08-12-2020, 12:42 PM
Ohio State’s Ryan Day is pushing for an 8-game season starting then.
Starting football in early January?
08-13-2020, 01:31 PM
08-13-2020, 02:01 PM
The ugly fact that these clowns are stil grasping at straws tells you all you need to know about their wisdom. Instead of whining and hand-wringing, they should be looking for ways to thwart the spread of this disease, not further enabling it . Memo to Day, Harbaugh, Swinney, Saban and the rest of these head-in-the-sand deniers: use your influence, resources and wherewithal to fight the plague. Duh.
Life is too short to waste on crap football.
The ugly fact that these clowns are stil grasping at straws tells you all you need to know about their wisdom. Instead of whining and hand-wringing, they should be looking for ways to thwart the spread of this disease, not further enabling it . Memo to Day, Harbaugh, Swinney, Saban and the rest of these head-in-the-sand deniers: use your influence, resources and wherewithal to fight the plague. Duh.
Life is too short to waste on crap football.
08-13-2020, 02:44 PM
(08-13-2020, 01:31 PM)lex24 Wrote:Few thoughts -(08-12-2020, 06:10 PM)Phogge Wrote: First game 10 below, wind chill at 30 below. What fun.
Bingo.
It is possible to play the game in the winter.
Frozen turf would be a bigger worry than cold air. I am not sure if the fields in the BigTen have heating elements since those fields are normally not utilized in December or January like NFL teams.
Games are possible (assuming we wear masks for the next ~100 days, get timely test results for tracing, etc.), it is harder to believe we would be able to get control to also allow fans in the stands.
If fans are not in the equation the bleak weather is less of a problem.
For players it is often hard to go from training in AZ or TX to play a game in MI or MN, but if you live in a BigTen town it would not really be that bad to play outside. Maryland and Rutgers players might struggle, but those teams are not exactly BigTen contenders.
Winter/spring games will not really happen IMHO, but players and coaches need to keep preparing because it COULD happen.
(08-13-2020, 01:31 PM)lex24 Wrote:Few thoughts -(08-12-2020, 06:10 PM)Phogge Wrote: First game 10 below, wind chill at 30 below. What fun.
Bingo.
It is possible to play the game in the winter.
Frozen turf would be a bigger worry than cold air. I am not sure if the fields in the BigTen have heating elements since those fields are normally not utilized in December or January like NFL teams.
Games are possible (assuming we wear masks for the next ~100 days, get timely test results for tracing, etc.), it is harder to believe we would be able to get control to also allow fans in the stands.
If fans are not in the equation the bleak weather is less of a problem.
For players it is often hard to go from training in AZ or TX to play a game in MI or MN, but if you live in a BigTen town it would not really be that bad to play outside. Maryland and Rutgers players might struggle, but those teams are not exactly BigTen contenders.
Winter/spring games will not really happen IMHO, but players and coaches need to keep preparing because it COULD happen.
08-13-2020, 03:34 PM
Just for yuks, I looked up on weatherspark the typical January 2 (that's the first Saturday in January 2021) temps for B1G locales. Here they are, from "warmest" to coldest:
Maryland: the temperature in College Park typically ranges from 33°F to 43°F and is rarely below 19°F or above 58°F.
Rutgers: the temperature in New Brunswick typically ranges from 30°F to 40°F and is rarely below 16°F or above 53°F.
Ohio State: the temperature in Columbus typically ranges from 28°F to 35°F and is rarely below 11°F or above 51°F.
Indiana: the temperature in Bloomington typically ranges from 27°F to 35°F and is rarely below 8°F or above 52°F.
Penn State: the temperature in State College typically ranges from 26°F to 33°F and is rarely below 11°F or above 46°F.
Northwestern: the temperature in Evanston typically ranges from 26°F to 31°F and is rarely below 9°F or above 44°F.
Purdue: the temperature in West Lafayette typically ranges from 25°F to 32°F and is rarely below 6°F or above 49°F.
Illinois: the temperature in Champaign typically ranges from 24°F to 32°F and is rarely below 4°F or above 48°F.
Michigan: the temperature in Ann Arbor typically ranges from 23°F to 30°F and is rarely below 7°F or above 43°F.
Michigan State: the temperature in East Lansing typically ranges from 23°F to 29°F and is rarely below 7°F or above 43°F.
Nebraska: the temperature in Lincoln typically ranges from 19°F to 32°F and is rarely below 2°F or above 50°F.
Iowa: the temperature in Iowa City typically ranges from 19°F to 28°F and is rarely below -1°F or above 43°F.
Wisconsin: the temperature in Madison typically ranges from 18°F to 26°F and is rarely below -2°F or above 39°F.
Minnesota: the temperature in Minneapolis typically ranges from 13°F to 21°F and is rarely below -8°F or above 36°F.
To add injury to insult, typical temps are actually a degree or two *colder* on February 1 than on January 2 for the above locales! But if there are no fans, maybe the B1G can schedule its football games indoors.
Maryland: the temperature in College Park typically ranges from 33°F to 43°F and is rarely below 19°F or above 58°F.
Rutgers: the temperature in New Brunswick typically ranges from 30°F to 40°F and is rarely below 16°F or above 53°F.
Ohio State: the temperature in Columbus typically ranges from 28°F to 35°F and is rarely below 11°F or above 51°F.
Indiana: the temperature in Bloomington typically ranges from 27°F to 35°F and is rarely below 8°F or above 52°F.
Penn State: the temperature in State College typically ranges from 26°F to 33°F and is rarely below 11°F or above 46°F.
Northwestern: the temperature in Evanston typically ranges from 26°F to 31°F and is rarely below 9°F or above 44°F.
Purdue: the temperature in West Lafayette typically ranges from 25°F to 32°F and is rarely below 6°F or above 49°F.
Illinois: the temperature in Champaign typically ranges from 24°F to 32°F and is rarely below 4°F or above 48°F.
Michigan: the temperature in Ann Arbor typically ranges from 23°F to 30°F and is rarely below 7°F or above 43°F.
Michigan State: the temperature in East Lansing typically ranges from 23°F to 29°F and is rarely below 7°F or above 43°F.
Nebraska: the temperature in Lincoln typically ranges from 19°F to 32°F and is rarely below 2°F or above 50°F.
Iowa: the temperature in Iowa City typically ranges from 19°F to 28°F and is rarely below -1°F or above 43°F.
Wisconsin: the temperature in Madison typically ranges from 18°F to 26°F and is rarely below -2°F or above 39°F.
Minnesota: the temperature in Minneapolis typically ranges from 13°F to 21°F and is rarely below -8°F or above 36°F.
To add injury to insult, typical temps are actually a degree or two *colder* on February 1 than on January 2 for the above locales! But if there are no fans, maybe the B1G can schedule its football games indoors.
If there's one thing people have learned in Berkeley, it's that you can't put "Cal football" and "Rose Bowl" in the same sentence. The words just don't fit. You'd be better off linking "covered wagons" with "Mars travel." (Bruce Jenkins, Cal '70, SF Chronicle, Nov. 11, 2017)
Just for yuks, I looked up on weatherspark the typical January 2 (that's the first Saturday in January 2021) temps for B1G locales. Here they are, from "warmest" to coldest:
Maryland: the temperature in College Park typically ranges from 33°F to 43°F and is rarely below 19°F or above 58°F.
Rutgers: the temperature in New Brunswick typically ranges from 30°F to 40°F and is rarely below 16°F or above 53°F.
Ohio State: the temperature in Columbus typically ranges from 28°F to 35°F and is rarely below 11°F or above 51°F.
Indiana: the temperature in Bloomington typically ranges from 27°F to 35°F and is rarely below 8°F or above 52°F.
Penn State: the temperature in State College typically ranges from 26°F to 33°F and is rarely below 11°F or above 46°F.
Northwestern: the temperature in Evanston typically ranges from 26°F to 31°F and is rarely below 9°F or above 44°F.
Purdue: the temperature in West Lafayette typically ranges from 25°F to 32°F and is rarely below 6°F or above 49°F.
Illinois: the temperature in Champaign typically ranges from 24°F to 32°F and is rarely below 4°F or above 48°F.
Michigan: the temperature in Ann Arbor typically ranges from 23°F to 30°F and is rarely below 7°F or above 43°F.
Michigan State: the temperature in East Lansing typically ranges from 23°F to 29°F and is rarely below 7°F or above 43°F.
Nebraska: the temperature in Lincoln typically ranges from 19°F to 32°F and is rarely below 2°F or above 50°F.
Iowa: the temperature in Iowa City typically ranges from 19°F to 28°F and is rarely below -1°F or above 43°F.
Wisconsin: the temperature in Madison typically ranges from 18°F to 26°F and is rarely below -2°F or above 39°F.
Minnesota: the temperature in Minneapolis typically ranges from 13°F to 21°F and is rarely below -8°F or above 36°F.
To add injury to insult, typical temps are actually a degree or two *colder* on February 1 than on January 2 for the above locales! But if there are no fans, maybe the B1G can schedule its football games indoors.
Maryland: the temperature in College Park typically ranges from 33°F to 43°F and is rarely below 19°F or above 58°F.
Rutgers: the temperature in New Brunswick typically ranges from 30°F to 40°F and is rarely below 16°F or above 53°F.
Ohio State: the temperature in Columbus typically ranges from 28°F to 35°F and is rarely below 11°F or above 51°F.
Indiana: the temperature in Bloomington typically ranges from 27°F to 35°F and is rarely below 8°F or above 52°F.
Penn State: the temperature in State College typically ranges from 26°F to 33°F and is rarely below 11°F or above 46°F.
Northwestern: the temperature in Evanston typically ranges from 26°F to 31°F and is rarely below 9°F or above 44°F.
Purdue: the temperature in West Lafayette typically ranges from 25°F to 32°F and is rarely below 6°F or above 49°F.
Illinois: the temperature in Champaign typically ranges from 24°F to 32°F and is rarely below 4°F or above 48°F.
Michigan: the temperature in Ann Arbor typically ranges from 23°F to 30°F and is rarely below 7°F or above 43°F.
Michigan State: the temperature in East Lansing typically ranges from 23°F to 29°F and is rarely below 7°F or above 43°F.
Nebraska: the temperature in Lincoln typically ranges from 19°F to 32°F and is rarely below 2°F or above 50°F.
Iowa: the temperature in Iowa City typically ranges from 19°F to 28°F and is rarely below -1°F or above 43°F.
Wisconsin: the temperature in Madison typically ranges from 18°F to 26°F and is rarely below -2°F or above 39°F.
Minnesota: the temperature in Minneapolis typically ranges from 13°F to 21°F and is rarely below -8°F or above 36°F.
To add injury to insult, typical temps are actually a degree or two *colder* on February 1 than on January 2 for the above locales! But if there are no fans, maybe the B1G can schedule its football games indoors.
If there's one thing people have learned in Berkeley, it's that you can't put "Cal football" and "Rose Bowl" in the same sentence. The words just don't fit. You'd be better off linking "covered wagons" with "Mars travel." (Bruce Jenkins, Cal '70, SF Chronicle, Nov. 11, 2017)
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08-13-2020, 03:51 PM
Interesting info Papa John. I would have thought the temperatures to be colder than that.
Back in the days when dinosaurs roamed the earth, I got my Bachelors degree from Penn State. There were quite a few games played at Beaver Stadium (PSU's home field) where the temp never went above mid thirties in late November. This was on a natural grass field. While I can't speak for the players, I don't remember it being that much of an obstacle.
Back in the days when dinosaurs roamed the earth, I got my Bachelors degree from Penn State. There were quite a few games played at Beaver Stadium (PSU's home field) where the temp never went above mid thirties in late November. This was on a natural grass field. While I can't speak for the players, I don't remember it being that much of an obstacle.
Interesting info Papa John. I would have thought the temperatures to be colder than that.
Back in the days when dinosaurs roamed the earth, I got my Bachelors degree from Penn State. There were quite a few games played at Beaver Stadium (PSU's home field) where the temp never went above mid thirties in late November. This was on a natural grass field. While I can't speak for the players, I don't remember it being that much of an obstacle.
Back in the days when dinosaurs roamed the earth, I got my Bachelors degree from Penn State. There were quite a few games played at Beaver Stadium (PSU's home field) where the temp never went above mid thirties in late November. This was on a natural grass field. While I can't speak for the players, I don't remember it being that much of an obstacle.
(08-13-2020, 03:51 PM)paloalto Wrote: Interesting info Papa John. I would have thought the temperatures to be colder than that.
Back in the days when dinosaurs roamed the earth, I got my Bachelors degree from Penn State. There were quite a few games played at Beaver Stadium (PSU's home field) where the temp never went above mid thirties in late November. This was on a natural grass field. While I can't speak for the players, I don't remember it being that much of an obstacle.
I grew up in Ohio, "normal" temps would not be a problem for the people who live there, they know how to dress in the cold, problems in terms of comfort would happen in the outlier events, like the AFC championship came in Cin in 1982 (aka the Freezer Bowl), but those are few and far between. What would be really unpleasant is sleet/freezing rain.......
Quote:Air temperature was −9 °F (−22.8 °C), but the wind chill, factoring in a sustained wind of 27 miles per hour, was −37 °F
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freezer_Bowl
Eric
"the older we get the better we were"
(08-13-2020, 03:51 PM)paloalto Wrote: Interesting info Papa John. I would have thought the temperatures to be colder than that.
Back in the days when dinosaurs roamed the earth, I got my Bachelors degree from Penn State. There were quite a few games played at Beaver Stadium (PSU's home field) where the temp never went above mid thirties in late November. This was on a natural grass field. While I can't speak for the players, I don't remember it being that much of an obstacle.
I grew up in Ohio, "normal" temps would not be a problem for the people who live there, they know how to dress in the cold, problems in terms of comfort would happen in the outlier events, like the AFC championship came in Cin in 1982 (aka the Freezer Bowl), but those are few and far between. What would be really unpleasant is sleet/freezing rain.......
Quote:Air temperature was −9 °F (−22.8 °C), but the wind chill, factoring in a sustained wind of 27 miles per hour, was −37 °F
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freezer_Bowl
Eric
"the older we get the better we were"
08-13-2020, 04:46 PM
(08-13-2020, 04:28 PM)82lsju Wrote:(08-13-2020, 03:51 PM)paloalto Wrote: Interesting info Papa John. I would have thought the temperatures to be colder than that.
Back in the days when dinosaurs roamed the earth, I got my Bachelors degree from Penn State. There were quite a few games played at Beaver Stadium (PSU's home field) where the temp never went above mid thirties in late November. This was on a natural grass field. While I can't speak for the players, I don't remember it being that much of an obstacle.
I grew up in Ohio, "normal" temps would not be a problem for the people who live there, they know how to dress in the cold, problems in terms of comfort would happen in the outlier events, like the AFC championship came in Cin in 1982 (aka the Freezer Bowl), but those are few and far between. What would be really unpleasant is sleet/freezing rain.......
Quote:Air temperature was −9 °F (−22.8 °C), but the wind chill, factoring in a sustained wind of 27 miles per hour, was −37 °F
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freezer_Bowl
Good point, 82lsju. The "typical" temps that I posted did not take into account wind chill. There's a brobdingnagian difference between 20°F and calm wind and 20°F and 20 mph wind (feels like 4 degrees!).
I think there are indoor--or at least covered--baseball/football stadiums in Saint Louis, Minneapolis, Detroit, Indianapolis and Milwaukee. There are also covered football stadiums for UNI and some of the Dakota schools. There won't be fans in January or February, so there's a possible workaround for at least some of the B1G teams.
If there's one thing people have learned in Berkeley, it's that you can't put "Cal football" and "Rose Bowl" in the same sentence. The words just don't fit. You'd be better off linking "covered wagons" with "Mars travel." (Bruce Jenkins, Cal '70, SF Chronicle, Nov. 11, 2017)
(08-13-2020, 04:28 PM)82lsju Wrote:(08-13-2020, 03:51 PM)paloalto Wrote: Interesting info Papa John. I would have thought the temperatures to be colder than that.
Back in the days when dinosaurs roamed the earth, I got my Bachelors degree from Penn State. There were quite a few games played at Beaver Stadium (PSU's home field) where the temp never went above mid thirties in late November. This was on a natural grass field. While I can't speak for the players, I don't remember it being that much of an obstacle.
I grew up in Ohio, "normal" temps would not be a problem for the people who live there, they know how to dress in the cold, problems in terms of comfort would happen in the outlier events, like the AFC championship came in Cin in 1982 (aka the Freezer Bowl), but those are few and far between. What would be really unpleasant is sleet/freezing rain.......
Quote:Air temperature was −9 °F (−22.8 °C), but the wind chill, factoring in a sustained wind of 27 miles per hour, was −37 °F
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freezer_Bowl
Good point, 82lsju. The "typical" temps that I posted did not take into account wind chill. There's a brobdingnagian difference between 20°F and calm wind and 20°F and 20 mph wind (feels like 4 degrees!).
I think there are indoor--or at least covered--baseball/football stadiums in Saint Louis, Minneapolis, Detroit, Indianapolis and Milwaukee. There are also covered football stadiums for UNI and some of the Dakota schools. There won't be fans in January or February, so there's a possible workaround for at least some of the B1G teams.
If there's one thing people have learned in Berkeley, it's that you can't put "Cal football" and "Rose Bowl" in the same sentence. The words just don't fit. You'd be better off linking "covered wagons" with "Mars travel." (Bruce Jenkins, Cal '70, SF Chronicle, Nov. 11, 2017)
08-13-2020, 04:58 PM
(This post was last modified: 08-13-2020, 05:00 PM by CardinalSagehen.)
This seems like a valid solution to the temperature issue, especially when you consider that there won't be fans in the stands anyway. (At the same time, personally, I'm not too concerned about pushing the envelope to have a season at all...)
https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...-look-like
https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...-look-like
Quote:They don't have to be played at home stadiums. The Big Ten footprint has indoor stadiums in Indianapolis, Detroit and Minneapolis within reach of its campuses. The SEC (which has better weather to begin with) has Atlanta and St. Louis close to its campuses. The Big 12 has San Antonio and Dallas, etc. Playing in cities such as those, with lots of hotel space and repeatable health-and-safety protocols, would significantly mitigate the weather issue and help teams create the best bubbles possible.
(This post was last modified: 08-13-2020, 05:00 PM by CardinalSagehen.)
This seems like a valid solution to the temperature issue, especially when you consider that there won't be fans in the stands anyway. (At the same time, personally, I'm not too concerned about pushing the envelope to have a season at all...)
https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...-look-like
https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...-look-like
Quote:They don't have to be played at home stadiums. The Big Ten footprint has indoor stadiums in Indianapolis, Detroit and Minneapolis within reach of its campuses. The SEC (which has better weather to begin with) has Atlanta and St. Louis close to its campuses. The Big 12 has San Antonio and Dallas, etc. Playing in cities such as those, with lots of hotel space and repeatable health-and-safety protocols, would significantly mitigate the weather issue and help teams create the best bubbles possible.
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