[FarmBoy]

As an NFL potential HC. He's #3 after after Saban and Kelly as college coaches who would be targets for NFL teams. Interesting that of the 5 college coaches listed, 3 are from the Pac12, 1 SEC and 1 B1G.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/page/hotr...-ready-nfl

[FarmBoy]

As an NFL potential HC. He's #3 after after Saban and Kelly as college coaches who would be targets for NFL teams. Interesting that of the 5 college coaches listed, 3 are from the Pac12, 1 SEC and 1 B1G.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/page/hotr...-ready-nfl

[Hank 91]

That was my first thought as well, but remember Pete Carroll. Failed in the NFL, went back to college, and suddenly became a hot candidate again. I bet people would be willing to take a shot at Saban if he were willing to take their truckloads of money.

[Hank 91]

That was my first thought as well, but remember Pete Carroll. Failed in the NFL, went back to college, and suddenly became a hot candidate again. I bet people would be willing to take a shot at Saban if he were willing to take their truckloads of money.

[Cardinal96]

I love it when our coaches are thought of highly in NFL circles.  It means they are doing a great job.  If I had my way, we would have 5 coaches in the next 20 years.  Each moving up to the NFL after their 4th year of success.

[Cardinal96]

I love it when our coaches are thought of highly in NFL circles.  It means they are doing a great job.  If I had my way, we would have 5 coaches in the next 20 years.  Each moving up to the NFL after their 4th year of success.

[fullmetal]

only if their coordinators were likewise highly successful and competent...reloading after 4-5 years is okay.  rebuilding is not.

[fullmetal]

only if their coordinators were likewise highly successful and competent...reloading after 4-5 years is okay.  rebuilding is not.

[Farm93]

When the NFL season is over, Shaw is going to be mentioned for almost every NFL opening.  Why?  Not only has he pulled off the Luck-free miracle, but he is a minority candidate.  And per the Rooney Rule every NFL opening must include at least one minority candidate.  Talking to Shaw would just be the easy thing to do.

That Rooney Rule stuff is a little scary, but I noticed at the Pac-12 CG that Shaw's kids got to sit at the post-game conference with their dad.  That kid time and family oriented activity stuff will go away if he goes to the NFL.  Can't put a price on that precious parenting time.  Right?

[Farm93]

When the NFL season is over, Shaw is going to be mentioned for almost every NFL opening.  Why?  Not only has he pulled off the Luck-free miracle, but he is a minority candidate.  And per the Rooney Rule every NFL opening must include at least one minority candidate.  Talking to Shaw would just be the easy thing to do.

That Rooney Rule stuff is a little scary, but I noticed at the Pac-12 CG that Shaw's kids got to sit at the post-game conference with their dad.  That kid time and family oriented activity stuff will go away if he goes to the NFL.  Can't put a price on that precious parenting time.  Right?

[76lsjumb]

That Rooney Rule stuff is a little scary, but I noticed at the Pac-12 CG that Shaw's kids got to sit at the post-game conference with their dad.  That kid time and family oriented activity stuff will go away if he goes to the NFL.  Can't put a price on that precious parenting time.  Right?

No, you can't put a price on that...

but, if you could, I've got to believe that a certain South Bay developer who shall remain nameless [other than on the walls of several buildings on the eastern side of the campus] might be willing to give some thought to matching that price...

After all, if Sun Bowl = personal restroom facility, then Pac-12 Champions/Rose Bowl has got to = ????

[76lsjumb]

That Rooney Rule stuff is a little scary, but I noticed at the Pac-12 CG that Shaw's kids got to sit at the post-game conference with their dad.  That kid time and family oriented activity stuff will go away if he goes to the NFL.  Can't put a price on that precious parenting time.  Right?

No, you can't put a price on that...

but, if you could, I've got to believe that a certain South Bay developer who shall remain nameless [other than on the walls of several buildings on the eastern side of the campus] might be willing to give some thought to matching that price...

After all, if Sun Bowl = personal restroom facility, then Pac-12 Champions/Rose Bowl has got to = ????

[akiddoc]

If there is any coach in the country who views Stanford as a final destination, it is Shaw. If he leaves, you can assume we'll never have a longterm coach. He claims he isn't leaving unless fired until his son finishes college.

[akiddoc]

If there is any coach in the country who views Stanford as a final destination, it is Shaw. If he leaves, you can assume we'll never have a longterm coach. He claims he isn't leaving unless fired until his son finishes college.

[Hey]

This was from when Shaw was hired.

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_...on-day-one


Shaw was adamant that this is his dream job. Stanford won't be a coaching stepping stone for him, he said.

"Since the day I started coaching, this is the job I always knew I wanted," he said, then added later. "I wanted this to be my last head coaching interview ever."

[Hey]

This was from when Shaw was hired.

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_...on-day-one


Shaw was adamant that this is his dream job. Stanford won't be a coaching stepping stone for him, he said.

"Since the day I started coaching, this is the job I always knew I wanted," he said, then added later. "I wanted this to be my last head coaching interview ever."

[Bruce Wang]

Dennis Shaw may eventually be lured away from Stanford by a humongous pile of NFL cash. But the Rooney Rule won't have anything to do with it.

Dennis Shaw?  Typo, freudian slip or new nickname?  ;)  (Note that I am Kyle Kevin Hogan's biggest fan.)

[Bruce Wang]

Dennis Shaw may eventually be lured away from Stanford by a humongous pile of NFL cash. But the Rooney Rule won't have anything to do with it.

Dennis Shaw?  Typo, freudian slip or new nickname?  ;)  (Note that I am Kyle Kevin Hogan's biggest fan.)

[Cardinal96]

After the Orange Bowl and Harbaugh's departure, I determined I was done worrying over whether we would lose a coach to the NFL.  I realized how special that Orange Bowl was and the amazing things Harbaugh did for our program.

Don't get me wrong.  I really like David Shaw and hope he decides to stay and coach Stanford for the long haul.  And I hope our Athletic Department is helping make that happen.  I think Shaw is more likely than any Stanford head coach to turn down an NFL offer.  He is a Stanford alum and by all accounts he loves it here.  All that said, I will never criticize anyone for wanting to challenge themselves at the next level like Harbaugh did.  If Shaw decides he wants that challenge, we have to respect that and turn our energy to hiring the next great coach.  The fear of having our coaches poached by the NFL is something we haven't had to worry about for a few decades before Harbaugh and it is a nice worry to have.

[Cardinal96]

After the Orange Bowl and Harbaugh's departure, I determined I was done worrying over whether we would lose a coach to the NFL.  I realized how special that Orange Bowl was and the amazing things Harbaugh did for our program.

Don't get me wrong.  I really like David Shaw and hope he decides to stay and coach Stanford for the long haul.  And I hope our Athletic Department is helping make that happen.  I think Shaw is more likely than any Stanford head coach to turn down an NFL offer.  He is a Stanford alum and by all accounts he loves it here.  All that said, I will never criticize anyone for wanting to challenge themselves at the next level like Harbaugh did.  If Shaw decides he wants that challenge, we have to respect that and turn our energy to hiring the next great coach.  The fear of having our coaches poached by the NFL is something we haven't had to worry about for a few decades before Harbaugh and it is a nice worry to have.

[jayasena]

He is a Stanford alum and by all accounts he loves it here. 

By all accounts, it goes much further than merely being an alum with David Shaw. The Stanford job isn't just his dream -- it's a dream he inherited from his father in many ways. David proposed to his wife at Stanford. And so on. There are a lot of personal connections here that just can't be replicated.

That said, I won't begrudge him if he were to take a much larger sum of money elsewhere as long as he sticks around for at least 5 years or so. I hope he is extremely successful here and stays for the long haul but it's unfair to expect him to make an unwavering long-term commitment without some reciprocity. Stanford doesn't make any commitment beyond the term of the contract to keep him until his kids graduate or anything of the sort.

Personally, I do think Shaw will stick around for at least a few more years. And I have no reason to believe he isn't being honest when he says he wants to stick around for a long time. If he changes his mind, I do think he'll stop saying that. I know coaches don't always speak their mind but I hope this is another aspect where Shaw and Stanford are "different" from the typical coach and institution. So I'm not worrying just yet.

[jayasena]

He is a Stanford alum and by all accounts he loves it here. 

By all accounts, it goes much further than merely being an alum with David Shaw. The Stanford job isn't just his dream -- it's a dream he inherited from his father in many ways. David proposed to his wife at Stanford. And so on. There are a lot of personal connections here that just can't be replicated.

That said, I won't begrudge him if he were to take a much larger sum of money elsewhere as long as he sticks around for at least 5 years or so. I hope he is extremely successful here and stays for the long haul but it's unfair to expect him to make an unwavering long-term commitment without some reciprocity. Stanford doesn't make any commitment beyond the term of the contract to keep him until his kids graduate or anything of the sort.

Personally, I do think Shaw will stick around for at least a few more years. And I have no reason to believe he isn't being honest when he says he wants to stick around for a long time. If he changes his mind, I do think he'll stop saying that. I know coaches don't always speak their mind but I hope this is another aspect where Shaw and Stanford are "different" from the typical coach and institution. So I'm not worrying just yet.

[CowboyIndian]

Man. I haven't thought of the name "Dennis Shaw" in 40 years. He was one of those Air Coryell quarterbacks at San Diego State who threw for 80 gazillion yards back in the late 1960s. I have no idea where that came from.

He was high school friends with Ron Kadziel, whose heroic stop of John Brockington on 4th down deep in Stanford territory contributed mightily to that historic '71 Rose Bowl victory. With another Rose Bowl on the horizon...that must be it.

[CowboyIndian]

Man. I haven't thought of the name "Dennis Shaw" in 40 years. He was one of those Air Coryell quarterbacks at San Diego State who threw for 80 gazillion yards back in the late 1960s. I have no idea where that came from.

He was high school friends with Ron Kadziel, whose heroic stop of John Brockington on 4th down deep in Stanford territory contributed mightily to that historic '71 Rose Bowl victory. With another Rose Bowl on the horizon...that must be it.

[Griffins78]

OK - I'm going to say it.

Shaw has a chance to win a National Championship at Stanford and to establish Stanford as a perennial national football power. Those are two BHAGs that I believe he has and wants to achieve and mean more to him than just the money or "prestige" of the NFL.

[Griffins78]

OK - I'm going to say it.

Shaw has a chance to win a National Championship at Stanford and to establish Stanford as a perennial national football power. Those are two BHAGs that I believe he has and wants to achieve and mean more to him than just the money or "prestige" of the NFL.

[teejers1]

I hope Shaw has those BHAGs.

But it will never happen with the kind of offense we saw too often this season.  Stanford needs a significant upgrade on the offensive side of the ball to maintain elite status.  (Yes, the D should be excellent again next season; however, I don't think you can expect to win games consistently like Stanford did this year with 250-325 yards of offense/game). 

385 yards/game should be the minimum (I'd like 400).  That's not a great offense, but it's better than what we saw for most of this season.  To get there, Stanford needs a little bolder play calling and better execution by the players.  When the plays are there, the team must execute (see fourth down pass to Hewitt against Oregon and pass to Cajuste against Oregon State and screen pass to Hewitt against UW and . . . ).

[teejers1]

I hope Shaw has those BHAGs.

But it will never happen with the kind of offense we saw too often this season.  Stanford needs a significant upgrade on the offensive side of the ball to maintain elite status.  (Yes, the D should be excellent again next season; however, I don't think you can expect to win games consistently like Stanford did this year with 250-325 yards of offense/game). 

385 yards/game should be the minimum (I'd like 400).  That's not a great offense, but it's better than what we saw for most of this season.  To get there, Stanford needs a little bolder play calling and better execution by the players.  When the plays are there, the team must execute (see fourth down pass to Hewitt against Oregon and pass to Cajuste against Oregon State and screen pass to Hewitt against UW and . . . ).

[fullmetal]

teejers, I think we'll see that in the next few years as Hogan develops.  Who knows, maybe Hogan will have to analytical skills Luck had to diagnose a defense.  Hogan is, after all, a Stanford man.

Now if we can only be reassured that Barry Jr. will hit the ground running next season...oh what an offense that could be! 

[fullmetal]

teejers, I think we'll see that in the next few years as Hogan develops.  Who knows, maybe Hogan will have to analytical skills Luck had to diagnose a defense.  Hogan is, after all, a Stanford man.

Now if we can only be reassured that Barry Jr. will hit the ground running next season...oh what an offense that could be! 

[Bruce Wang]

Shaw has a chance to win a National Championship at Stanford and to establish Stanford as a perennial national football power. Those are two BHAGs

Inheriting a program left in shambles by Walt Harris and taking it to a BCS bowl - that's a Big Hairy Audacious Goal.  Winning a National Championship with what Shaw inherited (and helped build) and now enhanced is your run of the mill stretch goal.

[Bruce Wang]

Shaw has a chance to win a National Championship at Stanford and to establish Stanford as a perennial national football power. Those are two BHAGs

Inheriting a program left in shambles by Walt Harris and taking it to a BCS bowl - that's a Big Hairy Audacious Goal.  Winning a National Championship with what Shaw inherited (and helped build) and now enhanced is your run of the mill stretch goal.

[fullmetal]

Ha :)  Given how quickly programs fall apart once the heavy lifters are gone, I don't think it's any less of a BHAG to win a MNC (mythical national championship).  Even maintaining a record good enough to earn a BCS bowl three-peat takes a lot of effort.  No cruise control here.

[fullmetal]

Ha :)  Given how quickly programs fall apart once the heavy lifters are gone, I don't think it's any less of a BHAG to win a MNC (mythical national championship).  Even maintaining a record good enough to earn a BCS bowl three-peat takes a lot of effort.  No cruise control here.

[washingtonismoney]

The importance of play calling is almost always overrated. I saw lots of comments saying that play calling became a lot better around the Colorado game through the rest of the season, but that's not the case -- it was just that Kevin Hogan was starting, was better than Nunes and, more importantly, fit better with the surrounding (modest) talent.

If we want a good offense in 2013 -- and to do anything of real significance next year, we'll definitely need a roomier margin of error (and therefore a better offense) -- it'll happen between February and August. That's when the offensive line -- either good or dominant -- will be forged. That's when we'll see replace Stepfan Taylor and the tight ends. That's when we'll finally conjure up some decent wideouts and playmakers. And that's when the coaching is questionable, at least on the wideout part of the equation (or whatever it is that screwed up our wideouts the past two years.)

[washingtonismoney]

The importance of play calling is almost always overrated. I saw lots of comments saying that play calling became a lot better around the Colorado game through the rest of the season, but that's not the case -- it was just that Kevin Hogan was starting, was better than Nunes and, more importantly, fit better with the surrounding (modest) talent.

If we want a good offense in 2013 -- and to do anything of real significance next year, we'll definitely need a roomier margin of error (and therefore a better offense) -- it'll happen between February and August. That's when the offensive line -- either good or dominant -- will be forged. That's when we'll see replace Stepfan Taylor and the tight ends. That's when we'll finally conjure up some decent wideouts and playmakers. And that's when the coaching is questionable, at least on the wideout part of the equation (or whatever it is that screwed up our wideouts the past two years.)

[teejers1]

Disagree with you WIM on the playcalling being the same after switch to Hogan (though I did see some "reversion to form" late).  Disagree to extent you imply playcalling has little influence on success of offense (i.e., that such will be determined between April and August).

In fact, I expect some wrinkles in the Rose Bowl.  If we don't see any, I'll be unpleasantly surprised.

[teejers1]

Disagree with you WIM on the playcalling being the same after switch to Hogan (though I did see some "reversion to form" late).  Disagree to extent you imply playcalling has little influence on success of offense (i.e., that such will be determined between April and August).

In fact, I expect some wrinkles in the Rose Bowl.  If we don't see any, I'll be unpleasantly surprised.

[Oasis]

What is better: having greater continuity or being a magnet for top college coaching talent (because if you do well you get the NFL brass ring)?  Right now I'd go for the continuity. 

[Oasis]

What is better: having greater continuity or being a magnet for top college coaching talent (because if you do well you get the NFL brass ring)?  Right now I'd go for the continuity.