[ChicagoCard]

Without more bonehead moves to go with the recent one, the question of how Shayne Skov will be able to play a part next September will have much more to do with his recovery, or not, from the knee injury than suspension for two games (unless something other than that). Around 30 years ago S.U. had it's best middle linebacker in Dave Wyman probably since Jeff Siemon. But he had a knee injury late in his S.U. career and didn't ever seem to be the same. U. Washington lost a dominating middle linebacker in practice before their 1985 Orange Bowl, Joe Krakowski. Not much was heard of him after that. Then again, are there many examples of players recovering more or less fully from a bad knee injury and not going on to sustain further injuries? How much has medicine improved to make it more likely for injured players to return to pre-injury capabilities?

[ChicagoCard]

Without more bonehead moves to go with the recent one, the question of how Shayne Skov will be able to play a part next September will have much more to do with his recovery, or not, from the knee injury than suspension for two games (unless something other than that). Around 30 years ago S.U. had it's best middle linebacker in Dave Wyman probably since Jeff Siemon. But he had a knee injury late in his S.U. career and didn't ever seem to be the same. U. Washington lost a dominating middle linebacker in practice before their 1985 Orange Bowl, Joe Krakowski. Not much was heard of him after that. Then again, are there many examples of players recovering more or less fully from a bad knee injury and not going on to sustain further injuries? How much has medicine improved to make it more likely for injured players to return to pre-injury capabilities?

[washingtonismoney]

I've been thinking that the assumption that Skov will return to pre-injury form is perhaps overly optimistic. Chris Owusu didn't. John Paye didn't. To switch sports, Dan Grunfeld didn't. Other guys, of course, have. We won't know until we see him play.

Certainly the assumption that he'll do it within a year is highly over-optimistic. If you look at someone like Donta Hightower, who had a bad ACL injury in 2009--he didn't really get back to heat-seeking missile status until 2011.

[washingtonismoney]

I've been thinking that the assumption that Skov will return to pre-injury form is perhaps overly optimistic. Chris Owusu didn't. John Paye didn't. To switch sports, Dan Grunfeld didn't. Other guys, of course, have. We won't know until we see him play.

Certainly the assumption that he'll do it within a year is highly over-optimistic. If you look at someone like Donta Hightower, who had a bad ACL injury in 2009--he didn't really get back to heat-seeking missile status until 2011.

[Red State]

Ironically, his injury also occurred vs Arizona, late in the '84 season. The injury was so bad that his younger brother, a DL, was crying on the field after observing the severity of it. Dave missed the entire '85 season but came back stronger than ever in '86 and was ultimately a 2nd Rd. pick by the Seahawks. Played 9 years in the NFL.

[Red State]

Ironically, his injury also occurred vs Arizona, late in the '84 season. The injury was so bad that his younger brother, a DL, was crying on the field after observing the severity of it. Dave missed the entire '85 season but came back stronger than ever in '86 and was ultimately a 2nd Rd. pick by the Seahawks. Played 9 years in the NFL.

[ChicagoCard]

Ironically, his injury also occurred vs Arizona, late in the '84 season. The injury was so bad that his younger brother, a DL, was crying on the field after observing the severity of it. Dave missed the entire '85 season but came back stronger than ever in '86 and was ultimately a 2nd Rd. pick by the Seahawks. Played 9 years in the NFL.

That does bring it back, thanks for posting. Right, he missed the entire following season. I didn't realize he had such a successful NFL career. Certainly he was so good that that was somewhat expected... my sense anyway. And you say at Arizona! Wow. Coincidentally, on that natural grass field, in '07 Oregon's Dennis Dixon had his knee injury and then in '10 James Rodgers of Oregon St had his knee injury. Fortunately it won't be until 2013 at the earliest that S.U. goes back there.

[ChicagoCard]

Ironically, his injury also occurred vs Arizona, late in the '84 season. The injury was so bad that his younger brother, a DL, was crying on the field after observing the severity of it. Dave missed the entire '85 season but came back stronger than ever in '86 and was ultimately a 2nd Rd. pick by the Seahawks. Played 9 years in the NFL.

That does bring it back, thanks for posting. Right, he missed the entire following season. I didn't realize he had such a successful NFL career. Certainly he was so good that that was somewhat expected... my sense anyway. And you say at Arizona! Wow. Coincidentally, on that natural grass field, in '07 Oregon's Dennis Dixon had his knee injury and then in '10 James Rodgers of Oregon St had his knee injury. Fortunately it won't be until 2013 at the earliest that S.U. goes back there.

[FarmBoy]

I've been thinking the same thing. It may even be that being forced to sit out a few more games will make him stronger when he actually comes back.

What is the standard punishment in the Pac12 for a first time offense DUI? That's probably not a good question, as there likely isn't a "standard", but I'm curious what other teams and coaches have done in similar situations.

Luckily, LB is an area where we're stacked, and the team has played basically a full season without Skov, so really, this won't be all that disruptive to the team.

[FarmBoy]

I've been thinking the same thing. It may even be that being forced to sit out a few more games will make him stronger when he actually comes back.

What is the standard punishment in the Pac12 for a first time offense DUI? That's probably not a good question, as there likely isn't a "standard", but I'm curious what other teams and coaches have done in similar situations.

Luckily, LB is an area where we're stacked, and the team has played basically a full season without Skov, so really, this won't be all that disruptive to the team.

[jayasena]

What is the standard punishment in the Pac12 for a first time offense DUI? That's probably not a good question, as there likely isn't a "standard", but I'm curious what other teams and coaches have done in similar situations.

I'm not one of the folks demanding Skov be kicked off the team but "what would Chip Kelly do?" is hardly the way to go about this :)

(and yes, I fully expect conference averages to be heavily skewed by Oregon here)

[jayasena]

What is the standard punishment in the Pac12 for a first time offense DUI? That's probably not a good question, as there likely isn't a "standard", but I'm curious what other teams and coaches have done in similar situations.

I'm not one of the folks demanding Skov be kicked off the team but "what would Chip Kelly do?" is hardly the way to go about this :)

(and yes, I fully expect conference averages to be heavily skewed by Oregon here)

[washingtonismoney]

I'd guess the average game suspension for off-season DUIs that don't result in accents...

I think you underestimate the potential tragedy of Shayne Skov developing a Cockney accident. Opponents don't live in fear of a Dickensian scamp.

[washingtonismoney]

I'd guess the average game suspension for off-season DUIs that don't result in accents...

I think you underestimate the potential tragedy of Shayne Skov developing a Cockney accident. Opponents don't live in fear of a Dickensian scamp.

[yvonne]

[quote author=garvin link=topic=5550.msg40542#msg40542 date=1328888197]
I'd guess the average game suspension for off-season DUIs that don't result in accents...

I think you underestimate the potential tragedy of Shayne Skov developing a Cockney accident. Opponents don't live in fear of a Dickensian scamp.
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It's ironic that in poking fun at a malapropism, you made a malapropism.

[yvonne]

[quote author=garvin link=topic=5550.msg40542#msg40542 date=1328888197]
I'd guess the average game suspension for off-season DUIs that don't result in accents...

I think you underestimate the potential tragedy of Shayne Skov developing a Cockney accident. Opponents don't live in fear of a Dickensian scamp.
[/quote]

It's ironic that in poking fun at a malapropism, you made a malapropism.

[washingtonismoney]

It's ironic that in poking fun at a malapropism, you made a malapropism.

Did I? Don't believe I did.

[washingtonismoney]

It's ironic that in poking fun at a malapropism, you made a malapropism.

Did I? Don't believe I did.

[yvonne]

"cockney accident," was that intentional? It came across as your making the reverse mistake that Garvin did.

[yvonne]

"cockney accident," was that intentional? It came across as your making the reverse mistake that Garvin did.

[Kathy]

The 59ers had a couple of basketball players arrested for robbery a few years ago -- they were sticking their cell phones into the back of pedestrians along Telegraph Avenue and telling the victims they were funs -- and neither of them missed a game.

Really? The pedestrians were afraid of a little "fun"?

Thanks, Garvin, you've made my life more meaningful today.  ;)

[Kathy]

The 59ers had a couple of basketball players arrested for robbery a few years ago -- they were sticking their cell phones into the back of pedestrians along Telegraph Avenue and telling the victims they were funs -- and neither of them missed a game.

Really? The pedestrians were afraid of a little "fun"?

Thanks, Garvin, you've made my life more meaningful today.  ;)

[TRD]

Recovering from ACL injuries 30+ yrs ago cannot be compared to modern day recovery. Surgical techniques are vastly superior to thee point that player can absolutely expect to come back from an ACL. Look at Willis McGahee, that was as bad as any injury you'll ever see and he is still playing in the NFL!

[TRD]

Recovering from ACL injuries 30+ yrs ago cannot be compared to modern day recovery. Surgical techniques are vastly superior to thee point that player can absolutely expect to come back from an ACL. Look at Willis McGahee, that was as bad as any injury you'll ever see and he is still playing in the NFL!