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Michael Williams transferring - winflop - 12-05-2019
DT Michael Williams, aka "Uncle Julio", has entered the transfer portal.
https://247sports.com/college/stanford/Article/Stanford-football-Michael-Williams-transfer-portal-graduate-139840076
The article says he's a redshirt junior. I'm assuming that means academically he's a senior? Does that mean he will graduate before he transfers?
RE: Michael Williams transferring - BostonCard - 12-05-2019
Ok if I merge this into This thread, where the information has already been posted?
BC
RE: Michael Williams transferring - winflop - 12-05-2019
If you want. I thought it deserved to be a separate thing since this is news and not just speculation/discussion of what might happen
RE: Michael Williams transferring - OutsiderFan - 12-05-2019
So right now we know the 2020 DL can at best be?
DE Booker - Shaffer - Pakola
DT DWP - Phillips
DE Swann - Johnson - Boles
If at least Swann or Shaffer return it won’t be unmitigated disaster in 2020. If neither return, it is really bleak. The real problem is going to be 2021.
Only Phillips and Pakola, plus whoever is brought in over the remainder of 2020 and 2021. Will be available. If either Phillips or Pakola have to retire, Stanford may not have more than 4 DL on the roster, and only Pakola will have more than one year playing experience.
RE: Michael Williams transferring - CTcard - 12-05-2019
(12-05-2019, 12:32 AM)winflop Wrote: The article says he's a redshirt junior. I'm assuming that means academically he's a senior? Does that mean he will graduate before he transfers?
Yes, Williams has been at Stanford four years - or will have by the end of spring quarter.
He must graduate if he wants to "transfer" and still play football, or he would not have eligibility left.
RE: Michael Williams transferring - Mick - 12-05-2019
(12-05-2019, 12:32 AM)winflop Wrote: DT Michael Williams, aka "Uncle Julio", has entered the transfer portal.
https://247sports.com/college/stanford/Article/Stanford-football-Michael-Williams-transfer-portal-graduate-139840076
The article says he's a redshirt junior. I'm assuming that means academically he's a senior? Does that mean he will graduate before he transfers?
That's too bad. Mrs. Mick and I met him and two other Stanford players two years ago at a barbecue place in San Jose. Very nice, very impressive young men. I really liked Williams. Seemed like a great guy. We talked Stanford football for a while.
RE: Michael Williams transferring - cardcrimson - 12-05-2019
(12-05-2019, 12:46 AM)winflop Wrote: If you want. I thought it deserved to be a separate thing since this is news and not just speculation/discussion of what might happen
FWIW, that thread had a link to a 247 article on Williams entering the portal, twasn't just speculation.
(12-05-2019, 06:17 AM)CTcard Wrote:(12-05-2019, 12:32 AM)winflop Wrote: The article says he's a redshirt junior. I'm assuming that means academically he's a senior? Does that mean he will graduate before he transfers?
Yes, Williams has been at Stanford four years - or will have by the end of spring quarter.
He must graduate if he wants to "transfer" and still play football, or he would not have eligibility left.
Thought he could sit out a year if he didn't graduate.
RE: Michael Williams transferring - Row80Critic - 12-05-2019
If a player graduates, is it a foregone conclusion that he can get into a masters program or otherwise stay enrolled/eligible to play?
RE: Michael Williams transferring - ColoradoTree - 12-05-2019
(12-05-2019, 10:19 AM)Row80Critic Wrote: If a player graduates, is it a foregone conclusion that he can get into a masters program or otherwise stay enrolled/eligible to play?
Assuming the program wants the kid to stay for a 5th year? It's still a separate grad school application process, and the program a kid can get into may not be the master's program they preferred, but I think if a team wants a kid to stick around for a 5th year and the kid wants to stick around, they'll make it work. (And failing grad school acceptance, one could always just take a 13th quarter of classes the fall of your 5th year, then graduate with your Bachelor's at the end of Fall Quarter. The student in question would just wait to "apply for graduation" and keep taking classes, I think.)
From what I've gleaned, it's the program's call. If they want you to stay, it'll work out one way or another. If they don't want you to stick around, then you'll need to transfer out if you want to keep playing, and then it's entirely up to the second school whether you get accepted.
RE: Michael Williams transferring - Phogge - 12-05-2019
Good luck to him, battled back from medical. No big loss, an average player who played as hard as he could.
RE: Michael Williams transferring - qwerty49 - 12-05-2019
(12-05-2019, 10:27 AM)ColoradoTree Wrote:(12-05-2019, 10:19 AM)Row80Critic Wrote: If a player graduates, is it a foregone conclusion that he can get into a masters program or otherwise stay enrolled/eligible to play?
Assuming the program wants the kid to stay for a 5th year? It's still a separate grad school application process, and the program a kid can get into may not be the master's program they preferred, but I think if a team wants a kid to stick around for a 5th year and the kid wants to stick around, they'll make it work. (And failing grad school acceptance, one could always just take a 13th quarter of classes the fall of your 5th year, then graduate with your Bachelor's at the end of Fall Quarter. The student in question would just wait to "apply for graduation" and keep taking classes, I think.)
From what I've gleaned, it's the program's call. If they want you to stay, it'll work out one way or another. If they don't want you to stick around, then you'll need to transfer out if you want to keep playing, and then it's entirely up to the second school whether you get accepted.
Does it follow that entering the transfer portal could be the equivalent of applying to a “safety school?” ie keeping his options open
Or does Occam’s Razor apply and this is just wishful thinking on my part, ie he’s gone.
RE: Michael Williams transferring - BostonCard - 12-05-2019
(12-05-2019, 08:34 AM)cardcrimson Wrote: Thought he could sit out a year if he didn't graduate.
The five years to play four rule still applies. Next year will be Williams' fifth year, so if he sat out he would exhaust eligibility.
BC
RE: Michael Williams transferring - cardcrimson - 12-05-2019
(12-05-2019, 10:53 AM)BostonCard Wrote:Is there some leeway if there was a medical redshirt involved? Or is that only if it occurs during the fourth year. . . .(12-05-2019, 08:34 AM)cardcrimson Wrote: Thought he could sit out a year if he didn't graduate.
The five years to play four rule still applies. Next year will be Williams' fifth year, so if he sat out he would exhaust eligibility.
BC
RE: Michael Williams transferring - BostonCard - 12-05-2019
(12-05-2019, 11:09 AM)cardcrimson Wrote:(12-05-2019, 10:53 AM)BostonCard Wrote:Is there some leeway if there was a medical redshirt involved? Or is that only if it occurs during the fourth year. . . .(12-05-2019, 08:34 AM)cardcrimson Wrote: Thought he could sit out a year if he didn't graduate.
The five years to play four rule still applies. Next year will be Williams' fifth year, so if he sat out he would exhaust eligibility.
BC
One can apply for a hardship waiver only if two of the missed years are involuntary (typically injury related, but there can also be other extenuating circumstances). Sitting out a year because of the NCAA transfer rules, while not voluntary, I don't think counts.
BC
RE: Michael Williams transferring - SamuelMcF - 12-05-2019
(12-05-2019, 10:35 AM)Phogge Wrote: Good luck to him, battled back from medical. No big loss, an average player who played as hard as he could.
Williams anchored our DL against the run. We're boned without him.
RE: Michael Williams transferring - BostonCard - 12-05-2019
(12-05-2019, 11:19 AM)SamuelMcF Wrote:(12-05-2019, 10:35 AM)Phogge Wrote: Good luck to him, battled back from medical. No big loss, an average player who played as hard as he could.
Williams anchored our DL against the run. We're boned without him.
Right, the question is less how good was Williams but how much better is he than the next guy.
BC
RE: Michael Williams transferring - teejers1 - 12-05-2019
(12-05-2019, 11:19 AM)SamuelMcF Wrote:(12-05-2019, 10:35 AM)Phogge Wrote: Good luck to him, battled back from medical. No big loss, an average player who played as hard as he could.
Williams anchored our DL against the run. We're boned without him.
I agree. Don't know how this can be viewed as anything but very bad news for 2020 (and not a great reflection on the program).
RE: Michael Williams transferring - French Rage - 12-05-2019
If a player spends four years and gets his degree, he has done all that is asked of him in my opinion. I am not going to lose sleep over whether he stays or goes at that point; as good as Stanford is, he might prefer a graduate program elsewhere, there is no crime in that. I will congratulate him on his next step in his 40-year plan.
RE: Michael Williams transferring - cardcrimson - 12-05-2019
(12-05-2019, 11:38 AM)teejers1 Wrote:(12-05-2019, 11:19 AM)SamuelMcF Wrote:(12-05-2019, 10:35 AM)Phogge Wrote: Good luck to him, battled back from medical. No big loss, an average player who played as hard as he could.
Williams anchored our DL against the run. We're boned without him.
I agree. Don't know how this can be viewed as anything but very bad news for 2020 (and not a great reflection on the program).
Maybe the hammer thrower (or was it discus) who joined the team early on to bolster the O-line, can switch to the D-line. . . .
RE: Michael Williams transferring - winflop - 12-05-2019
(12-05-2019, 11:57 AM)French Rage Wrote: If a player spends four years and gets his degree, he has done all that is asked of him in my opinion. I am not going to lose sleep over whether he stays or goes at that point; as good as Stanford is, he might prefer a graduate program elsewhere, there is no crime in that. I will congratulate him on his next step in his 40-year plan.
Exactly. I can't imagine he won't graduate - what's the point in transferring if he won't be able to play his fifth year?