[fullmetal]

They don't make DL coaches like Randy Hart anymore.

As much as a head coach matters, I think this season highlights the importance of the assistant coaches and coordinators.  Stanford has to coach up the diamonds in the rough.

[fullmetal]

They don't make DL coaches like Randy Hart anymore.

As much as a head coach matters, I think this season highlights the importance of the assistant coaches and coordinators.  Stanford has to coach up the diamonds in the rough.

[BostonCard]

The number of defensive linemen that were implicated in PED suspensions in the NFL do make one wonder how much credit Hart, Turley, and Harbaugh should get and how much credit we should be giving the pharmacist.

BC

[BostonCard]

The number of defensive linemen that were implicated in PED suspensions in the NFL do make one wonder how much credit Hart, Turley, and Harbaugh should get and how much credit we should be giving the pharmacist.

BC

[GK3]

I've thought that this is Tavita's job. 

If not, I suspect it could be one of Pep Hamilton, Derek Mason, or Willie Taggart.

All experienced with Stanford, Andrew Luck, and the NFL.

From my distant easy chair position, I'd be good with Pritchard.
Sometimes youth and energy can compensate for less experience.

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Sometimes experience can be detrimental.
If it brings an attitude of: I know what I'm doing, I've done it before, I'm doing it again, my way. Leave me alone, don't tell me what to do , don't question me.
The alternative is: I'm new here, new to this, I have ideas, but I'm eager to hear from others, get advice, work together as a team to find/build success.
Stanford's team is the double L's: Luck and Levin, plus new AD, plus any others close involved in the football program.

I think it is a find to hire a new up and comer IF he is willing to listen to guys like Luck and hire a couple of experienced coordinators then let them do their job.  All the stuff Shaw wouldn't do.

[GK3]

I've thought that this is Tavita's job. 

If not, I suspect it could be one of Pep Hamilton, Derek Mason, or Willie Taggart.

All experienced with Stanford, Andrew Luck, and the NFL.

From my distant easy chair position, I'd be good with Pritchard.
Sometimes youth and energy can compensate for less experience.

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Sometimes experience can be detrimental.
If it brings an attitude of: I know what I'm doing, I've done it before, I'm doing it again, my way. Leave me alone, don't tell me what to do , don't question me.
The alternative is: I'm new here, new to this, I have ideas, but I'm eager to hear from others, get advice, work together as a team to find/build success.
Stanford's team is the double L's: Luck and Levin, plus new AD, plus any others close involved in the football program.

I think it is a find to hire a new up and comer IF he is willing to listen to guys like Luck and hire a couple of experienced coordinators then let them do their job.  All the stuff Shaw wouldn't do.

[BostonCard]

I am not right about everything but I have said for, oh, a couple decades that Belichick is the most overrated putz ever. What has he ever done without Brady? He is nothing compared to Saban and I can honestly say that I’ve said for many years that coaches who have succeeded in multiple contexts are better than him. I of course mean people like Saban, Meyer, and Harbaugh but honestly I think people like James Franklin and Matt Campbell are better coaches than Belichick. Flat out. So the example of Belichick finding yet another place he sucked at without Brady is not as cautionary as it would be if I thought he deserved a fraction of his reputation. 

That being said, I did think this would turn out a lot better for him due to the recruiting boost/signaling mechanism aspects of the hire. I thought he might eventually sputter but that it would be a profound initial spark. This was worse than I could have imagined. 

I do think there is something to be said for the new environment making coaching cachet less significant. I am surprised O’Brien hasn’t done better at Boston College. In this environment it may be more about cold hard finances, leadership, and coaching acumen (as opppsed to coaching cachet) than the sugar high of an initial hire.

I think many of the names you cited (Saban and Mayer especially, maybe Kelly) retired from head coaching because they were effective at the “recruit, develop, retain, win” paradigm, and saw that success in the NIL era was going to take a different skill set.  Swinny has stayed and, IMHO to his credit “stubbornly” clung on to the old way of doing things, and, while his record has been quite enviable and I would love to have him here, there is a very clear drop-off after 2021 Alston decision opened the NIL floodgates.  From 2015-2020, Clemson never finished with a worse ranking than #4, won 2 national titles, and played a total of four national title games and another two Sugar Bowls (playoff appearances), never having lost more than 2 losses in the season.  Since 2021, Clemson has never finished better than 13th or had fewer than 3 losses.  Of course, that is a level that we all would be ecstatic to “fall” to (a bowl game every year, ending the season ranked every year, an ACC title and two CFP playoff appearances), but it is a stark drop for a team that was elite in the pre-Alston era is merely very good now, presumably because it hasn’t adapted to the changed landscape.

BC

[BostonCard]

I am not right about everything but I have said for, oh, a couple decades that Belichick is the most overrated putz ever. What has he ever done without Brady? He is nothing compared to Saban and I can honestly say that I’ve said for many years that coaches who have succeeded in multiple contexts are better than him. I of course mean people like Saban, Meyer, and Harbaugh but honestly I think people like James Franklin and Matt Campbell are better coaches than Belichick. Flat out. So the example of Belichick finding yet another place he sucked at without Brady is not as cautionary as it would be if I thought he deserved a fraction of his reputation. 

That being said, I did think this would turn out a lot better for him due to the recruiting boost/signaling mechanism aspects of the hire. I thought he might eventually sputter but that it would be a profound initial spark. This was worse than I could have imagined. 

I do think there is something to be said for the new environment making coaching cachet less significant. I am surprised O’Brien hasn’t done better at Boston College. In this environment it may be more about cold hard finances, leadership, and coaching acumen (as opppsed to coaching cachet) than the sugar high of an initial hire.

I think many of the names you cited (Saban and Mayer especially, maybe Kelly) retired from head coaching because they were effective at the “recruit, develop, retain, win” paradigm, and saw that success in the NIL era was going to take a different skill set.  Swinny has stayed and, IMHO to his credit “stubbornly” clung on to the old way of doing things, and, while his record has been quite enviable and I would love to have him here, there is a very clear drop-off after 2021 Alston decision opened the NIL floodgates.  From 2015-2020, Clemson never finished with a worse ranking than #4, won 2 national titles, and played a total of four national title games and another two Sugar Bowls (playoff appearances), never having lost more than 2 losses in the season.  Since 2021, Clemson has never finished better than 13th or had fewer than 3 losses.  Of course, that is a level that we all would be ecstatic to “fall” to (a bowl game every year, ending the season ranked every year, an ACC title and two CFP playoff appearances), but it is a stark drop for a team that was elite in the pre-Alston era is merely very good now, presumably because it hasn’t adapted to the changed landscape.

BC

[82lsju]

I am not right about everything but I have said for, oh, a couple decades that Belichick is the most overrated putz ever. What has he ever done without Brady? He is nothing compared to Saban and I can honestly say that I’ve said for many years that coaches who have succeeded in multiple contexts are better than him. I of course mean people like Saban, Meyer, and Harbaugh but honestly I think people like James Franklin and Matt Campbell are better coaches than Belichick. Flat out. So the example of Belichick finding yet another place he sucked at without Brady is not as cautionary as it would be if I thought he deserved a fraction of his reputation. 

That being said, I did think this would turn out a lot better for him due to the recruiting boost/signaling mechanism aspects of the hire. I thought he might eventually sputter but that it would be a profound initial spark. This was worse than I could have imagined. 

I do think there is something to be said for the new environment making coaching cachet less significant. I am surprised O’Brien hasn’t done better at Boston College. In this environment it may be more about cold hard finances, leadership, and coaching acumen (as opppsed to coaching cachet) than the sugar high of an initial hire.

I find this headline amusing....

Jordon Hudson's boyfriend could hit college football rock bottom at Cal
North Carolina plays at Cal in a nationally televised ACC showdown on Friday night

https://www.sfgate.com/collegesports/art...00017685f1

[82lsju]

I am not right about everything but I have said for, oh, a couple decades that Belichick is the most overrated putz ever. What has he ever done without Brady? He is nothing compared to Saban and I can honestly say that I’ve said for many years that coaches who have succeeded in multiple contexts are better than him. I of course mean people like Saban, Meyer, and Harbaugh but honestly I think people like James Franklin and Matt Campbell are better coaches than Belichick. Flat out. So the example of Belichick finding yet another place he sucked at without Brady is not as cautionary as it would be if I thought he deserved a fraction of his reputation. 

That being said, I did think this would turn out a lot better for him due to the recruiting boost/signaling mechanism aspects of the hire. I thought he might eventually sputter but that it would be a profound initial spark. This was worse than I could have imagined. 

I do think there is something to be said for the new environment making coaching cachet less significant. I am surprised O’Brien hasn’t done better at Boston College. In this environment it may be more about cold hard finances, leadership, and coaching acumen (as opppsed to coaching cachet) than the sugar high of an initial hire.

I find this headline amusing....

Jordon Hudson's boyfriend could hit college football rock bottom at Cal
North Carolina plays at Cal in a nationally televised ACC showdown on Friday night

https://www.sfgate.com/collegesports/art...00017685f1

[Goose]

I find this headline amusing....

Jordon Hudson's boyfriend could hit college football rock bottom at Cal
North Carolina plays at Cal in a nationally televised ACC showdown on Friday night

https://www.sfgate.com/collegesports/art...00017685f1

The question of what happens to Belichick if UNC loses is indeed an interesting one.  However, I am even more interested in what happens to Wilcox if Kal loses. He is coming in as a favorite, he is playing at home, and so far UNC has shown nothing. What does it say about the Kal staff if they can't win under those conditions?

[Goose]

I find this headline amusing....

Jordon Hudson's boyfriend could hit college football rock bottom at Cal
North Carolina plays at Cal in a nationally televised ACC showdown on Friday night

https://www.sfgate.com/collegesports/art...00017685f1

The question of what happens to Belichick if UNC loses is indeed an interesting one.  However, I am even more interested in what happens to Wilcox if Kal loses. He is coming in as a favorite, he is playing at home, and so far UNC has shown nothing. What does it say about the Kal staff if they can't win under those conditions?

[jacket3ree]

The other way to approach this is not who we think is best and will Luck find him, but who will Luck find and what do we think of that?

He has a circle of coaching confidants. I could see him asking around and getting reverse-Levined: "Hey, what about me?"

Jon Gruden has a lot of baggage. How desperate does this get? Certainly signal messaging something.

[jacket3ree]

The other way to approach this is not who we think is best and will Luck find him, but who will Luck find and what do we think of that?

He has a circle of coaching confidants. I could see him asking around and getting reverse-Levined: "Hey, what about me?"

Jon Gruden has a lot of baggage. How desperate does this get? Certainly signal messaging something.

[BostonCard]

Two other considerations:

Not a good look to hire a guy with baggage when you had to fire the last guy because of “issues”.

Also would not be a good look to open the wallet and make a splashy hire when there is a hiring freeze and layoffs within the last 6 months, and the athletics department is operating at a large deficit, and the University is forced to step in with money because of our quest to be relevant by joining a conference that literally has the other coast in its name.  Even if we can get donors to step up, there will be a lot of resentment amongst the faculty

BC

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Going big to throw resources around and try to poach a big-time coach: Matt Campbell, Lance Leipold, Curt Cignetti, Jonathan Smith, Bret Bielema, Scott Satterfield, Dave Doeren, Kenny Dillingham, Willie Fritz, Chris Klieman, PJ Fleck, Mike Locksley, Fran Brown, Barry Odom

Not that it was going to happen, but scratch Cignetti from the list (and from Penn State’s list).

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...h-cignetti

BC

[BostonCard]

Two other considerations:

Not a good look to hire a guy with baggage when you had to fire the last guy because of “issues”.

Also would not be a good look to open the wallet and make a splashy hire when there is a hiring freeze and layoffs within the last 6 months, and the athletics department is operating at a large deficit, and the University is forced to step in with money because of our quest to be relevant by joining a conference that literally has the other coast in its name.  Even if we can get donors to step up, there will be a lot of resentment amongst the faculty

BC

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Going big to throw resources around and try to poach a big-time coach: Matt Campbell, Lance Leipold, Curt Cignetti, Jonathan Smith, Bret Bielema, Scott Satterfield, Dave Doeren, Kenny Dillingham, Willie Fritz, Chris Klieman, PJ Fleck, Mike Locksley, Fran Brown, Barry Odom

Not that it was going to happen, but scratch Cignetti from the list (and from Penn State’s list).

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...h-cignetti

BC

[SkiBum80]

1760668099[/url]']
Two other considerations:

Not a good look to hire a guy with baggage when you had to fire the last guy because of “issues”.

Also would not be a good look to open the wallet and make a splashy hire when there is a hiring freeze and layoffs within the last 6 months, and the athletics department is operating at a large deficit, and the University is forced to step in with money because of our quest to be relevant by joining a conference that literally has the other coast in its name.  Even if we can get donors to step up, there will be a lot of resentment amongst the faculty

BC

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1760459388[/url]']
Going big to throw resources around and try to poach a big-time coach: Matt Campbell, Lance Leipold, Curt Cignetti, Jonathan Smith, Bret Bielema, Scott Satterfield, Dave Doeren, Kenny Dillingham, Willie Fritz, Chris Klieman, PJ Fleck, Mike Locksley, Fran Brown, Barry Odom

Not that it was going to happen, but scratch Cignetti from the list (and from Penn State’s list).

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...h-cignetti

BC

I have a friend who is an IU alumnus. 
I texted him his university would be hitting him up to fund $1mil of the new contract so get his wallet ready. He’s more likely to avoid taking the call.

[SkiBum80]

1760668099[/url]']
Two other considerations:

Not a good look to hire a guy with baggage when you had to fire the last guy because of “issues”.

Also would not be a good look to open the wallet and make a splashy hire when there is a hiring freeze and layoffs within the last 6 months, and the athletics department is operating at a large deficit, and the University is forced to step in with money because of our quest to be relevant by joining a conference that literally has the other coast in its name.  Even if we can get donors to step up, there will be a lot of resentment amongst the faculty

BC

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1760459388[/url]']
Going big to throw resources around and try to poach a big-time coach: Matt Campbell, Lance Leipold, Curt Cignetti, Jonathan Smith, Bret Bielema, Scott Satterfield, Dave Doeren, Kenny Dillingham, Willie Fritz, Chris Klieman, PJ Fleck, Mike Locksley, Fran Brown, Barry Odom

Not that it was going to happen, but scratch Cignetti from the list (and from Penn State’s list).

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...h-cignetti

BC

I have a friend who is an IU alumnus. 
I texted him his university would be hitting him up to fund $1mil of the new contract so get his wallet ready. He’s more likely to avoid taking the call.

[Treefence]

I hope we can get a guy of his caliber, as previously mentioned he won at Vandy, when the SEC was pretty stacked overall, obviously that doesn't mean the team was held to the same standard Stanford is, and it was before the recruiting changes, but I think he has a big enough name that he would be an immediate bump to recruiting.  I just wonder if he'd even consider Stanford as a potential destination.

[Treefence]

I hope we can get a guy of his caliber, as previously mentioned he won at Vandy, when the SEC was pretty stacked overall, obviously that doesn't mean the team was held to the same standard Stanford is, and it was before the recruiting changes, but I think he has a big enough name that he would be an immediate bump to recruiting.  I just wonder if he'd even consider Stanford as a potential destination.

[TheFarm07]

ESPN ranks us #6 in college football openings: https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...-every-job

"Stanford's recent on-field struggles, awkward placement in the ACC and limited recruiting pool creates some unavoidable obstacles, but Luck's leadership and a renewed commitment to the program generates genuine hope."

[TheFarm07]

ESPN ranks us #6 in college football openings: https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...-every-job

"Stanford's recent on-field struggles, awkward placement in the ACC and limited recruiting pool creates some unavoidable obstacles, but Luck's leadership and a renewed commitment to the program generates genuine hope."

[82lsju]

ESPN ranks us #6 in college football openings: https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...-every-job

"Stanford's recent on-field struggles, awkward placement in the ACC and limited recruiting pool creates some unavoidable obstacles, but Luck's leadership and a renewed commitment to the program generates genuine hope."

at least we're ahead of UCLA.....

[82lsju]

ESPN ranks us #6 in college football openings: https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...-every-job

"Stanford's recent on-field struggles, awkward placement in the ACC and limited recruiting pool creates some unavoidable obstacles, but Luck's leadership and a renewed commitment to the program generates genuine hope."

at least we're ahead of UCLA.....

[SkiBum80]

ESPN ranks us #6 in college football openings: https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...-every-job

"Stanford's recent on-field struggles, awkward placement in the ACC and limited recruiting pool creates some unavoidable obstacles, but Luck's leadership and a renewed commitment to the program generates genuine hope."

All that is fair. I just want to point out that the criticism of "awkward placement in the ACC" should be considered in view of the fact,
that were we not in the ACC, we would not be close to even being included on any list like that.

[SkiBum80]

ESPN ranks us #6 in college football openings: https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...-every-job

"Stanford's recent on-field struggles, awkward placement in the ACC and limited recruiting pool creates some unavoidable obstacles, but Luck's leadership and a renewed commitment to the program generates genuine hope."

All that is fair. I just want to point out that the criticism of "awkward placement in the ACC" should be considered in view of the fact,
that were we not in the ACC, we would not be close to even being included on any list like that.

[cctop]

ESPN ranks us #6 in college football openings: https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...-every-job

#6 sounded good until I saw that there are only 7 on the list. We're above only UCLA.

[cctop]

ESPN ranks us #6 in college football openings: https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...-every-job

#6 sounded good until I saw that there are only 7 on the list. We're above only UCLA.

[Mick]

Sad to read the description:

- Three straight AP top-7 finishes from 2010 to 2012
- Went 85-23 (.787), T6 for best winning percentage in the country from 2010 - 2017.
- Finished #3 in 2015
- Finished outside of AP Top 20 just once from 2010 to 2017.

We're low because we're not optimized for NIL or the portal (too difficult to get good transfers), too much travel in multiple time zones, terrible offseason losing top players, although recruiting seems to be improving.

I liked the "industry source" comment "If they can get back to recruiting good linemen, good tight ends, a good quarterback, good defensive line..."

GM Luck, SU Pres. Levin, and AD Donahoe are all viewed as positives, plus the Freeman donation. Could be a really strong next 5-10 years.

[Mick]

Sad to read the description:

- Three straight AP top-7 finishes from 2010 to 2012
- Went 85-23 (.787), T6 for best winning percentage in the country from 2010 - 2017.
- Finished #3 in 2015
- Finished outside of AP Top 20 just once from 2010 to 2017.

We're low because we're not optimized for NIL or the portal (too difficult to get good transfers), too much travel in multiple time zones, terrible offseason losing top players, although recruiting seems to be improving.

I liked the "industry source" comment "If they can get back to recruiting good linemen, good tight ends, a good quarterback, good defensive line..."

GM Luck, SU Pres. Levin, and AD Donahoe are all viewed as positives, plus the Freeman donation. Could be a really strong next 5-10 years.

[ADPinWDC]

#NotFranklin (baggage; doesn't fit Stanford culture)
#NotPritchard (little real recruiting heft) 

Swing high: Urban Meyer.  Mega splash.  
Recruitment magnet; Harbaugh dealt with admissions. 
Bolster with more NIL -- new $50 million from Freedman
How much does new $50M affect who we could get? 

Goldilocks: NDAM OffCo Denbrock
Was our TE coach under Willingham in 2000. 
Willingham took him to NDAM, an endorsement.
Can handle selective admissions.
Get big five-star Catholic HS O-Line.

[ADPinWDC]

#NotFranklin (baggage; doesn't fit Stanford culture)
#NotPritchard (little real recruiting heft) 

Swing high: Urban Meyer.  Mega splash.  
Recruitment magnet; Harbaugh dealt with admissions. 
Bolster with more NIL -- new $50 million from Freedman
How much does new $50M affect who we could get? 

Goldilocks: NDAM OffCo Denbrock
Was our TE coach under Willingham in 2000. 
Willingham took him to NDAM, an endorsement.
Can handle selective admissions.
Get big five-star Catholic HS O-Line.

[82lsju]

Bolster with more NIL -- new $50 million from Freedman
How much does new $50M affect who we could get? 

assuming it is an endowment ~$2.5m/year.  As I recall part of the gift is to endow 4 or 5 scholarships which would be ~$100k/year/scholarship so $400k-$500k/year of the ~$2.5m leaving ~$2m to spend on whatever.

[82lsju]

Bolster with more NIL -- new $50 million from Freedman
How much does new $50M affect who we could get? 

assuming it is an endowment ~$2.5m/year.  As I recall part of the gift is to endow 4 or 5 scholarships which would be ~$100k/year/scholarship so $400k-$500k/year of the ~$2.5m leaving ~$2m to spend on whatever.

[fullmetal]

Urban Meyer's not a culture fit either.

[fullmetal]

Urban Meyer's not a culture fit either.

[chrisk]

Bolster with more NIL -- new $50 million from Freedman
How much does new $50M affect who we could get? 

assuming it is an endowment ~$2.5m/year.  As I recall part of the gift is to endow 4 or 5 scholarships which would be ~$100k/year/scholarship so $400k-$500k/year of the ~$2.5m leaving ~$2m to spend on whatever.

The press release mentioned first mentions "significant support for institutional NIL" and then the 5 new scholarships.

[chrisk]

Bolster with more NIL -- new $50 million from Freedman
How much does new $50M affect who we could get? 

assuming it is an endowment ~$2.5m/year.  As I recall part of the gift is to endow 4 or 5 scholarships which would be ~$100k/year/scholarship so $400k-$500k/year of the ~$2.5m leaving ~$2m to spend on whatever.

The press release mentioned first mentions "significant support for institutional NIL" and then the 5 new scholarships.

[82lsju]

Bolster with more NIL -- new $50 million from Freedman
How much does new $50M affect who we could get? 

assuming it is an endowment ~$2.5m/year.  As I recall part of the gift is to endow 4 or 5 scholarships which would be ~$100k/year/scholarship so $400k-$500k/year of the ~$2.5m leaving ~$2m to spend on whatever.

The press release mentioned first mentions "significant support for institutional NIL" and then the 5 new scholarships.

it did, but I would guess the gift will be used as an endowment not operating expenses so they'd have ~$2m/year to throw at NIL.  And the gift may show up in phases not all at once.

[82lsju]

Bolster with more NIL -- new $50 million from Freedman
How much does new $50M affect who we could get? 

assuming it is an endowment ~$2.5m/year.  As I recall part of the gift is to endow 4 or 5 scholarships which would be ~$100k/year/scholarship so $400k-$500k/year of the ~$2.5m leaving ~$2m to spend on whatever.

The press release mentioned first mentions "significant support for institutional NIL" and then the 5 new scholarships.

it did, but I would guess the gift will be used as an endowment not operating expenses so they'd have ~$2m/year to throw at NIL.  And the gift may show up in phases not all at once.