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Kevin Hogan in the record books - BostonCard - 07-28-2015

In another thread, someone mentioned that Hogan has a chance to move up to the lead in career completion percentage. His current completion percentage is 65.2%, second only to Andrew Luck's 67%, which means that with a decent year, he has a chance to take over the record.  Luck has a chance to move up in the records in a number of categories:

Passing yards: 6523 (if I did my math right), currently sixth.  In front of him are:
Todd Husak (6564 yds)
John Paye (7669 yds)
John Elway (9349 yds)
Andrew Luck (9430 yds)
Steve Stenstrom (10531 yds)

Barring injury, he will almost certainly end up ahead of Husak and Paye, and has a good shot of beating Elway and Luck.  It would take a monster year (4008 yards) to take the record from Stenstrom.  Hogan's best year was 2014, when he threw 2792 yards; if he equals that, he will move into third.

Touchdowns: 48, currently 4th.  Ahead of him are:
Steve Stenstrom (72)
John Elway (77)
Andrew Luck (82)

With a good year, he could move ahead of Stenstrom, and with a very good year he could move ahead of Elway.  Luck is likely out of reach barring a monster year (well, a year as good as Luck had in 2011, when he threw 37).  FWIW, Hogan's best year was 2013, when he threw 20 TD's; if he equals that, he will stay in fourth.

Yards per attempt: 8.16 ypa, currently fourth.  Ahead of him are:
Turk Schonert (8.4 ypa)
Andrew Luck (8.86)
Joe Borchard (8.94)

Because ypa will depend on both attempts and yards, it's hard to project how he will do.  Hogan's best year was 2013, when he had an average of 8.9 ypa.  I suspect if he equaled that and had a decent number of attempts this year, he could move into third behind Borchard and Luck.

I'm sure Hogan has a chance at some other records, but I haven't looked to see where else he's close.

BC

Re: Kevin Hogan in the record books - terry - 07-28-2015

Stanford revised its record book a few years ago to include bowl game stats for all players. This affected players such as Plunkett, Benjamin, Stenstrom, and Husak, who played in an era in which bowl game stats were not included in the official stats. Stanford's revised record book therefore differs somewhat from some of the numbers given by BC above.

I don't think these revised numbers significantly change BC's analysis of where Hogan could end up. So BC's post is pretty much on target, in my view.

Hogan's current position in the record book:

Career passing yards

10,911  Stenstrom
  9,430  Luck
  9,349  Elway
  7,809  Plunkett
  7,669  Paye
  6,834  Husak
  6,518  Hogan

Career TD passes

82  Luck
77  Elway
74  Stenstrom
53  Plunkett
48  Benjamin
48  Hogan

Completion percentage (minimum 300 attempts)*

67.0%  Luck
65.2%  Hogan
63.1%  Dils
62.8%  Stenstrom
62.4%  Palumbis

Yards per attempt (minimum 300 attempts)*

8.86  Luck
8.16  Hogan
7.92  Fasani
7.91  Stenstrom
7.87  Plunkett

Pass efficiency rating (minimum 300 attempts)*

162.8  Luck
148.3  Hogan
141.4  Stenstrom
139.3  Elway
138.8  Dils

Career rushing yards by a QB

957  Luck
913  Hogan
481  Bunce
369  Plunkett
362  Washington

* The Stanford record book requires a minimum of 300 career attempts to qualify for efficiency-based records. That renders ineligible Schonert (230 attempts, 66.1%, 8.40 yds/att, 160.7 pass eff. rating) and Borchard (120 attempts, 8.92 yds/att, 154.1 pass eff. rating).

Re: Kevin Hogan in the record books - BostonCard - 07-28-2015

Thanks Terry... I knew my past would bait you.  I appreciate the corrections.  The list of stats I found was after 1970, which is how Plunkett got left off *gasp*.

BC

Re: Kevin Hogan in the record books - terry - 07-28-2015

A few more Hogan stats:

Most wins by a starting QB

31  Luck
24  Stenstrom
24  Hogan
22  Plunkett

Most games started by a QB

41  Stenstrom
38  Luck
34  Paye
33  Elway
32  Plunkett
32  Hogan

Best winning percentage by a starting QB

.816  Luck (31-7)
.750  Bunce (9-3)
.750  Hogan (24-8)
.719  Plunkett (22-8-2)
.692  Dils (9-4)

Re: Kevin Hogan in the record books - washingtonismoney - 07-28-2015

Question: is there a combined TD leaderboard (i.e. rushing + passing TDs)?

Re: Kevin Hogan in the record books - terry - 07-28-2015

(07-28-2015, 12:08 PM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:Question: is there a combined TD leaderboard (i.e. rushing + passing TDs)?

That category in not in the Stanford record book. But I ran the numbers, and here's what it looks like.

Total TDs responsible for (rushing, receiving, passing, and returns)

89  Luck          (7 rush, 82 pass)
82  Elway        (5 rush, 77 pass)
77  Stenstrom  (3 rush, 74 pass)
63  Plunkett      (10 rush, 53 pass)
57  Hogan        (9 rush, 48 pass)
55  Benjamin    (7 rush, 48 pass)
47  Paye          (9 rush, 38 pass)
45  Taylor        (40 rush, 5 rec.)
45  Gerhart      (44 rush, 1 pass)
44  Husak        (3 rush, 41 pass)
42  Nelson        (24 rush, 18 rec.)

Re: Kevin Hogan in the record books - washingtonismoney - 07-28-2015

So Hogan's closing in on the record for most rushing TDs by a QB, no?

Re: Kevin Hogan in the record books - BostonCard - 07-28-2015

(07-28-2015, 01:03 PM)terry link Wrote:[quote author=washingtonismoney link=topic=12410.msg122882#msg122882 date=1438110520]
Question: is there a combined TD leaderboard (i.e. rushing + passing TDs)?

That category in not in the Stanford record book. But I ran the numbers, and here's what it looks like.

Total TDs responsible for (rushing, receiving, passing, and returns)

89  Luck          (7 rush, 82 pass)
82  Elway        (5 rush, 77 pass)
77  Stenstrom  (3 rush, 74 pass)
63  Plunkett      (10 rush, 53 pass)
57  Hogan        (9 rush, 48 pass)
55  Benjamin    (7 rush, 48 pass)
47  Paye          (9 rush, 38 pass)
45  Taylor        (40 rush, 5 rec.)
45  Gerhart      (44 rush, 1 pass)
44  Husak        (3 rush, 41 pass)
42  Nelson        (24 rush, 18 rec.)
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Some of those guys also have receiving td's.  Luck would have had one too if Toby could have thrown the ball to him.

BC

Re: Kevin Hogan in the record books - terry - 07-28-2015

(07-28-2015, 01:22 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:Some of those guys also have receiving td's.  Luck would have had one too if Toby could have thrown the ball to him.

I looked for receiving TDs by these quarterbacks, but I didn't find any. If I missed something, please let me know.

By the way, I don't remember Toby missing Luck. I believe Terrell and Griff Whalen each completed one to Luck.

Re: Kevin Hogan in the record books - BostonCard - 07-28-2015

NM.  I didn't see that you added receiving td's to the running backs totals.  Surprised Toby never caught a TD.

BC

Re: Kevin Hogan in the record books - terry - 07-28-2015

(07-28-2015, 01:15 PM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:So Hogan's closing in on the record for most rushing TDs by a QB, no?

Yep.

Career rushing TDs by a QB

10  Plunkett
  9  Brodie
  9  Paye
  9  Hogan

Re: Kevin Hogan in the record books - Mick - 07-28-2015

Just for comparison's sake, Colin Kaepernick rushed for 59 TDs at Nevada during his career and passed for 82 TDs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Kaepernick

Re: Kevin Hogan in the record books - CTcard - 07-28-2015

(07-28-2015, 01:33 PM)terry link Wrote:[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=12410.msg122890#msg122890 date=1438114932]

Some of those guys also have receiving td's.  Luck would have had one too if Toby could have thrown the ball to him.

I looked for receiving TDs by these quarterbacks, but I didn't find any. If I missed something, please let me know.

By the way, I don't remember Toby missing Luck. I believe Terrell and Griff Whalen each completed one to Luck.
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I guess I am really losing my memory.

I don't remember Toby missing Luck. I don't remember Griff Whalen completing one to Luck.

I do remember Toby throwing a TD pass to Ryan Whalen versus the domers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzCzj3fdET0#t=2m58s

I also remember Luck catching one from Terrell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X0VJT1CmV0


Re: Kevin Hogan in the record books - terry - 07-28-2015

(07-28-2015, 01:47 PM)Mick link Wrote:Just for comparison's sake, Colin Kaepernick rushed for 59 TDs at Nevada during his career and passed for 82 TDs.

Different style of offense, different level of competition. Stanford hasn't used an offense featuring the QB as a primary ballcarrier in many years.

Re: Kevin Hogan in the record books - terry - 07-28-2015

(07-28-2015, 01:58 PM)CTcard link Wrote:I don't remember Griff Whalen completing one to Luck.

I believe Griff completed a pass to Luck against Arizona in 2009. But I haven't double-checked it.

Re: Kevin Hogan in the record books - CTcard - 07-28-2015

(07-28-2015, 02:03 PM)terry link Wrote:I believe Griff completed a pass to Luck against Arizona in 2009. But I haven't double-checked it.

Yep, from the boxscore that appears to be true. For 11 yards.
http://www.nmnathletics.com/ViewContent.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=30600&CONTENT_ID=761971
That was a crazy game - but I only got to listen to the end of it.

I cannot find a video of the play, but here is Dave Lombardi's audio call:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Epj0R8vZO9Q&index=46&list=PLxE1_dYRyalcF7jgoFEx0JN9ApIG6xZbc#t=1m52s

Re: Kevin Hogan in the record books - Rally - 07-28-2015

(07-28-2015, 01:58 PM)CTcard link Wrote:[quote author=terry link=topic=12410.msg122894#msg122894 date=1438115630]
[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=12410.msg122890#msg122890 date=1438114932]

Some of those guys also have receiving td's.  Luck would have had one too if Toby could have thrown the ball to him.

I looked for receiving TDs by these quarterbacks, but I didn't find any. If I missed something, please let me know.

By the way, I don't remember Toby missing Luck. I believe Terrell and Griff Whalen each completed one to Luck.
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I think the pass in question was completed ("miracle one handed catch on the way out of bounds.). Whoever the coach was said after the game it would have gone for a touchdown if thrown better.

I guess I am really losing my memory.

I don't remember Toby missing Luck. I don't remember Griff Whalen completing one to Luck.

I do remember Toby throwing a TD pass to Ryan Whalen versus the domers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzCzj3fdET0#t=2m58s

I also remember Luck catching one from Terrell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X0VJT1CmV0
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Re: Kevin Hogan in the record books - terry - 07-28-2015

(07-28-2015, 02:08 PM)ferrari link Wrote:I think the pass in question was completed ("miracle one handed catch on the way out of bounds.). Whoever the coach was said after the game it would have gone for a touchdown if thrown better.

From the video, it looks like a UCLA defender had a good angle on Luck and could have stopped Luck from scoring. But with Luck, you never know. Maybe he would have flattened the guy and rumbled into the end zone.

Re: Kevin Hogan in the record books - washingtonismoney - 07-28-2015

(07-28-2015, 02:28 PM)terry link Wrote:With Luck, you know. He would have flattened the guy and rumbled into the end zone, and scored eight points.

Sorry, made a couple adjustments.

Re: Kevin Hogan in the record books - Rally - 07-28-2015

(07-28-2015, 02:08 PM)ferrari link Wrote:[quote author=CTcard link=topic=12410.msg122903#msg122903 date=1438117111]
[quote author=terry link=topic=12410.msg122894#msg122894 date=1438115630]
[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=12410.msg122890#msg122890 date=1438114932]

Some of those guys also have receiving td's.  Luck would have had one too if Toby could have thrown the ball to him.

I looked for receiving TDs by these quarterbacks, but I didn't find any. If I missed something, please let me know.

By the way, I don't remember Toby missing Luck. I believe Terrell and Griff Whalen each completed one to Luck.
[/quote]

I think the pass in question was completed ("miracle one handed catch on the way out of bounds.). Whoever the coach was said after the game it would have gone for a touchdown if thrown better.

I guess I am really losing my memory.

I don't remember Toby missing Luck. I don't remember Griff Whalen completing one to Luck.

I do remember Toby throwing a TD pass to Ryan Whalen versus the domers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzCzj3fdET0#t=2m58s

I also remember Luck catching one from Terrell
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I think it was the Terrell pass, out of the much maligned wildcat?  I also don't know but from the tone of the coach's post game comment I suppose it was Harbaugh.