[cardcrimson]

Players from Tulsa and Mississippi State really went after each other. One Tulsa kid carried off, another had his helmet ripped off. Announcers were stunned and commenting that charges will probably be filed.

Really pathetic. . . .

[cardcrimson]

Players from Tulsa and Mississippi State really went after each other. One Tulsa kid carried off, another had his helmet ripped off. Announcers were stunned and commenting that charges will probably be filed.

Really pathetic. . . .

[BostonCard]

I blame the ugly girlfriends.

BC

[BostonCard]

I blame the ugly girlfriends.

BC

[cardcrimson]

I blame the ugly girlfriends.

BC

Leach in his post game field interview basically said something like, "Yah, well, it's football. We've not had any problem like that all season, so I can only imagine how it started. . . ."

Typical Leach.

[cardcrimson]

I blame the ugly girlfriends.

BC

Leach in his post game field interview basically said something like, "Yah, well, it's football. We've not had any problem like that all season, so I can only imagine how it started. . . ."

Typical Leach.

[JustAnotherFan]

How did KJ do in the brawl? I'd hate to be hit in the face by him.

[JustAnotherFan]

How did KJ do in the brawl? I'd hate to be hit in the face by him.

[cardcrimson]

How did KJ do in the brawl? I'd hate to be hit in the face by him.

He missed badly with the few punches he threw. . . .

[cardcrimson]

How did KJ do in the brawl? I'd hate to be hit in the face by him.

He missed badly with the few punches he threw. . . .

[lex24]

The NCAA has to discipline both programs. At least a bowl ban next year. Or maybe reduce scholrarships for a year. That film should also be carefully studied. Some players on both teams should face suspensions. I’d say 4 games. 

What a great end to KJ’s MSU “career”.  I said when it was announced he was transferring to MSU that it was an awful decision.  Not a good fit.  Plus Leach's first year.  

It was worse than that.  He played poorly, then he got hurt, then he was beaten out by a true frosh.  I feel bad for him. Whoever was advising him did him a grave disservice.

[lex24]

The NCAA has to discipline both programs. At least a bowl ban next year. Or maybe reduce scholrarships for a year. That film should also be carefully studied. Some players on both teams should face suspensions. I’d say 4 games. 

What a great end to KJ’s MSU “career”.  I said when it was announced he was transferring to MSU that it was an awful decision.  Not a good fit.  Plus Leach's first year.  

It was worse than that.  He played poorly, then he got hurt, then he was beaten out by a true frosh.  I feel bad for him. Whoever was advising him did him a grave disservice.

[BostonCard]

I blame the ugly girlfriends.

BC

Sorry, I meant "fat girlfriends"

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[BostonCard]

I blame the ugly girlfriends.

BC

Sorry, I meant "fat girlfriends"

BC

[BrevinsBest]

Come on man. Tulsa, not Tulane. Don’t you dare slander the mighty Green Wave.

[BrevinsBest]

Come on man. Tulsa, not Tulane. Don’t you dare slander the mighty Green Wave.

[teejers1]

How did KJ do in the brawl? I'd hate to be hit in the face by him.

He missed badly with the few punches he threw. . . .

That's because the pressure caused him to be on the run, and he's not a very good thrower on the run . . .  
[And in case anyone wonders - which is almost beyond imagingation - we are being sarcastic/humorous].

[teejers1]

How did KJ do in the brawl? I'd hate to be hit in the face by him.

He missed badly with the few punches he threw. . . .

That's because the pressure caused him to be on the run, and he's not a very good thrower on the run . . .  
[And in case anyone wonders - which is almost beyond imagingation - we are being sarcastic/humorous].

[needle]

An Even Lower New Low

[needle]

An Even Lower New Low

[JJJ]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/espn-kirk-h...48536.html

[JJJ]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/espn-kirk-h...48536.html

[teejers1]

What a great end to KJ’s MSU “career”.  I said when it was announced he was transferring to MSU that it was an awful decision.  Not a good fit.  Plus Leach's first year.  

It was worse than that.  He played poorly, then he got hurt, then he was beaten out by a true frosh.  I feel bad for him. Whoever was advising him did him a grave disservice.

I don't know about that.  KJ will have the memories of knocking off defending national champion LSU Tigers for life - and he undoubtedly was the talk of the college football world for that first weekend.   Would he have had a better experience standing on the sidelines for 6 games (and no bowl) at Stanford?

As far as pro chances go, there is no difference.

[teejers1]

What a great end to KJ’s MSU “career”.  I said when it was announced he was transferring to MSU that it was an awful decision.  Not a good fit.  Plus Leach's first year.  

It was worse than that.  He played poorly, then he got hurt, then he was beaten out by a true frosh.  I feel bad for him. Whoever was advising him did him a grave disservice.

I don't know about that.  KJ will have the memories of knocking off defending national champion LSU Tigers for life - and he undoubtedly was the talk of the college football world for that first weekend.   Would he have had a better experience standing on the sidelines for 6 games (and no bowl) at Stanford?

As far as pro chances go, there is no difference.

[BostonCard]

What a great end to KJ’s MSU “career”.  I said when it was announced he was transferring to MSU that it was an awful decision.  Not a good fit.  Plus Leach's first year.  

It was worse than that.  He played poorly, then he got hurt, then he was beaten out by a true frosh.  I feel bad for him. Whoever was advising him did him a grave disservice.

I don't know about that.  KJ will have the memories of knocking off defending national champion LSU Tigers for life - and he undoubtedly was the talk of the college football world for that first weekend.   Would he have had a better experience standing on the sidelines for 6 games (and no bowl) at Stanford?

As far as pro chances go, there is no difference.

With Mills out with the COVID clusterfark, he’d have started against Oregon, and may have started against Colorado, given Mills had a limited practice time.

BC

[BostonCard]

What a great end to KJ’s MSU “career”.  I said when it was announced he was transferring to MSU that it was an awful decision.  Not a good fit.  Plus Leach's first year.  

It was worse than that.  He played poorly, then he got hurt, then he was beaten out by a true frosh.  I feel bad for him. Whoever was advising him did him a grave disservice.

I don't know about that.  KJ will have the memories of knocking off defending national champion LSU Tigers for life - and he undoubtedly was the talk of the college football world for that first weekend.   Would he have had a better experience standing on the sidelines for 6 games (and no bowl) at Stanford?

As far as pro chances go, there is no difference.

With Mills out with the COVID clusterfark, he’d have started against Oregon, and may have started against Colorado, given Mills had a limited practice time.

BC

[lex24]

What a great end to KJ’s MSU “career”.  I said when it was announced he was transferring to MSU that it was an awful decision.  Not a good fit.  Plus Leach's first year.  

It was worse than that.  He played poorly, then he got hurt, then he was beaten out by a true frosh.  I feel bad for him. Whoever was advising him did him a grave disservice.

I don't know about that.  KJ will have the memories of knocking off defending national champion LSU Tigers for life - and he undoubtedly was the talk of the college football world for that first weekend.   Would he have had a better experience standing on the sidelines for 6 games (and no bowl) at Stanford?

As far as pro chances go, there is no difference.

With Mills out with the COVID clusterfark, he’d have started against Oregon, and may have started against Colorado, given Mills had a limited practice time.

BC

LSU was not very good this year. But sure he had one game. I don’t think his expectation was to go to MSU. Have one great game, stink out the joint from that game forward, get hurt, lose his job to a Freshman and not see much more time. Who said his only other option was to stay at Stanford?  I’m guessing he had other opportunities. (I wonder if Iowa was interested. Stanley graduated. Their QB coming in was not good. It’s a similar style to Stanford. With a strong o-line. That would have been a great fit).

And I disagree - I think he hurt his draft position.  He certainly didnt help it. Although I’m not sure it was particularly strong to begin with.

[lex24]

What a great end to KJ’s MSU “career”.  I said when it was announced he was transferring to MSU that it was an awful decision.  Not a good fit.  Plus Leach's first year.  

It was worse than that.  He played poorly, then he got hurt, then he was beaten out by a true frosh.  I feel bad for him. Whoever was advising him did him a grave disservice.

I don't know about that.  KJ will have the memories of knocking off defending national champion LSU Tigers for life - and he undoubtedly was the talk of the college football world for that first weekend.   Would he have had a better experience standing on the sidelines for 6 games (and no bowl) at Stanford?

As far as pro chances go, there is no difference.

With Mills out with the COVID clusterfark, he’d have started against Oregon, and may have started against Colorado, given Mills had a limited practice time.

BC

LSU was not very good this year. But sure he had one game. I don’t think his expectation was to go to MSU. Have one great game, stink out the joint from that game forward, get hurt, lose his job to a Freshman and not see much more time. Who said his only other option was to stay at Stanford?  I’m guessing he had other opportunities. (I wonder if Iowa was interested. Stanley graduated. Their QB coming in was not good. It’s a similar style to Stanford. With a strong o-line. That would have been a great fit).

And I disagree - I think he hurt his draft position.  He certainly didnt help it. Although I’m not sure it was particularly strong to begin with.

[JustAnotherFan]

What a great end to KJ’s MSU “career”.  I said when it was announced he was transferring to MSU that it was an awful decision.  Not a good fit.  Plus Leach's first year.  

It was worse than that.  He played poorly, then he got hurt, then he was beaten out by a true frosh.  I feel bad for him. Whoever was advising him did him a grave disservice.

I don't know about that.  KJ will have the memories of knocking off defending national champion LSU Tigers for life - and he undoubtedly was the talk of the college football world for that first weekend.   Would he have had a better experience standing on the sidelines for 6 games (and no bowl) at Stanford?

As far as pro chances go, there is no difference.

With Mills out with the COVID clusterfark, he’d have started against Oregon, and may have started against Colorado, given Mills had a limited practice time.

BC

LSU was not very good this year.  But sure he had one game.  I don’t think his expectation was to go to MSU. Have one great game, stink out the joint from that game  forward, get hurt, lose his job to a Freshman and not see much more time.  Who said his only other option was to stay at Stanford?  I’m guessing he had other opportunities. (I wonder if Iowa was interested.  Stanley graduated. Their QB coming in was not good.  It’s a similar style to Stanford.  With a strong o-line.  That would have been a great fit).

And I disagree - I think he hurt his draft position.  He certainly didnt help it.  Although I’m not sure it was particularly strong to begin with.

I agree, Iowa would have been interesting. 

Plus, from KJ's perspective, there was a possibility that there wasn't even going to be a Pac-12 football season. Quite frankly, it was embarrassing that there was a Pac-12 football season in terms of (1) they irresponsibly reversed their originally responsible decision (from an athlete, student, staff, and public health perspective) of cancelling the entire season due to Covid, (2) they did it just in time to contribute to the worst wave of the pandemic, and (3) the product that was put on the field was terrible. The Pac-12 was maybe the 7th best conference in college football this year. So if KJ wanted to be able to play, leaving Stanford was actually in his best interest.

So yeah, I don't see how him staying at Stanford would have been better for him, but I agree that MSU was wrong for him.

[JustAnotherFan]

What a great end to KJ’s MSU “career”.  I said when it was announced he was transferring to MSU that it was an awful decision.  Not a good fit.  Plus Leach's first year.  

It was worse than that.  He played poorly, then he got hurt, then he was beaten out by a true frosh.  I feel bad for him. Whoever was advising him did him a grave disservice.

I don't know about that.  KJ will have the memories of knocking off defending national champion LSU Tigers for life - and he undoubtedly was the talk of the college football world for that first weekend.   Would he have had a better experience standing on the sidelines for 6 games (and no bowl) at Stanford?

As far as pro chances go, there is no difference.

With Mills out with the COVID clusterfark, he’d have started against Oregon, and may have started against Colorado, given Mills had a limited practice time.

BC

LSU was not very good this year.  But sure he had one game.  I don’t think his expectation was to go to MSU. Have one great game, stink out the joint from that game  forward, get hurt, lose his job to a Freshman and not see much more time.  Who said his only other option was to stay at Stanford?  I’m guessing he had other opportunities. (I wonder if Iowa was interested.  Stanley graduated. Their QB coming in was not good.  It’s a similar style to Stanford.  With a strong o-line.  That would have been a great fit).

And I disagree - I think he hurt his draft position.  He certainly didnt help it.  Although I’m not sure it was particularly strong to begin with.

I agree, Iowa would have been interesting. 

Plus, from KJ's perspective, there was a possibility that there wasn't even going to be a Pac-12 football season. Quite frankly, it was embarrassing that there was a Pac-12 football season in terms of (1) they irresponsibly reversed their originally responsible decision (from an athlete, student, staff, and public health perspective) of cancelling the entire season due to Covid, (2) they did it just in time to contribute to the worst wave of the pandemic, and (3) the product that was put on the field was terrible. The Pac-12 was maybe the 7th best conference in college football this year. So if KJ wanted to be able to play, leaving Stanford was actually in his best interest.

So yeah, I don't see how him staying at Stanford would have been better for him, but I agree that MSU was wrong for him.

[cardcrimson]

Please share proof of point number two. Hard to argue with one or three.

[cardcrimson]

Please share proof of point number two. Hard to argue with one or three.

[teejers1]

Please share proof of point number two. Hard to argue with one or three.

Why do you question that assertion?  You should be thankful that JAF has explained so simply the rampant run of cases in California - it's all attributable to college football!!!  (Never mind that SCC numbers awful . . . even though those teams were forced to move out).

Whatever.

[teejers1]

Please share proof of point number two. Hard to argue with one or three.

Why do you question that assertion?  You should be thankful that JAF has explained so simply the rampant run of cases in California - it's all attributable to college football!!!  (Never mind that SCC numbers awful . . . even though those teams were forced to move out).

Whatever.

[SamuelMcF]

Who said his only other option was to stay at Stanford?  I’m guessing he had other opportunities. (I wonder if Iowa was interested.  Stanley graduated. Their QB coming in was not good.  It’s a similar style to Stanford.  With a strong o-line.  That would have been a great fit). 

UW wanted him. LSU was also interested to some degree. I'm sure there were others; he was one of the hottest transfer QB names on the market.

[SamuelMcF]

Who said his only other option was to stay at Stanford?  I’m guessing he had other opportunities. (I wonder if Iowa was interested.  Stanley graduated. Their QB coming in was not good.  It’s a similar style to Stanford.  With a strong o-line.  That would have been a great fit). 

UW wanted him. LSU was also interested to some degree. I'm sure there were others; he was one of the hottest transfer QB names on the market.

[Goose]

Who said his only other option was to stay at Stanford?  I’m guessing he had other opportunities. (I wonder if Iowa was interested.  Stanley graduated. Their QB coming in was not good.  It’s a similar style to Stanford.  With a strong o-line.  That would have been a great fit). 

UW wanted him. LSU was also interested to some degree. I'm sure there were others; he was one of the hottest transfer QB names on the market.

KJ is a good QB. He isn't as much of a "natural" as some, but he has skills. Maybe some of the people who don't think Shaw gets a lot out of his players and doesn't elevate their game may want to contrast his time at Stanford with his time in Leachville. I would agree it is not a fair comparison, because KJ had much better receivers and generally better protection at Stanford. It is also true that Leach probably started looking to the future very quickly when he saw how bad his team actually was. All that said, KJ pretty much prospered at Stanford and did not at Mississippi State.

[Goose]

Who said his only other option was to stay at Stanford?  I’m guessing he had other opportunities. (I wonder if Iowa was interested.  Stanley graduated. Their QB coming in was not good.  It’s a similar style to Stanford.  With a strong o-line.  That would have been a great fit). 

UW wanted him. LSU was also interested to some degree. I'm sure there were others; he was one of the hottest transfer QB names on the market.

KJ is a good QB. He isn't as much of a "natural" as some, but he has skills. Maybe some of the people who don't think Shaw gets a lot out of his players and doesn't elevate their game may want to contrast his time at Stanford with his time in Leachville. I would agree it is not a fair comparison, because KJ had much better receivers and generally better protection at Stanford. It is also true that Leach probably started looking to the future very quickly when he saw how bad his team actually was. All that said, KJ pretty much prospered at Stanford and did not at Mississippi State.