[Redrum]

at, of all places, the famous Notre Dame Bollards game.  If Wikipedia had a  linked video in their "Midwesterners" topic, it would have featured the Cubits.  Had to be a great guy if he came from that family.  And it was clear they were lobbying hard for him to ditch Buddy and come back to, as they put it,  "where he belonged."  Guess he got the message and had a pretty good run.

[Redrum]

at, of all places, the famous Notre Dame Bollards game.  If Wikipedia had a  linked video in their "Midwesterners" topic, it would have featured the Cubits.  Had to be a great guy if he came from that family.  And it was clear they were lobbying hard for him to ditch Buddy and come back to, as they put it,  "where he belonged."  Guess he got the message and had a pretty good run.

[Kathy]

Sorry to hear that. Cubit was also an offensive coordinator at Missouri under the late Larry Smith. His son, Ryan, was a QB at one of Columbia's high schools. When MU fired Smith in 2000, Cubit headed to Rutgers, I believe, with his son in tow as the Scarlet Knights' QB. And then, of course, he returned to Western Michigan where he'd been OC, this time as head coach with Ryan as QB  -- was there about 7 or 8 years, wasn't he?

[Kathy]

Sorry to hear that. Cubit was also an offensive coordinator at Missouri under the late Larry Smith. His son, Ryan, was a QB at one of Columbia's high schools. When MU fired Smith in 2000, Cubit headed to Rutgers, I believe, with his son in tow as the Scarlet Knights' QB. And then, of course, he returned to Western Michigan where he'd been OC, this time as head coach with Ryan as QB  -- was there about 7 or 8 years, wasn't he?

[pincemob]

I could be wrong, but the average coaching leash seems to be getting incredibly short.  For awhile there the trend seemed to be in the other direction, where the philosophy seemed to be that 3-4 years was not enough to judge someone (with oft-cited anecdotes like Coach K or Frank Beamer among those whose records were bad for several years before improving). 

Now you have guys like a Tedford, O'Brien, etc, being fired with winning records at schools with really no record of serious achievement.  You have a Chizik canned 2 years after winning it all.  When we got rid of Walt Harris I seem to recall very few cases ever where a guy got only 2 years based on bad performance (which is why I was surprised when he got canned).  Now it seems common, with Embree getting it, same with Turner Gill.  Derek Dooley got 3 years out of his 7 year contract. 

What is driving that?  Is based on driving up attendance?  Or has the view changed with regard to the ability to evaluate a coach earlier?  The buyouts certainly don't seem cheaper. 

[pincemob]

I could be wrong, but the average coaching leash seems to be getting incredibly short.  For awhile there the trend seemed to be in the other direction, where the philosophy seemed to be that 3-4 years was not enough to judge someone (with oft-cited anecdotes like Coach K or Frank Beamer among those whose records were bad for several years before improving). 

Now you have guys like a Tedford, O'Brien, etc, being fired with winning records at schools with really no record of serious achievement.  You have a Chizik canned 2 years after winning it all.  When we got rid of Walt Harris I seem to recall very few cases ever where a guy got only 2 years based on bad performance (which is why I was surprised when he got canned).  Now it seems common, with Embree getting it, same with Turner Gill.  Derek Dooley got 3 years out of his 7 year contract. 

What is driving that?  Is based on driving up attendance?  Or has the view changed with regard to the ability to evaluate a coach earlier?  The buyouts certainly don't seem cheaper. 

[CowboyIndian]

.... with Ryan as QB  -- was there about 7 or 8 years, wasn't he?

Not a great student, I take it.

[CowboyIndian]

.... with Ryan as QB  -- was there about 7 or 8 years, wasn't he?

Not a great student, I take it.

[Kathy]

Actually, Ryan did graduate eventually, but has remained at WMU as an assistant. Don't know if he was fired along with his dad.

[Kathy]

Actually, Ryan did graduate eventually, but has remained at WMU as an assistant. Don't know if he was fired along with his dad.