(10-10-2022, 03:53 PM)Spiny_Norman Wrote: I don't think there was a single moment that Stanford lost the game (other than the obvious answer, the winning TD pass for OSU). But it was a succession of little failures in the 4th quarter that added up.
- allowing OSU to score a TD on 4th and 8 when Nicolas Toomer turned the wrong way to look for the ball on a back shoulder pass
- Stanford then drove the ball to the OSU 44 before the drive stalled and they punted. A good defensive stand forced a 3 and out by the Beavers. Stanford was looking at good field position. But a mediocre OSU punt got 10-15 extra yards of roll. On top of that, Stanford was holding on the punt, then got caught holding again on the 2nd down play. The result was effectively a 66 yard punt. Stanford was backed up to its 17 yard line. Thanks to a little luck and Stanford mistakes, OSU had flipped the field. Oregon State scored again 1:14 later.
- suboptimal time management on the final Stanford drive. McKee could have waited longer to snap the ball.
- on the winning TD pass, Bonner did not locate the ball until the receiver had picked it off the top of his head. Still not sure why Fields held up. Waiting for a ricochet? Not wanting to hit a defenseless player and get a targeting call?
- btw, OSU's held the ball for for 3:44 in the 4th quarter and scored 18 points. Stanford had the ball for 11:16 and scored 3 points.
(10-10-2022, 03:53 PM)Spiny_Norman Wrote: I don't think there was a single moment that Stanford lost the game (other than the obvious answer, the winning TD pass for OSU). But it was a succession of little failures in the 4th quarter that added up.
- allowing OSU to score a TD on 4th and 8 when Nicolas Toomer turned the wrong way to look for the ball on a back shoulder pass
- Stanford then drove the ball to the OSU 44 before the drive stalled and they punted. A good defensive stand forced a 3 and out by the Beavers. Stanford was looking at good field position. But a mediocre OSU punt got 10-15 extra yards of roll. On top of that, Stanford was holding on the punt, then got caught holding again on the 2nd down play. The result was effectively a 66 yard punt. Stanford was backed up to its 17 yard line. Thanks to a little luck and Stanford mistakes, OSU had flipped the field. Oregon State scored again 1:14 later.
- suboptimal time management on the final Stanford drive. McKee could have waited longer to snap the ball.
- on the winning TD pass, Bonner did not locate the ball until the receiver had picked it off the top of his head. Still not sure why Fields held up. Waiting for a ricochet? Not wanting to hit a defenseless player and get a targeting call?
- btw, OSU's held the ball for for 3:44 in the 4th quarter and scored 18 points. Stanford had the ball for 11:16 and scored 3 points.
(10-10-2022, 10:21 PM)BostonCard Wrote: I think we had a pretty realistic view that Harbaugh’s ambition was to coach in the NFL, and after a couple years, Harbaugh was a hot enough property that it was a matter of when, not if. I think the dalliance with Kansas left a bit of a sour taste, but really, one can’t blame him for too much. We went from 1-11 the year before he was here to 12-1 Orange Bowl champions. If he had merely made us respectable, dayenu, yet he did so much more.
BC
(10-10-2022, 10:21 PM)BostonCard Wrote: I think we had a pretty realistic view that Harbaugh’s ambition was to coach in the NFL, and after a couple years, Harbaugh was a hot enough property that it was a matter of when, not if. I think the dalliance with Kansas left a bit of a sour taste, but really, one can’t blame him for too much. We went from 1-11 the year before he was here to 12-1 Orange Bowl champions. If he had merely made us respectable, dayenu, yet he did so much more.
BC
(10-11-2022, 03:53 AM)JohnR34231 Wrote:(10-10-2022, 10:21 PM)BostonCard Wrote: I think we had a pretty realistic view that Harbaugh’s ambition was to coach in the NFL, and after a couple years, Harbaugh was a hot enough property that it was a matter of when, not if. I think the dalliance with Kansas left a bit of a sour taste, but really, one can’t blame him for too much. We went from 1-11 the year before he was here to 12-1 Orange Bowl champions. If he had merely made us respectable, dayenu, yet he did so much more.
BC
I think Stanford fans were more or less used to coaches coming in here, having some success and then taking off for a perceived better position. It happened with Ralston, Walsh, Green, Willingham, so I don't think people were too surprised when Harbaugh did it also. From what I understand, Harbaugh's personality rubbed some people the wrong way, so perhaps some weren't too disappointed when he left.
Shaw, on the other hand, was willing to stay around after he was successful so I always liked him because of that. His time has clearly passed, so I hope he and the Stanford powers-that-be are willing to see that and take appropriate action.
(10-11-2022, 03:53 AM)JohnR34231 Wrote:(10-10-2022, 10:21 PM)BostonCard Wrote: I think we had a pretty realistic view that Harbaugh’s ambition was to coach in the NFL, and after a couple years, Harbaugh was a hot enough property that it was a matter of when, not if. I think the dalliance with Kansas left a bit of a sour taste, but really, one can’t blame him for too much. We went from 1-11 the year before he was here to 12-1 Orange Bowl champions. If he had merely made us respectable, dayenu, yet he did so much more.
BC
I think Stanford fans were more or less used to coaches coming in here, having some success and then taking off for a perceived better position. It happened with Ralston, Walsh, Green, Willingham, so I don't think people were too surprised when Harbaugh did it also. From what I understand, Harbaugh's personality rubbed some people the wrong way, so perhaps some weren't too disappointed when he left.
Shaw, on the other hand, was willing to stay around after he was successful so I always liked him because of that. His time has clearly passed, so I hope he and the Stanford powers-that-be are willing to see that and take appropriate action.
