing it once. Skepticism about whether Shaw can get Stanford back to that level is evident in our rankings. 2019 rank: 9 (-10)

Other relevant rankings:

Mario Cristobal is #24
Jim Harbaugh is #12
Kyle Wittingham is #11
Brian Kelly is #5

That leaves Shaw as the second ranked Pac-12 coach.

BC

[BostonCard]

CBS announces their top 25:



https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...20-season/



Shaw is there, at #19 (a drop of 10 from last year)

David Shaw: This is not the trajectory you hope to see. Shaw had been a mainstay of our top 10 the last few years, but after dropping two spots to No. 9 last year, he didn't only fall out of the top 10 entirely but dropped 10 whole spots. From 2011-16, Shaw's Stanford teams went 64-17, winning three Pac-12 titles. In the three seasons since, they've gone 22-17, bottoming out at 4-8 last year. After winning at least 10 games in five of six seasons, the Cardinal have gone three straight without doing it once. Skepticism about whether Shaw can get Stanford back to that level is evident in our rankings. 2019 rank: 9 (-10)

Other relevant rankings:

Mario Cristobal is #24
Jim Harbaugh is #12
Kyle Wittingham is #11
Brian Kelly is #5

That leaves Shaw as the second ranked Pac-12 coach.

BC