[BostonCard]

There is also a move to shift the judicial proceedings away from campus administrative procedures and into the legal arena.  This makes a lot of sense.  Campus disciplinary proceedings are really geared towards dealing with issues that are wrong (academic fraud, plagiarism, cheating), but not illegal.  I was never sure why acts that are illegal by state law should be adjudicated internally.

BC

[BostonCard]

There is also a move to shift the judicial proceedings away from campus administrative procedures and into the legal arena.  This makes a lot of sense.  Campus disciplinary proceedings are really geared towards dealing with issues that are wrong (academic fraud, plagiarism, cheating), but not illegal.  I was never sure why acts that are illegal by state law should be adjudicated internally.

BC

[CTcard]

There is also a move to shift the judicial proceedings away from campus administrative procedures and into the legal arena. 

Well there is one notable guy pushing that. A Yale law prof.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/16/opinio...inion&_r=1

But mostly there isn't much of such a movement among anyone with power to do anything about it. It appears to be our government's position that Universities must run their own parallel pseudo-legal proceedings on such matters - and due to that hammer the current trend is a strong ramp up of such proceedings along with complicated policies that generally do not mirror the local law.

From what I have seen Universities are not well equipped to handle this and generally do so very poorly. But of course I have only seen a very small subset of the cases.

[CTcard]

There is also a move to shift the judicial proceedings away from campus administrative procedures and into the legal arena. 

Well there is one notable guy pushing that. A Yale law prof.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/16/opinio...inion&_r=1

But mostly there isn't much of such a movement among anyone with power to do anything about it. It appears to be our government's position that Universities must run their own parallel pseudo-legal proceedings on such matters - and due to that hammer the current trend is a strong ramp up of such proceedings along with complicated policies that generally do not mirror the local law.

From what I have seen Universities are not well equipped to handle this and generally do so very poorly. But of course I have only seen a very small subset of the cases.

[JohnR34231]

It does seem like the pendulum is swinging too far in the other direction.

It seems like no matter what the outcome someone ends up getting screwed (both literally and figuratively).

Chastity belts, anyone?

[JohnR34231]

It does seem like the pendulum is swinging too far in the other direction.

It seems like no matter what the outcome someone ends up getting screwed (both literally and figuratively).

Chastity belts, anyone?

[Redrum]

Most colleges have some kind of system that provides for parallel adjudication of offenses committed on campus. To some extent, this makes sense. Throwing a rock at a window is not likely to draw a very substantial penalty in the Santa Clara County court system. Stanford, if the rock were thrown at the president's window by a student dissatisfied with his Poli Sci 10 grade, would understandably take it more seriously.

What about stealing a cadaver from the medical school,  toting it up to the president's campus mansion,  hiding in the bushes and then throwing it out in front of the president's car so he'd hit it and think he'd killed someone?

[Redrum]

Most colleges have some kind of system that provides for parallel adjudication of offenses committed on campus. To some extent, this makes sense. Throwing a rock at a window is not likely to draw a very substantial penalty in the Santa Clara County court system. Stanford, if the rock were thrown at the president's window by a student dissatisfied with his Poli Sci 10 grade, would understandably take it more seriously.

What about stealing a cadaver from the medical school,  toting it up to the president's campus mansion,  hiding in the bushes and then throwing it out in front of the president's car so he'd hit it and think he'd killed someone?

[CowboyIndian]

What about stealing a cadaver from the medical school,  toting it up to the president's campus mansion,  hiding in the bushes and then throwing it out in front of the president's car so he'd hit it and think he'd killed someone?

This guy...or so they used to say:

[CowboyIndian]

What about stealing a cadaver from the medical school,  toting it up to the president's campus mansion,  hiding in the bushes and then throwing it out in front of the president's car so he'd hit it and think he'd killed someone?

This guy...or so they used to say:

[JohnR34231]

Most colleges have some kind of system that provides for parallel adjudication of offenses committed on campus. To some extent, this makes sense. Throwing a rock at a window is not likely to draw a very substantial penalty in the Santa Clara County court system. Stanford, if the rock were thrown at the president's window by a student dissatisfied with his Poli Sci 10 grade, would understandably take it more seriously.

What about stealing a cadaver from the medical school,  toting it up to the president's campus mansion,  hiding in the bushes and then throwing it out in front of the president's car so he'd hit it and think he'd killed someone?

Hey, bitchen RF.

[JohnR34231]

Most colleges have some kind of system that provides for parallel adjudication of offenses committed on campus. To some extent, this makes sense. Throwing a rock at a window is not likely to draw a very substantial penalty in the Santa Clara County court system. Stanford, if the rock were thrown at the president's window by a student dissatisfied with his Poli Sci 10 grade, would understandably take it more seriously.

What about stealing a cadaver from the medical school,  toting it up to the president's campus mansion,  hiding in the bushes and then throwing it out in front of the president's car so he'd hit it and think he'd killed someone?

Hey, bitchen RF.

[teejers1]

Redrum, is that story true or apocryphal?  I'm all for pranks that border on the illegal, so long as no one gets hurt . . . but something about that story strikes me as  . . . macabre?

BTW, I kinda like the story about a certain QB at a certain frat house who was known to light the end of an arrow and use a bow to shoot it into the neighboring house.  That might be apocryphal, but I think it's legit . . .

[teejers1]

Redrum, is that story true or apocryphal?  I'm all for pranks that border on the illegal, so long as no one gets hurt . . . but something about that story strikes me as  . . . macabre?

BTW, I kinda like the story about a certain QB at a certain frat house who was known to light the end of an arrow and use a bow to shoot it into the neighboring house.  That might be apocryphal, but I think it's legit . . .

[Redrum]

Mainly because I want it to be true.  And by retelling it, I'm doing my part to make it so.  Not exactly on par with some dude parting the Red Sea...but lots of people believe that, don't they?

[Redrum]

Mainly because I want it to be true.  And by retelling it, I'm doing my part to make it so.  Not exactly on par with some dude parting the Red Sea...but lots of people believe that, don't they?

[CowboyIndian]

A freshman dormmate and friend was an excellent rock climber/spelunker, which was an unusual avocation in those days. He used to haunt the attics of the Quad and actually climbed into MemChu one time from the roof. He was also a pretty good musician so he couldn't pass up the chance to play "Chest Fever" at midnight on the mighty Wurlitzer organ. Busted but not punished with anything but a finger wag.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoRq73Hnwrg

Later in his undergraduate career, he also went up to the top of HooTow as a tourist and hid out until dark, when he attached a white silk parachute to the pinnacle and rappelled down to the ground. Picture that, if you will.

He died a few years later climbing Half Dome in Yosemite. RIP, Ernie

[CowboyIndian]

A freshman dormmate and friend was an excellent rock climber/spelunker, which was an unusual avocation in those days. He used to haunt the attics of the Quad and actually climbed into MemChu one time from the roof. He was also a pretty good musician so he couldn't pass up the chance to play "Chest Fever" at midnight on the mighty Wurlitzer organ. Busted but not punished with anything but a finger wag.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoRq73Hnwrg

Later in his undergraduate career, he also went up to the top of HooTow as a tourist and hid out until dark, when he attached a white silk parachute to the pinnacle and rappelled down to the ground. Picture that, if you will.

He died a few years later climbing Half Dome in Yosemite. RIP, Ernie

[Bruce Wang]

Anybody else explore the tunnels underneath the Quad?  I did it a few times until I hit the section with a "WARNING HIGH VOLTAGE" sign.  Never went down there again.

[Bruce Wang]

Anybody else explore the tunnels underneath the Quad?  I did it a few times until I hit the section with a "WARNING HIGH VOLTAGE" sign.  Never went down there again.

[StanFan88]

There is also a move to shift the judicial proceedings away from campus administrative procedures and into the legal arena.  This makes a lot of sense.  Campus disciplinary proceedings are really geared towards dealing with issues that are wrong (academic fraud, plagiarism, cheating), but not illegal.  I was never sure why acts that are illegal by state law should be adjudicated internally.

BC

I'm a big supporter of turning over all of this stuff to police/DA.  Let the University deal with academic-related issues but for alleged criminal offenses there is a system for that already.  University can take disciplinary action based on legal proceedings.

[StanFan88]

There is also a move to shift the judicial proceedings away from campus administrative procedures and into the legal arena.  This makes a lot of sense.  Campus disciplinary proceedings are really geared towards dealing with issues that are wrong (academic fraud, plagiarism, cheating), but not illegal.  I was never sure why acts that are illegal by state law should be adjudicated internally.

BC

I'm a big supporter of turning over all of this stuff to police/DA.  Let the University deal with academic-related issues but for alleged criminal offenses there is a system for that already.  University can take disciplinary action based on legal proceedings.

[fullmetal]

I agree with StanFan, but it should also be mentioned that legal proceedings could drag on for a very, very long time, during which a potential victim may be harassed, intimidated, etc. by a potential rapist walking around campus without recourse.  It's a tricky situation.

[fullmetal]

I agree with StanFan, but it should also be mentioned that legal proceedings could drag on for a very, very long time, during which a potential victim may be harassed, intimidated, etc. by a potential rapist walking around campus without recourse.  It's a tricky situation.

[standfan]

I agree with StanFan, but it should also be mentioned that legal proceedings could drag on for a very, very long time, during which a potential victim may be harassed, intimidated, etc. by a potential rapist walking around campus without recourse.  It's a tricky situation.

The criminal justice system serves a different purpose and acts without necessarily considering the on-going interests of Stanford, the alleged victim and its other students. We do not prevent an employer from discharging an employee unless the employee is convicted by a jury of a crime. Attending Stanford is a revocable privilege, not a right. Moreover, Stanford has a moral duty to, and legal liability if it does not, reasonably protect its staff and students.

That said, the effects on a student of a harsh decision, such as expulsion, by the university are significant. The criminal justice system has struggled mightily to balance the rights of the accused and the accuser in sexual assault matters. Clearly, well considered procedures, with some kind of due process protections, are required. It might be a system administered by a third party but it should not be the criminal justice system.

[standfan]

I agree with StanFan, but it should also be mentioned that legal proceedings could drag on for a very, very long time, during which a potential victim may be harassed, intimidated, etc. by a potential rapist walking around campus without recourse.  It's a tricky situation.

The criminal justice system serves a different purpose and acts without necessarily considering the on-going interests of Stanford, the alleged victim and its other students. We do not prevent an employer from discharging an employee unless the employee is convicted by a jury of a crime. Attending Stanford is a revocable privilege, not a right. Moreover, Stanford has a moral duty to, and legal liability if it does not, reasonably protect its staff and students.

That said, the effects on a student of a harsh decision, such as expulsion, by the university are significant. The criminal justice system has struggled mightily to balance the rights of the accused and the accuser in sexual assault matters. Clearly, well considered procedures, with some kind of due process protections, are required. It might be a system administered by a third party but it should not be the criminal justice system.

[81alum]

Talk about thread drift.....

Anybody else explore the tunnels underneath the Quad?  I did it a few times until I hit the section with a "WARNING HIGH VOLTAGE" sign.  Never went down there again.

A group of friends and I tried to explore the steam tunnels.  We heard there were rats in there so we put on heavy hiking boots and carried broomsticks--I suppose we thought we could beat off giant rats.  Stupidly, we galumphed across campus in this macabre gear the night before Big Game looking for an entrance, and were of course reported as possible weanies.  The police officer who stopped us became much nicer when he heard our weird story and realized that we were not C.al students coming to do mischief.  He started telling us a story about how he explored the catacombs up at St. Mary's when he was a student there.  He let us go with a Beat C.al, but we did not try to get into the steam tunnels again.

Later I heard that the steam tunnels had been effectively closed off by the time we were trying to get into them.  Too many students had done too much exploring and liability concerns made facilities lock or seal all the entrances.  So we probably would never have made it.  Those of you who made it in...did you see any giant rats?

Edit: I just discovered a great many pictures people have taken relatively recently exploring the tunnels.  Now I am miffed that I never made it in.  For example:
http://web.stanford.edu/~siegelr/stanfor...mtunneling

And see this:
http://www.stanforddaily.com/2010/04/12/pipedreams/

[81alum]

Talk about thread drift.....

Anybody else explore the tunnels underneath the Quad?  I did it a few times until I hit the section with a "WARNING HIGH VOLTAGE" sign.  Never went down there again.

A group of friends and I tried to explore the steam tunnels.  We heard there were rats in there so we put on heavy hiking boots and carried broomsticks--I suppose we thought we could beat off giant rats.  Stupidly, we galumphed across campus in this macabre gear the night before Big Game looking for an entrance, and were of course reported as possible weanies.  The police officer who stopped us became much nicer when he heard our weird story and realized that we were not C.al students coming to do mischief.  He started telling us a story about how he explored the catacombs up at St. Mary's when he was a student there.  He let us go with a Beat C.al, but we did not try to get into the steam tunnels again.

Later I heard that the steam tunnels had been effectively closed off by the time we were trying to get into them.  Too many students had done too much exploring and liability concerns made facilities lock or seal all the entrances.  So we probably would never have made it.  Those of you who made it in...did you see any giant rats?

Edit: I just discovered a great many pictures people have taken relatively recently exploring the tunnels.  Now I am miffed that I never made it in.  For example:
http://web.stanford.edu/~siegelr/stanfor...mtunneling

And see this:
http://www.stanforddaily.com/2010/04/12/pipedreams/

[Bruce Wang]

The tunnels were accessible as late as 1992.  I did not see any rats.

[Bruce Wang]

The tunnels were accessible as late as 1992.  I did not see any rats.

[stupac2]

"Steam tunneling" and to a lesser extent "sky tunneling" were well known when I was an undergrad ('05-'09). Steam tunneling is obvious, but sky tunneling referred to getting up into the buildings on the quad. I haven't done either so not 100%.

[stupac2]

"Steam tunneling" and to a lesser extent "sky tunneling" were well known when I was an undergrad ('05-'09). Steam tunneling is obvious, but sky tunneling referred to getting up into the buildings on the quad. I haven't done either so not 100%.