02-07-2014, 07:02 PM
i'm not sure Sark is an upgrade. i feel for him having to follow Tyrone but its not like he set UW on fire.
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02-08-2014, 08:28 AM
(02-07-2014, 10:09 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:Kiffin = low bar
Bc
agree on the low bar, but it will still be a tall one for Sark given his current D-1 track record.
and on the subject, the quality of coaches in the Pac-12 is definitely trending upward.Â
UW -- Tyrone to Petersen -- up arrow (can anything be more extreme?)
WSU -- Wulff to Leach -- up arrow
UO -- Bellotti to Helfrich -- up arrow (but early)
OSU -- Riley -- same
Cal -- Tedfurd to Dykes -- down arrow (keep working it Sandy!)
Stanford -- Wlat to Shaw -- up arrow (bested only by UW in extreme turnaround?)
Utah -- Whittingham -- same
Colorado -- Hawkins to McIntyre -- up arrow
UA -- Stoops to RichRod -- up arrow
ASU -- Koetter to Graham -- up arrow
UCLA -- Dorrell to Mora -- up arrow
USC -- Kiffin to Sark -- down arrow?
(02-07-2014, 10:09 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:Kiffin = low bar
Bc
agree on the low bar, but it will still be a tall one for Sark given his current D-1 track record.
and on the subject, the quality of coaches in the Pac-12 is definitely trending upward.Â
UW -- Tyrone to Petersen -- up arrow (can anything be more extreme?)
WSU -- Wulff to Leach -- up arrow
UO -- Bellotti to Helfrich -- up arrow (but early)
OSU -- Riley -- same
Cal -- Tedfurd to Dykes -- down arrow (keep working it Sandy!)
Stanford -- Wlat to Shaw -- up arrow (bested only by UW in extreme turnaround?)
Utah -- Whittingham -- same
Colorado -- Hawkins to McIntyre -- up arrow
UA -- Stoops to RichRod -- up arrow
ASU -- Koetter to Graham -- up arrow
UCLA -- Dorrell to Mora -- up arrow
USC -- Kiffin to Sark -- down arrow?
02-09-2014, 08:52 AM
Petersen is untested at UW, so I would say our turnaround is the most extreme in the Pac-12 at this point.
"To the press alone, checkered as it is with abuses, the world is indebted for all the triumphs which have been gained by reason and humanity over error and oppression." ~ James Madison
Petersen is untested at UW, so I would say our turnaround is the most extreme in the Pac-12 at this point.
"To the press alone, checkered as it is with abuses, the world is indebted for all the triumphs which have been gained by reason and humanity over error and oppression." ~ James Madison
02-09-2014, 10:40 AM
(02-07-2014, 03:26 PM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:[quote author=FarmBoy link=topic=9514.msg83482#msg83482 date=1391811057]
The man is nothing, not consistent. After going 4-5 his first year, in the league, he went 5-4 the last 4. And supposedly with better squads each year (as TW's players were replaced by his.) If that's not a red flag of mediocrity, I don't know what is. Clearly, he did something right early on to to turn things around so quickly, but that program wasn't going anywhere the past 3 years, it seems.
TO BE FAIR to Sarkisian, the Pac-12 steadily improved (more or less) throughout his tenure. TO BE UNFAIR to Sarkisian, that's not a great sign: your second derivative should be better.
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Here's something I've never been able to figure out. How do mediocrities keep getting hired? Seriously? Sark as USC coach after his .500 program at UW? I don't understand...does he have pictures?Â
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(02-07-2014, 03:26 PM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:[quote author=FarmBoy link=topic=9514.msg83482#msg83482 date=1391811057]
The man is nothing, not consistent. After going 4-5 his first year, in the league, he went 5-4 the last 4. And supposedly with better squads each year (as TW's players were replaced by his.) If that's not a red flag of mediocrity, I don't know what is. Clearly, he did something right early on to to turn things around so quickly, but that program wasn't going anywhere the past 3 years, it seems.
TO BE FAIR to Sarkisian, the Pac-12 steadily improved (more or less) throughout his tenure. TO BE UNFAIR to Sarkisian, that's not a great sign: your second derivative should be better.
[/quote]
Here's something I've never been able to figure out. How do mediocrities keep getting hired? Seriously? Sark as USC coach after his .500 program at UW? I don't understand...does he have pictures?Â
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02-09-2014, 12:11 PM
A contender for steepest arrow: Arizona. You needed to baseline where things were really, really BAD: Mad John Mackovic, He made Stoops look absolutely suburban normal.
A contender for steepest arrow: Arizona. You needed to baseline where things were really, really BAD: Mad John Mackovic, He made Stoops look absolutely suburban normal.
02-09-2014, 12:28 PM
(02-09-2014, 10:40 AM)Mick link Wrote:[quote author=washingtonismoney link=topic=9514.msg83486#msg83486 date=1391811989]
[quote author=FarmBoy link=topic=9514.msg83482#msg83482 date=1391811057]
The man is nothing, not consistent. After going 4-5 his first year, in the league, he went 5-4 the last 4. And supposedly with better squads each year (as TW's players were replaced by his.) If that's not a red flag of mediocrity, I don't know what is. Clearly, he did something right early on to to turn things around so quickly, but that program wasn't going anywhere the past 3 years, it seems.
TO BE FAIR to Sarkisian, the Pac-12 steadily improved (more or less) throughout his tenure. TO BE UNFAIR to Sarkisian, that's not a great sign: your second derivative should be better.
[/quote]
Here's something I've never been able to figure out. How do mediocrities keep getting hired? Seriously? Sark as University of Spoiled Children coach after his .500 program at UW? I don't understand...does he have pictures?
I think Haden is a pretty straight arrow so I doubt if he does. After the probation fiasco with Carroll I don't think U$C is considered the plum job it once was. Sark may have been the best available.
(02-09-2014, 10:40 AM)Mick link Wrote:[quote author=washingtonismoney link=topic=9514.msg83486#msg83486 date=1391811989]
[quote author=FarmBoy link=topic=9514.msg83482#msg83482 date=1391811057]
The man is nothing, not consistent. After going 4-5 his first year, in the league, he went 5-4 the last 4. And supposedly with better squads each year (as TW's players were replaced by his.) If that's not a red flag of mediocrity, I don't know what is. Clearly, he did something right early on to to turn things around so quickly, but that program wasn't going anywhere the past 3 years, it seems.
TO BE FAIR to Sarkisian, the Pac-12 steadily improved (more or less) throughout his tenure. TO BE UNFAIR to Sarkisian, that's not a great sign: your second derivative should be better.
[/quote]
Here's something I've never been able to figure out. How do mediocrities keep getting hired? Seriously? Sark as University of Spoiled Children coach after his .500 program at UW? I don't understand...does he have pictures?
I think Haden is a pretty straight arrow so I doubt if he does. After the probation fiasco with Carroll I don't think U$C is considered the plum job it once was. Sark may have been the best available.
02-09-2014, 01:30 PM
(02-08-2014, 08:28 AM)slide link Wrote:[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=9514.msg83520#msg83520 date=1391836149]
Kiffin = low bar
Bc
agree on the low bar, but it will still be a tall one for Sark given his current D-1 track record.
and on the subject, the quality of coaches in the Pac-12 is definitely trending upward.Â
UW -- Tyrone to Petersen -- up arrow (can anything be more extreme?)
WSU -- Wulff to Leach -- up arrow
UO -- Bellotti to Helfrich -- up arrow (but early)
OSU -- Riley -- same
Low APR U -- Tedfurd to Yikes -- down arrow (keep working it Sandy!)
Stanford -- Wlat to Shaw -- up arrow (bested only by UW in extreme turnaround?)
Utah -- Whittingham -- same
Colorado -- Hawkins to McIntyre -- up arrow
UA -- Stoops to RichRod -- up arrow I
ASU -- Koetter to Graham -- up arrow
UCLA -- Dorrell to Mora -- up arrow
University of Spoiled Children -- Kiffin to Sark -- down arrow?
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A bit elective of your baseline for comparison... For example,belotti to helfrich might have been a row up, but Kelly was in between, and Kelly to helfrih is probably a slight down arrow. Otherwise you have to compare Sark to Carroll, which is a definite down arrow.
BC
(02-08-2014, 08:28 AM)slide link Wrote:[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=9514.msg83520#msg83520 date=1391836149]
Kiffin = low bar
Bc
agree on the low bar, but it will still be a tall one for Sark given his current D-1 track record.
and on the subject, the quality of coaches in the Pac-12 is definitely trending upward.Â
UW -- Tyrone to Petersen -- up arrow (can anything be more extreme?)
WSU -- Wulff to Leach -- up arrow
UO -- Bellotti to Helfrich -- up arrow (but early)
OSU -- Riley -- same
Low APR U -- Tedfurd to Yikes -- down arrow (keep working it Sandy!)
Stanford -- Wlat to Shaw -- up arrow (bested only by UW in extreme turnaround?)
Utah -- Whittingham -- same
Colorado -- Hawkins to McIntyre -- up arrow
UA -- Stoops to RichRod -- up arrow I
ASU -- Koetter to Graham -- up arrow
UCLA -- Dorrell to Mora -- up arrow
University of Spoiled Children -- Kiffin to Sark -- down arrow?
[/quote]
A bit elective of your baseline for comparison... For example,belotti to helfrich might have been a row up, but Kelly was in between, and Kelly to helfrih is probably a slight down arrow. Otherwise you have to compare Sark to Carroll, which is a definite down arrow.
BC
02-09-2014, 02:44 PM
(02-07-2014, 03:54 PM)CowboyIndian link Wrote:Plus...Sark is a whining, accusatory dog that I will enjoy watching snivel through post-loss press conferences in LA.
Hey, CI, don't mince words here. How do you really feel about Sark?
(02-07-2014, 03:54 PM)CowboyIndian link Wrote:Plus...Sark is a whining, accusatory dog that I will enjoy watching snivel through post-loss press conferences in LA.
Hey, CI, don't mince words here. How do you really feel about Sark?
02-09-2014, 03:15 PM
I am solid w/ CI on this one for sure!
"It's not what you don't know that gets you in trouble. It's what you think you know that just isn't so."
Mark Twain
02-09-2014, 04:16 PM
I didn't think much about him either way until he started pouting and whining at his post-loss press conference while accusing an injured Ben Gardner of lying down to stop their uptempo offense. He lost me there and I'm actually glad he's ended up at $C. I wouldn't know how to act if they had a coach i actually respected. There will be NO cognitive dissonance for me!
I didn't think much about him either way until he started pouting and whining at his post-loss press conference while accusing an injured Ben Gardner of lying down to stop their uptempo offense. He lost me there and I'm actually glad he's ended up at $C. I wouldn't know how to act if they had a coach i actually respected. There will be NO cognitive dissonance for me!
02-09-2014, 07:27 PM
(02-09-2014, 08:52 AM)Kathy link Wrote:Petersen is untested at UW, so I would say our turnaround is the most extreme in the Pac-12 at this point.
I would say the tests for Petersen have begun in earnest. Â
http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/...-honeymoon
(02-09-2014, 08:52 AM)Kathy link Wrote:Petersen is untested at UW, so I would say our turnaround is the most extreme in the Pac-12 at this point.
I would say the tests for Petersen have begun in earnest. Â
http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/...-honeymoon
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