[chrisk]

I posted this on the main board as I did not see it there or here.

Having half the undergrads on campus for each of 4 quarters including summer would likely require some accommodation for athletes whose seasons generally span at least 2 quarters and generally train year-rpund.


https://healthalerts.stanford.edu/covid-...emic-year/

[chrisk]

I posted this on the main board as I did not see it there or here.

Having half the undergrads on campus for each of 4 quarters including summer would likely require some accommodation for athletes whose seasons generally span at least 2 quarters and generally train year-rpund.


https://healthalerts.stanford.edu/covid-...emic-year/

[Farm93]

I posted this on the main board as I did not see it there or here.

Having half the undergrads on campus for each of 4 quarters including summer would likely require some accommodation for athletes whose seasons generally span at least 2 quarters and generally train year-rpund.


https://healthalerts.stanford.edu/covid-...emic-year/

The athletes will likely benefit from their student-athlete academic resources across all quarters, and that will likely help them stay engaged in courses even if they are designated as remote access students.   Also, the remote access stuff has been a reality for most D1 NCAA athletes in the USA.

It is noteworthy that the school will have a lot of undergraduate students roaming around campus in the summer of 2021.   There are a number of very lucrative programs for coaches, faculty and departments that happen in the summer.   In most cases those programs provide more money per day than teaching undergrads in other quarters.   Those activities augment salaries, balance budgets and, in most cases, strengthen the Stanford brand.   For two summers (2020 & 2021) the university will not be able to host those activities, and that will have a financial impact. 

Summer 2021 might not have been particularly lucrative for those activities, but for some parts of the university the loss of two summers will blast a big hole in the budget that those students seeking adjustments to their tuition likely will not appreciate.

FWIW -  The lack of dorm community life, the elimination of dining hall socialization, the suspension of clubs, parties and other group gatherings would be far more detrimental to the overall campus experience IMHO.  

Sure hope it works out, but it looks like it will be a tough year.

[Farm93]

I posted this on the main board as I did not see it there or here.

Having half the undergrads on campus for each of 4 quarters including summer would likely require some accommodation for athletes whose seasons generally span at least 2 quarters and generally train year-rpund.


https://healthalerts.stanford.edu/covid-...emic-year/

The athletes will likely benefit from their student-athlete academic resources across all quarters, and that will likely help them stay engaged in courses even if they are designated as remote access students.   Also, the remote access stuff has been a reality for most D1 NCAA athletes in the USA.

It is noteworthy that the school will have a lot of undergraduate students roaming around campus in the summer of 2021.   There are a number of very lucrative programs for coaches, faculty and departments that happen in the summer.   In most cases those programs provide more money per day than teaching undergrads in other quarters.   Those activities augment salaries, balance budgets and, in most cases, strengthen the Stanford brand.   For two summers (2020 & 2021) the university will not be able to host those activities, and that will have a financial impact. 

Summer 2021 might not have been particularly lucrative for those activities, but for some parts of the university the loss of two summers will blast a big hole in the budget that those students seeking adjustments to their tuition likely will not appreciate.

FWIW -  The lack of dorm community life, the elimination of dining hall socialization, the suspension of clubs, parties and other group gatherings would be far more detrimental to the overall campus experience IMHO.  

Sure hope it works out, but it looks like it will be a tough year.

[Farm93]

https://www.sfgate.com/local/editorspick...325110.php

A summary of the CA Public school COVID-19 advisory is included on SFGate now.

It includes things most of us would have expected.   
* Masks for students
* Face shields for teachers
* Encouraging schools to utilize the outdoor areas whenever practical.

And assurances that a quality education will be available for all.  That is not really credible IMHO, but I understand the need to make that claim.

Most CA schools have rooms packed with kids and there just are not enough open indoor areas to even begin to meet this goal.  
Outdoor space quality varies DRAMATICALLY by school.   Some schools are literally feet from major interstates making the outdoor spaces noisy and polluted.   Other schools share fields with their city public parks.   That's OK if it is a PE teacher watching ~20 kids, quite another thing if 40% of the children are out there.   

Oh well, guess that's just what has to happen.

The teacher and student PPE requirements shared in the document are likely to be what we can expect for colleges and universities in the state too.

[Farm93]

https://www.sfgate.com/local/editorspick...325110.php

A summary of the CA Public school COVID-19 advisory is included on SFGate now.

It includes things most of us would have expected.   
* Masks for students
* Face shields for teachers
* Encouraging schools to utilize the outdoor areas whenever practical.

And assurances that a quality education will be available for all.  That is not really credible IMHO, but I understand the need to make that claim.

Most CA schools have rooms packed with kids and there just are not enough open indoor areas to even begin to meet this goal.  
Outdoor space quality varies DRAMATICALLY by school.   Some schools are literally feet from major interstates making the outdoor spaces noisy and polluted.   Other schools share fields with their city public parks.   That's OK if it is a PE teacher watching ~20 kids, quite another thing if 40% of the children are out there.   

Oh well, guess that's just what has to happen.

The teacher and student PPE requirements shared in the document are likely to be what we can expect for colleges and universities in the state too.

[2006alum]

Interesting. Since I haven't seen it mentioned, six Harvard grad schools (including law, business, and HKS) have already announced they will be entirely online only.

In a paywalled Boston Globe story about this, it was revealed that HBS (which hasn't settled on online or not) also plans to enroll around 150 fewer students than last fall, in part due to international student declines. I imagine Harvard moved first here because it can afford to, and many others will follow suit...

[2006alum]

Interesting. Since I haven't seen it mentioned, six Harvard grad schools (including law, business, and HKS) have already announced they will be entirely online only.

In a paywalled Boston Globe story about this, it was revealed that HBS (which hasn't settled on online or not) also plans to enroll around 150 fewer students than last fall, in part due to international student declines. I imagine Harvard moved first here because it can afford to, and many others will follow suit...

[Farm93]

Interesting. Since I haven't seen it mentioned, six Harvard grad schools (including law, business, and HKS) have already announced they will be entirely online only.

In a paywalled Boston Globe story about this, it was revealed that HBS (which hasn't settled on online or not) also plans to enroll around 150 fewer students than last fall, in part due to international student declines. I imagine Harvard moved first here because it can afford to, and many others will follow suit...

Business school online would be an epic waste of time.   
So much of that experience is about learning how to work, study and even present as cross-functional teams.   Much of the rest of the experience is about networking with current students, recent alums, and companies.    The lofty cost of the HBS tuition is largely justified by those group and networking experiences.  Without the on-campus elements it is not hard to believe Harvard would deliver educational content roughly equivalent to any number of other places. 

As a business school experience is only 2 years it appears possible that those in the Class of 2021 might have only 1 full semester on campus????   Ouch and will get the honor of trying to find work in an awful business climate.  

I am sure the HBS 2021 grads will all be fine, but I can only imagine how a similar decision at other places would impact those that earn MBAs from those less selective schools.

[Farm93]

Interesting. Since I haven't seen it mentioned, six Harvard grad schools (including law, business, and HKS) have already announced they will be entirely online only.

In a paywalled Boston Globe story about this, it was revealed that HBS (which hasn't settled on online or not) also plans to enroll around 150 fewer students than last fall, in part due to international student declines. I imagine Harvard moved first here because it can afford to, and many others will follow suit...

Business school online would be an epic waste of time.   
So much of that experience is about learning how to work, study and even present as cross-functional teams.   Much of the rest of the experience is about networking with current students, recent alums, and companies.    The lofty cost of the HBS tuition is largely justified by those group and networking experiences.  Without the on-campus elements it is not hard to believe Harvard would deliver educational content roughly equivalent to any number of other places. 

As a business school experience is only 2 years it appears possible that those in the Class of 2021 might have only 1 full semester on campus????   Ouch and will get the honor of trying to find work in an awful business climate.  

I am sure the HBS 2021 grads will all be fine, but I can only imagine how a similar decision at other places would impact those that earn MBAs from those less selective schools.