[Papa John]

That's return on investment, according to http://www.payscale.com/college-roi//. Choosing a 20-year net with on-campus housing and with financial aid, Stanford students come out $966,900 ahead*, behind #1 Harvey Mudd College and #2 CalTech. That makes us, of course, the best among liberal arts colleges and universities. The rest of the top 10:
#4 Stevens Institute of Technology
#5 Babson College
#6 MIT
#7 Princeton
#8 Brown
#9 Colorado School of Mines (top public school)
#10 Rice

Other schools of interest to me, with public schools rankings according to net for in-state students:
#14 Harvard
#24 C.al (#4 among public schools)
#53 N.otre D.ame
#91 UW
#93 SJSU
#112 UCLA
#150 U$C
#188 Utah
#221 CU
#227 ASU
#237 UA
#251 WSU
#262 OSU
#534 UO

* Difference between 20-year median pay for a bachelor's grad and 24-year median pay for a high school grad minus total four years college cost.

[Papa John]

That's return on investment, according to http://www.payscale.com/college-roi//. Choosing a 20-year net with on-campus housing and with financial aid, Stanford students come out $966,900 ahead*, behind #1 Harvey Mudd College and #2 CalTech. That makes us, of course, the best among liberal arts colleges and universities. The rest of the top 10:
#4 Stevens Institute of Technology
#5 Babson College
#6 MIT
#7 Princeton
#8 Brown
#9 Colorado School of Mines (top public school)
#10 Rice

Other schools of interest to me, with public schools rankings according to net for in-state students:
#14 Harvard
#24 C.al (#4 among public schools)
#53 N.otre D.ame
#91 UW
#93 SJSU
#112 UCLA
#150 U$C
#188 Utah
#221 CU
#227 ASU
#237 UA
#251 WSU
#262 OSU
#534 UO

* Difference between 20-year median pay for a bachelor's grad and 24-year median pay for a high school grad minus total four years college cost.

[Hulk01]

The U of O's very distant, last place finish here confirms my impression of the school from a summer term,  three years at their law school, and a quarter teaching a U of O undergraduate class. 

A good Italian restaurant and great track meets, but I cannot remember meeting a student who cared about getting a good education. I met dozens of students, however, who loved the parties and the weed. 

[Hulk01]

The U of O's very distant, last place finish here confirms my impression of the school from a summer term,  three years at their law school, and a quarter teaching a U of O undergraduate class. 

A good Italian restaurant and great track meets, but I cannot remember meeting a student who cared about getting a good education. I met dozens of students, however, who loved the parties and the weed. 

[Nan3cy]

I know a former U of O student who loved to learn. Of course, he transferred to Northwestern after a year...

[Nan3cy]

I know a former U of O student who loved to learn. Of course, he transferred to Northwestern after a year...

[winflop]

Why does it have to be forget one and focus on the other?

We should demand both because we know the university we love is capable of both!

[winflop]

Why does it have to be forget one and focus on the other?

We should demand both because we know the university we love is capable of both!

[BostonCard]

We all know a former U of O student who loved to learn... he transferred to Stanford, wrote several best-selling books, and occasionally posts about recruiting on this board.

BC

[BostonCard]

We all know a former U of O student who loved to learn... he transferred to Stanford, wrote several best-selling books, and occasionally posts about recruiting on this board.

BC

[CTcard]

Why does it have to be forget one and focus on the other?

We should demand both because we know the university we love is capable of both!

You mean love of weed and love of learning?

[CTcard]

Why does it have to be forget one and focus on the other?

We should demand both because we know the university we love is capable of both!

You mean love of weed and love of learning?

[winflop]

[quote author=winflop link=topic=11851.msg114504#msg114504 date=1426034512]
Why does it have to be forget one and focus on the other?

We should demand both because we know the university we love is capable of both!

You mean love of weed and love of learning?
[/quote]

If that's what floats your boat, by all means... :P

[winflop]

[quote author=winflop link=topic=11851.msg114504#msg114504 date=1426034512]
Why does it have to be forget one and focus on the other?

We should demand both because we know the university we love is capable of both!

You mean love of weed and love of learning?
[/quote]

If that's what floats your boat, by all means... :P

[Mick]

The U of O's very distant, last place finish here confirms my impression of the school from a summer term,  three years at their law school, and a quarter teaching a U of O undergraduate class. 

A good Italian restaurant and great track meets, but I cannot remember meeting a student who cared about getting a good education. I met dozens of students, however, who loved the parties and the weed.

For a variety of reasons, I know about a dozen current U of O students, and I've known most of them since they were eight years old.  Suffice to say your description is accurate both pre- and during U of O attendance.

[Mick]

The U of O's very distant, last place finish here confirms my impression of the school from a summer term,  three years at their law school, and a quarter teaching a U of O undergraduate class. 

A good Italian restaurant and great track meets, but I cannot remember meeting a student who cared about getting a good education. I met dozens of students, however, who loved the parties and the weed.

For a variety of reasons, I know about a dozen current U of O students, and I've known most of them since they were eight years old.  Suffice to say your description is accurate both pre- and during U of O attendance.

[Mick]

That's return on investment, according to http://www.payscale.com/college-roi//. Choosing a 20-year net with on-campus housing and with financial aid, Stanford students come out $966,900 ahead*, behind #1 Harvey Mudd College and #2 CalTech. That makes us, of course, the best among liberal arts colleges and universities. The rest of the top 10:
#4 Stevens Institute of Technology
#5 Babson College
#6 MIT
#7 Princeton
#8 Brown
#9 Colorado School of Mines (top public school)
#10 Rice

Other schools of interest to me, with public schools rankings according to net for in-state students:
#14 Harvard
#24 C.al (#4 among public schools)
#53 N.otre D.ame
#91 UW
#93 SJSU
#112 UCLA
#150 U$C
#188 Utah
#221 CU
#227 ASU
#237 UA
#251 WSU
#262 OSU
#534 UO

* Difference between 20-year median pay for a bachelor's grad and 24-year median pay for a high school grad minus total four years college cost.

Santa Clara at #51, comfortably ahead of UDFG...

[Mick]

That's return on investment, according to http://www.payscale.com/college-roi//. Choosing a 20-year net with on-campus housing and with financial aid, Stanford students come out $966,900 ahead*, behind #1 Harvey Mudd College and #2 CalTech. That makes us, of course, the best among liberal arts colleges and universities. The rest of the top 10:
#4 Stevens Institute of Technology
#5 Babson College
#6 MIT
#7 Princeton
#8 Brown
#9 Colorado School of Mines (top public school)
#10 Rice

Other schools of interest to me, with public schools rankings according to net for in-state students:
#14 Harvard
#24 C.al (#4 among public schools)
#53 N.otre D.ame
#91 UW
#93 SJSU
#112 UCLA
#150 U$C
#188 Utah
#221 CU
#227 ASU
#237 UA
#251 WSU
#262 OSU
#534 UO

* Difference between 20-year median pay for a bachelor's grad and 24-year median pay for a high school grad minus total four years college cost.

Santa Clara at #51, comfortably ahead of UDFG...

[terry]

How reliable is Payscale's methodology? My recollection is that their salary database relies on self-reported figures. I wouldn't go to their site and put my salary data into their database. I don't see any reason to do it. How do they know they're getting good data? It seems to me that there is no way to control the accuracy of the data, and there probably is some kind of bias due to self-selection of those who report data. And how do they deal with graduate degrees? People do all different kinds of graduate work. I would think this would make it hard to compare the value of undergraduate educations.

[terry]

How reliable is Payscale's methodology? My recollection is that their salary database relies on self-reported figures. I wouldn't go to their site and put my salary data into their database. I don't see any reason to do it. How do they know they're getting good data? It seems to me that there is no way to control the accuracy of the data, and there probably is some kind of bias due to self-selection of those who report data. And how do they deal with graduate degrees? People do all different kinds of graduate work. I would think this would make it hard to compare the value of undergraduate educations.