[Hulk01]

Tiger collapsed at the end today, going five over on the last six holes.

Meanwhile, Patrick birdied four of the first seven.  Now at -3 on the day, 25th overall.  Worth noting to any who aren't aware: This is Partrick's first year on the tour.

[Hulk01]

Tiger collapsed at the end today, going five over on the last six holes.

Meanwhile, Patrick birdied four of the first seven.  Now at -3 on the day, 25th overall.  Worth noting to any who aren't aware: This is Partrick's first year on the tour.

[CornFed]

Garvin- People are becoming overwhelmed trying to assess what has overcome Tiger's game.  It certainly isn't just one thing.  Physical, mental, emotional.  Everything.

The thought has occurred to me that the passing of Earl Woods seems to mark the point at which Tiger's world began to unravel.  It was only a few years later that the infamous meltdown occurred, and that unfolded as a result of his bad choices and involvement with other women over the previous couple of years.

Tiger retained the internal sense of risk-free swing confidence embodied by kids until a much later point in life than anyone.  He never experienced embarrassing failure until, really that fiasco that ended his marriage.  He has become more and more filled with self-limiting doubts and it seems to be accelerating in its effect on his game.

And now, as I am typing, Patrick birdies 17 and 18 to finish at -2.  Amazingly clutch close by Patrick.  I would think that would lock up his tour card.  Still waiting for final confirmation.

[CornFed]

Garvin- People are becoming overwhelmed trying to assess what has overcome Tiger's game.  It certainly isn't just one thing.  Physical, mental, emotional.  Everything.

The thought has occurred to me that the passing of Earl Woods seems to mark the point at which Tiger's world began to unravel.  It was only a few years later that the infamous meltdown occurred, and that unfolded as a result of his bad choices and involvement with other women over the previous couple of years.

Tiger retained the internal sense of risk-free swing confidence embodied by kids until a much later point in life than anyone.  He never experienced embarrassing failure until, really that fiasco that ended his marriage.  He has become more and more filled with self-limiting doubts and it seems to be accelerating in its effect on his game.

And now, as I am typing, Patrick birdies 17 and 18 to finish at -2.  Amazingly clutch close by Patrick.  I would think that would lock up his tour card.  Still waiting for final confirmation.

[Leftcoast]

"There are no second acts in American lives." - F. Scott Fitzgerald

Tiger's fall from grace is tragic in the complete older definition of the word - an otherworldly talent who seemingly had it all only to fall far and hard due to a fatal flaw.  I am rooting for his American life to defy the odds and have a second act.

Others are not.  I know my wife and mother, who both became interested in golf while watching a young and charismatic Tiger make a genteel country club game relevant, were at first disbelieving and later horrified by the endless revelations.  Tiger's fall was somehow personal to them because they believed in him.  Allegations against abusive football and basketball players have splashed over them invoking little more than a momentary disgust but Tiger's betrayals went deeper and demanded justice.  Tiger's struggles have been a karmic payback for misplaced trust. 

They might forgive him eventually ... but not yet. 

For my part I'm less interested in punishing the guilty and more interested in seeing the human side of our heroes triumph over obstacles - ESPECIALLY the ones they created for themselves.  Tiger coming back in his later years to make a run at a Masters or US Open would bookend his career and quickly become the biggest story in American sports.  American's love a tale of struggle and redemption.

I don't know what physical and mental factors have made the once indomitable Tiger 3 putt on greens and quadruple bogey holes he used to routinely birdy.  I don't know whether his constant tweaking of his swing and frequent changes in coaches have played with his head or whether his fall from grace has caused him to question his swing as well as his choices.

I just know that if he ever finds the magic again it would be the biggest event in golf since, well since Woods broke out with his first act back in 1997.

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As an aside, I'm not sure I agree with this response to F. Scott Fitzgerald's quote but it's of some interest and not the least because it was written 5 years ago.  I'd say Tiger has experienced a second act at least  by this author's definition based upon the middle act of a three act play.

http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment...act/38522/

I wonder if the author read "The Last Tycoon"?  His take away doesn't fit the book where the famous quote is found.

[Leftcoast]

"There are no second acts in American lives." - F. Scott Fitzgerald

Tiger's fall from grace is tragic in the complete older definition of the word - an otherworldly talent who seemingly had it all only to fall far and hard due to a fatal flaw.  I am rooting for his American life to defy the odds and have a second act.

Others are not.  I know my wife and mother, who both became interested in golf while watching a young and charismatic Tiger make a genteel country club game relevant, were at first disbelieving and later horrified by the endless revelations.  Tiger's fall was somehow personal to them because they believed in him.  Allegations against abusive football and basketball players have splashed over them invoking little more than a momentary disgust but Tiger's betrayals went deeper and demanded justice.  Tiger's struggles have been a karmic payback for misplaced trust. 

They might forgive him eventually ... but not yet. 

For my part I'm less interested in punishing the guilty and more interested in seeing the human side of our heroes triumph over obstacles - ESPECIALLY the ones they created for themselves.  Tiger coming back in his later years to make a run at a Masters or US Open would bookend his career and quickly become the biggest story in American sports.  American's love a tale of struggle and redemption.

I don't know what physical and mental factors have made the once indomitable Tiger 3 putt on greens and quadruple bogey holes he used to routinely birdy.  I don't know whether his constant tweaking of his swing and frequent changes in coaches have played with his head or whether his fall from grace has caused him to question his swing as well as his choices.

I just know that if he ever finds the magic again it would be the biggest event in golf since, well since Woods broke out with his first act back in 1997.

==================

As an aside, I'm not sure I agree with this response to F. Scott Fitzgerald's quote but it's of some interest and not the least because it was written 5 years ago.  I'd say Tiger has experienced a second act at least  by this author's definition based upon the middle act of a three act play.

http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment...act/38522/

I wonder if the author read "The Last Tycoon"?  His take away doesn't fit the book where the famous quote is found.

[CornFed]

Well said LC and captures the perspective I have on his epic presence over the years.  His emergence revitalized a somnolent, even fading sport.  The dynamism he injected provided an echo of my childhood heroes - Palmer, Nicklaus, Casper, Trevino, Player, etal. - and the reawakened the memories of the icons of the game - Nelson, Hogan, Jones, Snead, etal.  He was a slap in the face to a golf world that was becoming fat, dumb and happy just clipping coupons and not getting too sassy with the status quo.  Payne Stewart was an incipient flame that may have rekindled the dying embers of what had been a competitive inferno.  But he was snuffed out.


Tiger came to the Tour and CRUSHED the existing players.  They had just never encountered a carnivorous, fearless, undaunted element like him.  He played exclusively to win.  He was consciously playing for history the first time he teed up as a professional.  There was only one player who was able to elevate his game and his mentality to try to confront Tiger, and that was Phil Mickelson.


Then, when it became immediately clear that Tiger would be an historic golf figure, broad swaths of the sports world commentariat anointed him the clear #1 golfer of all time - ignoring almost entirely the legends I mentioned before.  The sole measure used was the ongoing count of majors.  Never mind that in his early years Tiger faced only imitations of golfers.  When Tiger arrived, Phil had not yet won any majors, and I frequently said that he was MAYBE the second best left-handed golfer of all time after Bob Charles.  None of the others could access the competitive intensity of Tiger.


The tragedy of his fall is made more so by the fact that it denied us the opportunity to see him confront, at his competitive peak, the threat that he created to his dominance.  The boys who grew up being inspired by Tiger's courage and excellence, are unafraid of Tiger, or anyone else.  That is the core gift that Tiger gave the golf world.  Today's emerging talent on the PGA Tour is an echo of the massive impact of Tiger's presence 15 years ago.


There are many who are experiencing schadenfreude with Tiger's collapse and his unbelievable incompetence on the golf course these days.  I do not share that.  In fact, I believe I have glimpsed a rebirth in Tiger in his attitude in interviews and his general body language.  I am hopeful he has experienced the fall and will now find his true bliss.  If he could be stronger by becoming better acquainted with his weakness, he will be an example to us all.

[CornFed]

Well said LC and captures the perspective I have on his epic presence over the years.  His emergence revitalized a somnolent, even fading sport.  The dynamism he injected provided an echo of my childhood heroes - Palmer, Nicklaus, Casper, Trevino, Player, etal. - and the reawakened the memories of the icons of the game - Nelson, Hogan, Jones, Snead, etal.  He was a slap in the face to a golf world that was becoming fat, dumb and happy just clipping coupons and not getting too sassy with the status quo.  Payne Stewart was an incipient flame that may have rekindled the dying embers of what had been a competitive inferno.  But he was snuffed out.


Tiger came to the Tour and CRUSHED the existing players.  They had just never encountered a carnivorous, fearless, undaunted element like him.  He played exclusively to win.  He was consciously playing for history the first time he teed up as a professional.  There was only one player who was able to elevate his game and his mentality to try to confront Tiger, and that was Phil Mickelson.


Then, when it became immediately clear that Tiger would be an historic golf figure, broad swaths of the sports world commentariat anointed him the clear #1 golfer of all time - ignoring almost entirely the legends I mentioned before.  The sole measure used was the ongoing count of majors.  Never mind that in his early years Tiger faced only imitations of golfers.  When Tiger arrived, Phil had not yet won any majors, and I frequently said that he was MAYBE the second best left-handed golfer of all time after Bob Charles.  None of the others could access the competitive intensity of Tiger.


The tragedy of his fall is made more so by the fact that it denied us the opportunity to see him confront, at his competitive peak, the threat that he created to his dominance.  The boys who grew up being inspired by Tiger's courage and excellence, are unafraid of Tiger, or anyone else.  That is the core gift that Tiger gave the golf world.  Today's emerging talent on the PGA Tour is an echo of the massive impact of Tiger's presence 15 years ago.


There are many who are experiencing schadenfreude with Tiger's collapse and his unbelievable incompetence on the golf course these days.  I do not share that.  In fact, I believe I have glimpsed a rebirth in Tiger in his attitude in interviews and his general body language.  I am hopeful he has experienced the fall and will now find his true bliss.  If he could be stronger by becoming better acquainted with his weakness, he will be an example to us all.

[oman]

I think it's swell that he became a household name.

Sorry that the family life went bad. 

I know I would have found a marrying a Swede and handling godlike athletic success hard to deal with.

[oman]

I think it's swell that he became a household name.

Sorry that the family life went bad. 

I know I would have found a marrying a Swede and handling godlike athletic success hard to deal with.

[winflop]

When I think about Tiger's meltdown, I think about the kids.  Tiger's greatest contribution was the number of kids who got interested in golf because of him.  And he let them down.  I would have hated to have been a parent of a golfing kid and having to explain to my kid what happened.  Not a fun conversation.

[winflop]

When I think about Tiger's meltdown, I think about the kids.  Tiger's greatest contribution was the number of kids who got interested in golf because of him.  And he let them down.  I would have hated to have been a parent of a golfing kid and having to explain to my kid what happened.  Not a fun conversation.

[Spiny_Norman]

I would have hated to have been a parent of a golfing kid and having to explain to my kid what happened.  Not a fun conversation.

Winflop, I am not a parent but I do have young nieces and nephews.  I would find it easier to talk with them about Tiger Woods than Cialis or Viagra ads which seem to be ubiquitous on sports telecasts.

[Spiny_Norman]

I would have hated to have been a parent of a golfing kid and having to explain to my kid what happened.  Not a fun conversation.

Winflop, I am not a parent but I do have young nieces and nephews.  I would find it easier to talk with them about Tiger Woods than Cialis or Viagra ads which seem to be ubiquitous on sports telecasts.

[oman]

I would have hated to have been a parent of a golfing kid

Does sound boring.

[oman]

I would have hated to have been a parent of a golfing kid

Does sound boring.

[Hulk01]

Regarding all those ads:


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[Hulk01]

Regarding all those ads:


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[fullmetal]

(Am I the only one who twitches every time I read the title of this thread...?  Partick...no one here by that name. /neurosis)

[fullmetal]

(Am I the only one who twitches every time I read the title of this thread...?  Partick...no one here by that name. /neurosis)

[CTcard]

Regarding all those ads:

Of course it's long been known that latter part is more a boast than a warning.

[CTcard]

Regarding all those ads:

Of course it's long been known that latter part is more a boast than a warning.