[OutsiderFan]

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lance...3/fulltext

Does anyone know how European countries that have curbed their outbreaks have returned from lockdowns?  I don't reckon they have done like the UK and U.S., and gone with a "let's open the bars and restaurants" without masks approach, but maybe they have? Or maybe they all have mandatory mask wearing requirements and haven't opened in-room dining? I legit don't know.

This study shows even the hardest hit parts of Spain had barely 10% of the population showing signs of SARS-Cov-2 exposure. IOW, if things open up to pre-pandemic levels and people don't practice distancing and mask wearing, the outbreaks are going to roar back to where they were or maybe even be greater. It means we literally can't go back to normal, so I wonder what Europe has done to keep their epidemics controlled, even after lockdown were lifted.

I have a friend in Georgia (the country) who just told me they have done a fantastic job stopping spread from the beginning. The country of about 4 million has just 950 cases and 15 deaths.  CT has had over 13,000 cases reported and and over 4k deaths with basically same population. So not only  is there no reason other states can't do what CT has to get its numbers way down, there is no reason any states should have had big outbreaks in the first place, given Georgia's experience.

[OutsiderFan]

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lance...3/fulltext

Does anyone know how European countries that have curbed their outbreaks have returned from lockdowns?  I don't reckon they have done like the UK and U.S., and gone with a "let's open the bars and restaurants" without masks approach, but maybe they have? Or maybe they all have mandatory mask wearing requirements and haven't opened in-room dining? I legit don't know.

This study shows even the hardest hit parts of Spain had barely 10% of the population showing signs of SARS-Cov-2 exposure. IOW, if things open up to pre-pandemic levels and people don't practice distancing and mask wearing, the outbreaks are going to roar back to where they were or maybe even be greater. It means we literally can't go back to normal, so I wonder what Europe has done to keep their epidemics controlled, even after lockdown were lifted.

I have a friend in Georgia (the country) who just told me they have done a fantastic job stopping spread from the beginning. The country of about 4 million has just 950 cases and 15 deaths.  CT has had over 13,000 cases reported and and over 4k deaths with basically same population. So not only  is there no reason other states can't do what CT has to get its numbers way down, there is no reason any states should have had big outbreaks in the first place, given Georgia's experience.

[Goose]

I have a friend in Georgia (the country) who just told me they have done a fantastic job stopping spread from the beginning. The country of about 4 million has just 950 cases and 15 deaths.  CT has had over 13,000 cases reported and and over 4k deaths with basically same population. So not only  is there no reason other states can't do what CT has to get its numbers way down, there is no reason any states should have had big outbreaks in the first place, given Georgia's experience.

I certainly think that particular local conditions play a role in how well any given state can do in getting the numbers down. We see differences between SF County, San Mateo County, and SCC that are difficult to explain. However, I basically agree that with reasonable enforcement states should be able to do much better than they are.

Georgia the country is another matter. Their enforcement policies are not nearly as limited as ours are. They control their borders very tightly because of continuing terrorist (Russian) threat. Their population has been subjected to war in the recent past. They know how to follow orders, and if they don't do so I expect it won't be pleasant for them. Georgia has a geography that favors them as well.

[Goose]

I have a friend in Georgia (the country) who just told me they have done a fantastic job stopping spread from the beginning. The country of about 4 million has just 950 cases and 15 deaths.  CT has had over 13,000 cases reported and and over 4k deaths with basically same population. So not only  is there no reason other states can't do what CT has to get its numbers way down, there is no reason any states should have had big outbreaks in the first place, given Georgia's experience.

I certainly think that particular local conditions play a role in how well any given state can do in getting the numbers down. We see differences between SF County, San Mateo County, and SCC that are difficult to explain. However, I basically agree that with reasonable enforcement states should be able to do much better than they are.

Georgia the country is another matter. Their enforcement policies are not nearly as limited as ours are. They control their borders very tightly because of continuing terrorist (Russian) threat. Their population has been subjected to war in the recent past. They know how to follow orders, and if they don't do so I expect it won't be pleasant for them. Georgia has a geography that favors them as well.