[AlbanyCardinal]

Definitely Davis b/c that felt like a real upset. Sac St.'s victory felt like less of one. I'm following my son's lead on the season in general: reclaim the axe and the season is salvaged, even if the final record's 2-10.

Most painful loss since 2000- Davis or Sac St (2023)?

I had the unfortunate privilege of watching both from the stands.  I think Davis hurt worse but it’s close!

[AlbanyCardinal]

Definitely Davis b/c that felt like a real upset. Sac St.'s victory felt like less of one. I'm following my son's lead on the season in general: reclaim the axe and the season is salvaged, even if the final record's 2-10.

Most painful loss since 2000- Davis or Sac St (2023)?

I had the unfortunate privilege of watching both from the stands.  I think Davis hurt worse but it’s close!

[Sam Leopold]

I was at the Davis game in 2005.  On my way out of the stadium I was in a call with some friends, and I distinctly remember telling them that I was ready to vomit into my phone.

This game isn't that at all.  For one, much of the Sacramento State players are Taylor's roster.  He built the team that did this to Stanford.  For another thing the Hornets took our field with big chips on their shoulders and a mission to slam a point home, and Taylor is in game three of rebuilding a program that had devolved and crumbled into ruin.  The Davis game was a lightning bolt out of a mostly clear sky.  Since Taylor was hired here last December this game has been a fuel rod that would make a Geiger counter crackle, and as it happened it went thermo last night.

Dare I argue that Taylor should be bestowed more credit for Sacramento State winning this game, than given blame for Stanford losing it?

[Sam Leopold]

I was at the Davis game in 2005.  On my way out of the stadium I was in a call with some friends, and I distinctly remember telling them that I was ready to vomit into my phone.

This game isn't that at all.  For one, much of the Sacramento State players are Taylor's roster.  He built the team that did this to Stanford.  For another thing the Hornets took our field with big chips on their shoulders and a mission to slam a point home, and Taylor is in game three of rebuilding a program that had devolved and crumbled into ruin.  The Davis game was a lightning bolt out of a mostly clear sky.  Since Taylor was hired here last December this game has been a fuel rod that would make a Geiger counter crackle, and as it happened it went thermo last night.

Dare I argue that Taylor should be bestowed more credit for Sacramento State winning this game, than given blame for Stanford losing it?

[SamuelMcF]

Name a coach one year after a bowl game who was fired.  Well a sober one that is.

Here are ten.

- Mike Riley (Nebraska)
- Paul Chryst (Wisconsin)
- Jim McElwain (Florida)
- Sonny Dykes (Cal)
- Barry Odom (Mizzou)
- Jeremy Pruitt (Tennessee)
- Gary Patterson (TCU)
- Tom Herman (Texas, won a bowl game the next year and was still fired)
- Gene Chizik (Auburn, won the natty 2 years earlier)
- Gus Malzahn (Auburn, won a bowl game the next year and was still fired)

[SamuelMcF]

Name a coach one year after a bowl game who was fired.  Well a sober one that is.

Here are ten.

- Mike Riley (Nebraska)
- Paul Chryst (Wisconsin)
- Jim McElwain (Florida)
- Sonny Dykes (Cal)
- Barry Odom (Mizzou)
- Jeremy Pruitt (Tennessee)
- Gary Patterson (TCU)
- Tom Herman (Texas, won a bowl game the next year and was still fired)
- Gene Chizik (Auburn, won the natty 2 years earlier)
- Gus Malzahn (Auburn, won a bowl game the next year and was still fired)

[Mick]

According to my UMich friends and contacts, Harbaugh was on the hot seat almost from the moment he arrived. He's won 10 or more games in five of his seven complete seasons, and won 8 and 9 in the other two.

Incidentally, he's continuing Bo Schembechler's wretched bowl game record. Harbaugh won his first bowl game (2016 Citrus Bowl) and lost the next six bowl games.

[Mick]

According to my UMich friends and contacts, Harbaugh was on the hot seat almost from the moment he arrived. He's won 10 or more games in five of his seven complete seasons, and won 8 and 9 in the other two.

Incidentally, he's continuing Bo Schembechler's wretched bowl game record. Harbaugh won his first bowl game (2016 Citrus Bowl) and lost the next six bowl games.

[JohnR34231]

According to my UMich friends and contacts, Harbaugh was on the hot seat almost from the moment he arrived. He's won 10 or more games in five of his seven complete seasons, and won 8 and 9 in the other two.

Incidentally, he's continuing Bo Schembechler's wretched bowl game record. Harbaugh won his first bowl game (2016 Citrus Bowl) and lost the next six bowl games.

Reminds me of the old joke.

Q. Why at breakfast does Bo's wife always serve him his Cheerios on a plate?
A. Because if she puts them in a bowl he'll lose them.

[JohnR34231]

According to my UMich friends and contacts, Harbaugh was on the hot seat almost from the moment he arrived. He's won 10 or more games in five of his seven complete seasons, and won 8 and 9 in the other two.

Incidentally, he's continuing Bo Schembechler's wretched bowl game record. Harbaugh won his first bowl game (2016 Citrus Bowl) and lost the next six bowl games.

Reminds me of the old joke.

Q. Why at breakfast does Bo's wife always serve him his Cheerios on a plate?
A. Because if she puts them in a bowl he'll lose them.

[OutsiderFan]

The most painful loss I've ever witnessed was when #4 Stanford lost at unranked USC in 2013.

[OutsiderFan]

The most painful loss I've ever witnessed was when #4 Stanford lost at unranked USC in 2013.

[French Rage]

FWIW, in the UC-Davis season we went 5-6, and I'm sure most of us would be thrilled with a similar record this season.

[French Rage]

FWIW, in the UC-Davis season we went 5-6, and I'm sure most of us would be thrilled with a similar record this season.

[jacket3ree]

The most painful losses for me were the Oregon games that cost a shot at a title.  Even the 2015 Northwestern loss, which in retrospect also kept Stanford out of the playoff.  The 2005 Davis game wasn't even the most painful loss that year. That honor goes to the UCLA loss.  There were three losses that were winnable games in 2005 - Davis, UCLA, and ND; which could have meant a nine-win season and maybe Harris survives the 1-11 aftermath, or doesn't even have the 1-11 aftermath. The ND loss was excruciating if I remember right (and I might not), but was mitigated by getting to beat the shit out of the old stadium on our way out, with excavators lining up to do it for real. That was a cool stunt, by the way.

I think this year's loss probably cements 1-11, but 2-10 is the same, Sac State is better than Stanford, and this is no more surprising than had Stanford won. Just keep telling myself to be patient with the regime in an era where patience seems really optional.  Frankly, I wanted Colorado State to win more than I cared about Stanford, because my Buff alum sister was at Folsom wearing the green and orange since her husband is now a department chair in Ft. Collins. I also want to see how Prime handles a loss, but the difference in attitude between Boulder and Palo Alto is on par with the difference in altitude. Nothing like complete roster turnover, which would help Stanford and Taylor, but ain't gonna happen. 

And to bury a question: what if most of the Stanford team portals on out of here?  Is one for one replacement allowed, or are there maxima per class or per total roster?

[jacket3ree]

The most painful losses for me were the Oregon games that cost a shot at a title.  Even the 2015 Northwestern loss, which in retrospect also kept Stanford out of the playoff.  The 2005 Davis game wasn't even the most painful loss that year. That honor goes to the UCLA loss.  There were three losses that were winnable games in 2005 - Davis, UCLA, and ND; which could have meant a nine-win season and maybe Harris survives the 1-11 aftermath, or doesn't even have the 1-11 aftermath. The ND loss was excruciating if I remember right (and I might not), but was mitigated by getting to beat the shit out of the old stadium on our way out, with excavators lining up to do it for real. That was a cool stunt, by the way.

I think this year's loss probably cements 1-11, but 2-10 is the same, Sac State is better than Stanford, and this is no more surprising than had Stanford won. Just keep telling myself to be patient with the regime in an era where patience seems really optional.  Frankly, I wanted Colorado State to win more than I cared about Stanford, because my Buff alum sister was at Folsom wearing the green and orange since her husband is now a department chair in Ft. Collins. I also want to see how Prime handles a loss, but the difference in attitude between Boulder and Palo Alto is on par with the difference in altitude. Nothing like complete roster turnover, which would help Stanford and Taylor, but ain't gonna happen. 

And to bury a question: what if most of the Stanford team portals on out of here?  Is one for one replacement allowed, or are there maxima per class or per total roster?

[SamuelMcF]

And to bury a question: what if most of the Stanford team portals on out of here?  Is one for one replacement allowed, or are there maxima per class or per total roster?

Up until last year there was a 25-man cap on signing "initial counters" - HS recruits or transfers, combined. That limit was removed for the 2023 and 2024 classes, hence Deion being able to do what he did at Colorado. (There were plenty of other schools who did similar, just not to the same degree.)

There is a maximum of 85 scholarship players on a roster at any given time regardless of the above.

[SamuelMcF]

And to bury a question: what if most of the Stanford team portals on out of here?  Is one for one replacement allowed, or are there maxima per class or per total roster?

Up until last year there was a 25-man cap on signing "initial counters" - HS recruits or transfers, combined. That limit was removed for the 2023 and 2024 classes, hence Deion being able to do what he did at Colorado. (There were plenty of other schools who did similar, just not to the same degree.)

There is a maximum of 85 scholarship players on a roster at any given time regardless of the above.

[mutoo1]

i would bet my last dollar that last year, before he ever thought he had a chance to become stanford's head coach, troy taylor was looking forward to playing stanford this year because he knew his team could beat shaw's team and doing so would provide even more evidence sac state was a very good team and program with excellent coaches and overachieving, focused players.

so, coach taylor could not have been all that surprised with the outcome last week given that he must know this stanford team is worse off this year talent-wise with all the transfers and no proven qb.

[mutoo1]

i would bet my last dollar that last year, before he ever thought he had a chance to become stanford's head coach, troy taylor was looking forward to playing stanford this year because he knew his team could beat shaw's team and doing so would provide even more evidence sac state was a very good team and program with excellent coaches and overachieving, focused players.

so, coach taylor could not have been all that surprised with the outcome last week given that he must know this stanford team is worse off this year talent-wise with all the transfers and no proven qb.