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NCAA to Allow Endorsements for Athletes - cardcrimson - 10-29-2019

Breaking news. More to come. Wow.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2019/10/29/ncaa-board-opens-door-athletes-use-name-image-and-likeness/2492383001/

RE: NCAA to Allow Endorsements for Athletes - BobK - 10-29-2019

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/27957981/ncaa-votes-allow-athletes-profit-likeness

California once again the leader.

RE: NCAA to Allow Endorsements for Athletes - OutsiderFan - 10-29-2019

The NCAA can just shut down its chronically under staffed and sham investigative division now. All payments to athletes will be transparent and not against NCAA rules. Been waiting for this day a long time. Knew it would come, but not this soon!

California, ONCE AGAIN shows the way for the rest of the country.

RE: NCAA to Allow Endorsements for Athletes - cardcrimson - 10-29-2019

(10-29-2019, 11:28 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: California, ONCE AGAIN shows the way for the rest of the country.

I don't think you really want to go down that road, and besides, I didn't think political commentary was allowed on this board.

RE: NCAA to Allow Endorsements for Athletes - OutsiderFan - 10-29-2019

(10-29-2019, 12:14 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:
(10-29-2019, 11:28 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: California, ONCE AGAIN shows the way for the rest of the country.

I don't think you really want to go down that road, and besides, I didn't think political commentary was allowed on this board.

I can't as a California native express pride in my state for forever changing college sports? WTF is wrong with that? Am I not allowed to say I'm proud to be an American or that I root for Team USA too? Stop it.

I'm waiting for some people to comment on the NCAA decision and discuss its implications. That's what this thread is about.

RE: NCAA to Allow Endorsements for Athletes - BostonCard - 10-29-2019

I hope this doesn’t one day get filed under “be careful what you wish for”

BC

RE: NCAA to Allow Endorsements for Athletes - 82lsju - 10-29-2019

Quote:The NCAA's top policy-making group on Tuesday voted "unanimously to permit students participating in athletics the opportunity to benefit from the use of their name, image and likeness in a manner consistent with the collegiate model," the association said in a news release.

I wonder what exactly is "in a manner consistent with the collegiate model"

RE: NCAA to Allow Endorsements for Athletes - 76lsjumb - 10-29-2019

(10-29-2019, 11:00 AM)BobK Wrote: https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/27957981/ncaa-votes-allow-athletes-profit-likeness

California once again the leader.

Oops. My bad. Thought you were talking about wildfires...

RE: NCAA to Allow Endorsements for Athletes - ColoradoTree - 10-29-2019

(10-29-2019, 01:09 PM)82lsju Wrote:
Quote:The NCAA's top policy-making group on Tuesday voted "unanimously to permit students participating in athletics the opportunity to benefit from the use of their name, image and likeness in a manner consistent with the collegiate model," the association said in a news release.

I wonder what exactly is "in a manner consistent with the collegiate model"

Exactly right. The headlines we're seeing do not match what the NCAA is seeking. To "benefit ... in a manner consistent with the collegiate model" does not mean that athletes can be paid or be endorsed. Under the "collegiate model," they don't get paid!

RE: NCAA to Allow Endorsements for Athletes - 82lsju - 10-29-2019

some more from the NCAA press release

https://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/board-governors-starts-process-enhance-name-image-and-likeness-opportunities

most but not all in the original article

Quote:Specifically, the board said modernization should occur within the following principles and guidelines:

Assure student-athletes are treated similarly to non-athlete students unless a compelling reason exists to differentiate.

Maintain the priorities of education and the collegiate experience to provide opportunities for student-athlete success.

Ensure rules are transparent, focused and enforceable and facilitate fair and balanced competition.

Make clear the distinction between collegiate and professional opportunities.

Make clear that compensation for athletics performance or participation is impermissible.

Reaffirm that student-athletes are students first and not employees of the university.

Enhance principles of diversity, inclusion and gender equity.

Protect the recruiting environment and prohibit inducements to select, remain at, or transfer to a specific institution.

lots of wiggle room in the above, for example

- note sure how the compensation would not at least be peripherally tied to athletics performance, generally the star player with name recognition is going to get more than a scout team player, after all their athletic performance is usually what gives them more name recognition.......

RE: NCAA to Allow Endorsements for Athletes - Goose - 10-29-2019

I think this announcement is the NCAA agreeing that there is an issue here that they can no longer avoid. It also indicates to me that they will address it in the most arcane and indirect manner possible in order to effect what "they" consider minimal change. I am not sure that they will get away with it, but I don't see an opening of the floodgates at this time. I will believe that when the checks clear.

RE: NCAA to Allow Endorsements for Athletes - OutsiderFan - 10-29-2019

Gotta admit, I reacted far too much based on what the headline said than the bullet points posted. Those sure leave a lot of room for interpretation.

I do see NC Sen. Richard Burr now wants to introduce legislation that would treat a scholarship as income for tax purposes if athletes Cashin on NIL income. That seems a bit absurd. Tax NIL income, sure, but scholarships? Basically he is saying he wants to tax NIL income double; you pay for it when you get NIL income, and then have to use the rest of it to pay taxes on your scholarship.

The long and the short of it is it is going to take a long time for the NIL compensation mechanisms and policies to work themselves out. There is so much to develop that it probably makes little sense to speculate how this is going to impact college sports. It will have an impact but we really have no idea how at this point.

RE: NCAA to Allow Endorsements for Athletes - Goose - 10-29-2019

(10-29-2019, 02:18 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: The long and the short of it is it is going to take a long time for the NIL compensation mechanisms and policies to work themselves out. There is so much to develop that it probably makes little sense to speculate how this is going to impact college sports. It will have an impact but we really have no idea how at this point.

Totally agree. It would be nice if all the "stakeholders", with their various gain and loss functions, could work together on this issue. Unfortunately, I think the chances of that are nil. The results going ahead could be almost anything.

RE: NCAA to Allow Endorsements for Athletes - cardcrimson - 10-29-2019

(10-29-2019, 12:28 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote:
(10-29-2019, 12:14 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:
(10-29-2019, 11:28 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: California, ONCE AGAIN shows the way for the rest of the country.

I don't think you really want to go down that road, and besides, I didn't think political commentary was allowed on this board.

I can't as a California native express pride in my state for forever changing college sports? WTF is wrong with that? Am I not allowed to say I'm proud to be an American or that I root for Team USA too? Stop it.

I'm waiting for some people to comment on the NCAA decision and discuss its implications. That's what this thread is about.

Sure you can, but just don't let your golden colored glasses filter out state policies that could also have a brobdingnagian negative impact on sports in the state such as underfunded state employee pensions that are short by hundreds of billions. Funding for youth and high school sports are already struggling and when the chickens come home to roost, California sports will be decimated. But hey California will forever be changing youth sports, too!

RE: NCAA to Allow Endorsements for Athletes - martyup - 10-29-2019

The devil is in the details. One of the goals stated by the NCAA is:

Quote:Making clear that compensation for athletics performance or participation is impermissible.

Well, the value of an athlete's NIL is based on his/her athletic performances. If a freshman QB starts putting up RGIII numbers, must he keep the price of his NIL steady to comply? Ridiculous.

Can of worms here folks.

RE: NCAA to Allow Endorsements for Athletes - 2006alum - 10-29-2019

(10-29-2019, 02:18 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Gotta admit, I reacted far too much based on what the headline said than the bullet points posted. Those sure leave a lot of room for interpretation.

I do see NC Sen. Richard Burr now wants to introduce legislation that would treat a scholarship as income for tax purposes if athletes Cashin on NIL income. That seems a bit absurd. Tax NIL income, sure, but scholarships? Basically he is saying he wants to tax NIL income double; you pay for it when you get NIL income, and then have to use the rest of it to pay taxes on your scholarship.

May I direct you to this earlier post of mine that, IIRC, was pooh-pooh'd at the time:

(10-15-2019, 04:06 PM)2006alum Wrote: Now factor in that if they were being compensated as employees, they'd need to pay taxes on it [scholarship and NIL income], which suddenly strips their take-home amount by at least 1/3, probably more. Right now, Uncle Sam is subsidizing their compensation by making it all tax-free. The straw-man cellist comparator everyone likes to mention who works side gigs and to generate income from their talents? Oh right, they would need to pay taxes on those gigs.

Quite frankly, if the scholarship, room, board, and misc. expenses stipend is what allows a football player to have the time and resources to play the sport that generates himself $500k of NIL income per year, I have absolutely no idea why Uncle Sam, you, and me, should be subsidizing his income by making the financial support than enables him to do it tax free. If it's a free market, like so many want it to be, then tax it the way you tax all income in a free market!

RE: NCAA to Allow Endorsements for Athletes - OutsiderFan - 10-29-2019

(10-29-2019, 06:45 PM)2006alum Wrote:
(10-29-2019, 02:18 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Gotta admit, I reacted far too much based on what the headline said than the bullet points posted. Those sure leave a lot of room for interpretation.

I do see NC Sen. Richard Burr now wants to introduce legislation that would treat a scholarship as income for tax purposes if athletes Cashin on NIL income. That seems a bit absurd. Tax NIL income, sure, but scholarships? Basically he is saying he wants to tax NIL income double; you pay for it when you get NIL income, and then have to use the rest of it to pay taxes on your scholarship.

May I direct you to this earlier post of mine that, IIRC, was pooh-pooh'd at the time:

(10-15-2019, 04:06 PM)2006alum Wrote: Now factor in that if they were being compensated as employees, they'd need to pay taxes on it [scholarship and NIL income], which suddenly strips their take-home amount by at least 1/3, probably more. Right now, Uncle Sam is subsidizing their compensation by making it all tax-free. The straw-man cellist comparator everyone likes to mention who works side gigs and to generate income from their talents? Oh right, they would need to pay taxes on those gigs.

Quite frankly, if the scholarship, room, board, and misc. expenses stipend is what allows a football player to have the time and resources to play the sport that generates himself $500k of NIL income per year, I have absolutely no idea why Uncle Sam, you, and me, should be subsidizing his income by making the financial support than enables him to do it tax free. If it's a free market, like so many want it to be, then tax it the way you tax all income in a free market!

That’s a reasonable point. My inclination is to say it’s inequitable to tax a kid for a scholarship when the school is making so much money off him. But this whole situation is full of inequities all over the place. Value of a Stanford full ride vs. San Jose State one. Women’s sports vs. Men’s. Revenue sports vs. non. Olympic sports like swimming vs. Team sports like Football. And on and on.

The good news is a consensus has developed that agrees college athletes should be allowed to collect income off their NIL. Now we must see how it plays out. Each Division has been tasked with developing guidelines that can be implemented by Jan 2021.

RE: NCAA to Allow Endorsements for Athletes - CTcard - 10-29-2019

(10-29-2019, 01:21 PM)82lsju Wrote:
Quote:Specifically, the board said modernization should occur within the following principles and guidelines:

Assure student-athletes are treated similarly to non-athlete students unless a compelling reason exists to differentiate.

Maintain the priorities of education and the collegiate experience to provide opportunities for student-athlete success.

Ensure rules are transparent, focused and enforceable and facilitate fair and balanced competition.

Make clear the distinction between collegiate and professional opportunities.

Make clear that compensation for athletics performance or participation is impermissible.

Reaffirm that student-athletes are students first and not employees of the university.

Enhance principles of diversity, inclusion and gender equity.

Protect the recruiting environment and prohibit inducements to select, remain at, or transfer to a specific institution.

lots of wiggle room in the above, for example

- note sure how the compensation would not at least be peripherally tied to athletics performance, generally the star player with name recognition is going to get more than a scout team player, after all their athletic performance is usually what gives them more name recognition.......

I think they mean for that statement to be that institutions cannot pay a player for their participation or performance. And apparently others will be paying for use of their name and likeness, not their performance. [The fact that their performance makes their name more valuable seems to be indirect enough not to matter.]

The item on that list which rather caught my eye was the last one. I see no possibility of allowing outsiders to pay for using a players name that would actually rule out an inducement to select, remain at, or transfer to some particular institution.

RE: NCAA to Allow Endorsements for Athletes - BostonCard - 10-29-2019

My guess is that as long as an explicit quid pro quo is not stated out loud, the NCAA will pretend that an implicit quid pro quo does not constitute an “inducement”.

BC

RE: NCAA to Allow Endorsements for Athletes - murky - 10-30-2019

(10-29-2019, 11:34 PM)BostonCard Wrote: My guess is that as long as an explicit quid pro quo is not stated out loud, the NCAA will pretend that an implicit quid pro quo does not constitute an “inducement”.

BC

We all know that quid pro quo is in the eye of the beholder.

- Do me a favor, before I give you this $1,000,000 endorsement deal we've talked about, give my friend at Notre Dame a call and hear what he has to say about their program.