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Accepted to all the ivies but - BobK - 05-04-2015
Stanford bound
http://www.theroot.com/articles/news/2015/04/memphis_teen_who_got_accepted_to_all_8_ivy_league_schools_is_headed_to.html
Re: Accepted to all the ivies but - Nan3cy - 05-04-2015
Awesome. :)
Re: Accepted to all the ivies but - fullmetal - 05-05-2015
What a story :)Â
Re: Accepted to all the ivies but - yvonne - 05-05-2015
Wait. I thought applying to all eight ivies meant a person had no sense of direction, and had done no research.
Re: Accepted to all the ivies but - stupac2 - 05-05-2015
(05-05-2015, 11:53 AM)Yvonne link Wrote:Wait. I thought applying to all eight ivies meant a person had no sense of direction, and had done no research.
Or is pointlessly showing off. One of those things.
Re: Accepted to all the ivies but - BostonCard - 05-05-2015
I agree with Yvonne and Stupac. I am not impressed. Nor do I feel all that proud that someone who seems like kind of a douche picked Stanford over the eight Ivy schools. I think he might have been a better fit for one of the Stanfords of the East.
BC
Re: Accepted to all the ivies but - fullmetal - 05-05-2015
His counselors may have had something to do with encouraging him to apply *everywhere*...don't be so hard on the kid.
Re: Accepted to all the ivies but - BostonCard - 05-05-2015
Sorry, don't buy it. What I see is a kid with a massive ego. If his counselors advised him to apply to all the Ivy's plus Stanford, then they should be fired. I get that it's easy to just check boxes on the common app, but that doesn't take away from the fact that he wasted a bunch of admissions' officers time, pushed a half dozen kids onto the wait list by taking up a spot, wasted his parents money, all just to be able to say "I was admitted to all the Ivy's". Aside from the ego question, I totally agree with Yvonne; it shows complete lack of direction. Each of the eight Ivy league schools (plus Stanford and wherever else he applied) are very different schools, in different environments, and with different educational philosophies. That's the sort of research kids should do before applying to schools.
Lastly, if he had pulled the stunt but kept his mouth shut about it, fine (In any case, none of us would be discussing it because it wasn't well known). But at least it would have shown some humility.
I'll get off my soap box now.
BC
Re: Accepted to all the ivies but - Mick - 05-05-2015
(05-05-2015, 01:28 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:Sorry, don't buy it. What I see is a kid with a massive ego. If his counselors advised him to apply to all the Ivy's plus Stanford, then they should be fired. I get that it's easy to just check boxes on the common app, but that doesn't take away from the fact that he wasted a bunch of admissions' officers time, pushed a half dozen kids onto the wait list by taking up a spot, wasted his parents money, all just to be able to say "I was admitted to all the Ivy's". Aside from the ego question, I totally agree with Yvonne; it shows complete lack of direction. Each of the eight Ivy league schools (plus Stanford and wherever else he applied) are very different schools, in different environments, and with different educational philosophies. That's the sort of research kids should do before applying to schools.
Lastly, if he had pulled the stunt but kept his mouth shut about it, fine (In any case, none of us would be discussing it because it wasn't well known). But at least it would have shown some humility.
I'll get off my soap box now.
BC
He sounds to me like the kind of guy who will write "Accepted to all eight Ivies and Stanford" on his resume...and leave it there until the end of time.
Re: Accepted to all the ivies but - CTcard - 05-05-2015
(05-05-2015, 01:28 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:... I totally agree with Yvonne; it shows complete lack of direction.Â
Of course Yvonne will have to speak for herself, but I got the impression that wasn't her own point so much as noting the different response the board had to the kid who got into all the Ivies and Stanford and chose Harvard (or I might be conflating two separate previous threads here).
Either way, while I intend to agree with your soap box rant, he wouldn't exactly be the first kid who still has some maturing to do after getting into Stanford. He certainly appears bright enough so there should be plenty of hope.
Re: Accepted to all the ivies but - Farm93 - 05-05-2015
The universal application changed this game. With the acceptance rates for all of these schools approaching single digits, only a arrogant fool would apply to just one or two. Yes, the Ivy League schools are very different from each other, but they are more similar to each other than they are to Penn State or Rutgers.
The universal application makes it really easy for kids to apply to 15 or 20 schools, and far easier to apply to several highly selective schools. I actually wonder how many Stanford applicants and/or Stanford admits from this class applied 5 or more Ivy League schools too. Applying, and getting accepted, to all of the Ivies is probably rare, but I bet applying to the majority of the schools in the Ivy league is now rather common in these incoming classes.
Many of the people on this board applied to Stanford when the odds were 1 in 6 or better. Now the odds are 1 in 20. Given those new odds I can't fault someone for thinking they should apply to 10 or more highly selective schools. Then if by chance a student gets into several schools it would not shock me to learn to that some local paper would run a quick story on the accomplishment.
The universal application changed this game, so it seems unfair to apply 70s, 80s or even 90s application standards to these kids.
Re: Accepted to all the ivies but - CrazedZooChimp - 05-05-2015
(05-05-2015, 01:15 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:I agree with Yvonne and Stupac. I am not impressed. Nor do I feel all that proud that someone who seems like kind of a douche picked Stanford over the eight Ivy schools. I think he might have been a better fit for one of the Stanfords of the East.
BC
Hmm, well, thanks to this thread I've learned at least one thing that can make a person seem like an arrogant douche at least as much as applying to every Ivy...
Re: Accepted to all the ivies but - BostonCard - 05-05-2015
(05-05-2015, 02:16 PM)CrazedZooChimp link Wrote:[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=12098.msg117702#msg117702 date=1430856955]
I agree with Yvonne and Stupac. I am not impressed. Nor do I feel all that proud that someone who seems like kind of a douche picked Stanford over the eight Ivy schools. I think he might have been a better fit for one of the Stanfords of the East.
BC
Hmm, well, thanks to this thread I've learned at least one thing that can make a person seem like an arrogant douche at least as much as applying to every Ivy...
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Point taken. Thanks for the feedback. I'm off the soap box.
BC
Re: Accepted to all the ivies but - Papa John - 05-05-2015
I'm with Farm93, and, frankly, I don't get the animosity. Let's see, both of his parents are blind, he was raised by his mother and works 20 hours a week to help out at home...that's a douchebag?
On top of that, it looks like the Ivy League meme doesn't apply in this case:
http://www.wpxi.com/news/news/education/memphis-teen-chooses-after-being-accepted/nk5N9/
Scroll to the bottom, or, if you don't want to click, here's the quote from the local Memphis Fox affiliate:
Quote:CORRECTION: An earlier version of this story reported Dellarontay was accepted to seven Ivy League schools. MyFoxMemphis later learned that information was incorrect.
Re: Accepted to all the ivies but - Papa John - 05-05-2015
And as self-appointed president of the Dellarontay Readus fan club, I provide the following link as a public service:
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10153284443796738&id=42322531737
Welcome to Stanford, Dellarontay!
Re: Accepted to all the ivies but - dabigv13 - 05-05-2015
When I applied in 01/02, I think I applied to H,Y,P, Penn, Columbia, Stanford, UCs. I suppose if I didn't have a great state public school system, I may have applied to the other Ivies.
I don't think it's necessarily douchey to apply to, or get into (that's really not his fault is it?) all the Ivies, but having a story written about it would be embarassing I'd think. This kid seems alright. Some of the other kids I've read about would not necessarily be my first choice roommate.
Re: Accepted to all the ivies but - CTcard - 05-05-2015
(05-05-2015, 02:12 PM)Farm93 link Wrote:The universal application changed this game.Â
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Many of the people on this board applied to Stanford when the odds were 1 in 6 or better. Now the odds are 1 in 20.Â
At least to me, it is an interesting question just how much the odds of getting into Stanford (or any very elite school) have really changed. There is definitely a general air of "it's much harder to get into a top college these days".
However, unless you consider every application equal and admissions a pure roll of the dice, then the odds clearly haven't changed as much as 1/6 versus 1/20.
With the rise in number of applicants means that their are a lot of applications that simply have no chance. Those won't change the odds of the ones that do have a chance.
The fact that many of the best students now apply to most all of the elite colleges doesn't change the odds of getting into one on average, but almost certainly makes the entire process more random. That again drives individual decisions to apply to more colleges, thus making the overall problem worse. A nasty feedback loop.
How to go beyond that is tricky.
The overall 18 year old population hasn't changed all that much for a long time now, with the overall maximum coming at the end of the baby boom era (born around 1956-61* - entering college around 1974-1979).
However, lots of things have changed since, say, 1970.
First of all, clearly the Ivies (and Stanford) have diversified their student bodies a lot.
That means if you are from a poor background and an ethnic minority your chances have gone way up - from a starting point near zero.
One corollary would have to be if you come from a relatively wealthy white family your chances must have gone down.
Have students on average become better? No or not by much according to most longitudinal studies I have seen. However, average is not particularly relevant to Ivy admissions.
So, has the top end separated itself further from the mean? I have seen some studies that say yes, or at least maybe - though a modest effect.
It's hard to come to any real conclusions. The more you think about it more difficult it is to even define what you mean by "harder to get into college these days".
* the years 1956-1961 were the only ones with over 4.2 million births in the USA. Well, at least until recently when that number was exceeded from 2006-2008. Presumably that will lead to another bump in competition for the entering classes of 2024-2026 [including my son for the end of that].
If you were born in 1973 you were at the post-WW2 minimum, 3.14 million births.
Re: Accepted to all the ivies but - yvonne - 05-05-2015
(05-05-2015, 01:45 PM)CTcard link Wrote:[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=12098.msg117706#msg117706 date=1430857704]
... I totally agree with Yvonne; it shows complete lack of direction.Â
Of course Yvonne will have to speak for herself, but I got the impression that wasn't her own point so much as noting the different response the board had to the kid who got into all the Ivies and Stanford and chose Harvard (or I might be conflating two separate previous threads here).
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Yep
Re: Accepted to all the ivies but - Mick - 05-05-2015
I don't think that students who apply to many colleges are wasting the time of the admissions officers, chiefly because (a) they are paying for the application, and that increased revenue has allowed the admissions office to hire sufficient admissions officers and (b) the students don't know if they're going to be accepted or not or where they are going to be accepted. And it reminds me of a conversation I had with a college counselor at a local high school where there was a massive readjustment in acceptances -- downward -- at selective and highly selective schools. Those counselors had to tell 20% of their student body that they weren't getting into target schools. Think those kids wish they had made more applications? I'm guessing the answer is "yes."
And separately, it isn't all that easy to apply to lots of schools with a common application, outside of the UCs. On the UCs, it is a checked box and another application check. But most selective or stronger private schools have their own supplements which are functionally a separate application. Stanford's had three essay prompts last I checked, Princeton's and Harvard's were both lengthy.
Finally, I'll mention that the Ivies keep very close tabs on who is applying where. Both of my sons had started applications at two Ivies, had applied early action and were accepted at their first choice. Later that day, each son received calls from the admissions office at the other Ivy asking if they had been offered, and if so, had they accepted. Both sons said they were committed, saving themselves and the other admissions office time. Which is how it should work, IMHO.
Re: Accepted to all the ivies but - Rally - 05-05-2015
(05-05-2015, 01:45 PM)CTcard link Wrote:[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=12098.msg117706#msg117706 date=1430857704]
... I totally agree with Yvonne; it shows complete lack of direction.Â
Of course Yvonne will have to speak for herself, but I got the impression that wasn't her own point so much as noting the different response the board had to the kid who got into all the Ivies and Stanford and chose Harvard (or I might be conflating two separate previous threads here).
Either way, while I intend to agree with your soap box rant, he wouldn't exactly be the first kid who still has some maturing to do after getting into Stanford. He certainly appears bright enough so there should be plenty of hope.
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You mean like stairway sliding, playing dorm hall frisbee, tennis and archery???