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RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - Giants - 08-27-2022
(08-27-2022, 10:11 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: My reference to the Giants assessment was simply an example of how I only have conviction when I feel good about the information available to me. It is y'all who are patting me on the back by implicitly expressing you believe I made the correct call, not me.
It's just kind of hard for me to wrap my head around people getting bent out of shape because someone doesn't feel they have enough good information to have a conviction about something.
My SO asks me my opinion on things all the time. Whenever she asks me to say what I think is going to happen with something including sports outcomes, and I don't know, I tell her I have no idea. She says "you must have a leaning one way or the other." When I say I don't she hates it. I'm too good at being a devil's advocate and arguing both sides when I don't feel conviction, which makes me even less inclined to make a guess. I don't mind being wrong. I just don't see the point of being forced to make a choice when yer basically flipping a coin. It doesn't betray any knowledge or wisdom when correct, and I can be "held responsible" for being wrong when I never thought I had the answer. I don't "write checks my body can't cash," know and am comfortable with my limitations.
Occasionally, it would be helpful to take a look in the mirror and be honest with yourself regarding what you see.
If a group of disparate individuals are making similar observations regarding your posts, it might be time to take a time out and listen to their comments. We are your friends, we are here to help you…….
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - Phogge - 08-27-2022
Careful about the use of the word “friends.”
It’s funny about knowledge of things. I thought I knew all about politics doing hundreds of national stories and traveling with McGovern, Shriver and Carter. Nowadays I am clueless about the bozos who run and confused over and over.
To really know about baseball I believe that you need to have played the game above high school. I played in college and in high semipro for years and covered 27 World Series. However I learn something new every time I watch a game, especially a minor league game, and especially how present day front office operate and I am far from knowing everything.
I’m all for opinions whether educated or not but except for people who work at a game 365 days a year you don’t know, you just don’t.
As Coach Madden said in more than one interview I shot of him, “That’s why they play the game.”
So I say only to myself you just have to know when to STFU.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - cardcrimson - 08-27-2022
Funny Phogge. . .
A question though. Did Vin Scully ever play the game? Did Jon Miller? How about Farhan Zaidi? Okay, never mind. . . .
Another question, covering and traveling with McGovern, Shriver and Carter taught you politics. Is that sarcasm?
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - Phogge - 08-27-2022
After about two weeks of following McGovern all over creation I could have told Magruder, Mitchell, Erlichman and Haldeman not to bother with dirty tricks. If they had one tenth of Dick Tuck's élan they could have had fun with it and not do anything stupid (like taping the Oval). And to clinch it McGovern fell for the horseshit when he went to Houston and put out a fire at the Demo Govenors' conference and had to make a deal which meant that the old pros took over (headed by Larry O'Brien) the campaign and optioned the young eager beavers like Kirby Jones to the hinterlands. Took the heart out of the campaign.
My point is that those guys you mention were smart and it was their FULL TIME job. Miller is all about exit velocity. Great story teller and mimic but his play by play suffers for it. Scully learned from the Redhead who was a savant. I think Farhan gets it but he has non-baseball owners and Larry Baer to contend with. Imagine if Bill Veeck had a comparable war chest when he was around.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - BostonCard - 08-28-2022
This article is for our friend OF, on the wisdom of extrapolating from pre-season games.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-nfl-preseason-is-not-predictive-but-it-can-often-seem-that-way/
BC
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - Mick - 08-28-2022
(08-28-2022, 01:56 PM)BostonCard Wrote: This article is for our friend OF, on the wisdom of extrapolating from pre-season games.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-nfl-preseason-is-not-predictive-but-it-can-often-seem-that-way/
BC
An interesting little trivia question is that in the 16-game era, the 2008 Detroit Lions and the 2017 Cleveland Browns are the only NFL teams to go winless for the season at 0-16.
The other interesting bit of trivia is that both teams were undefeated in the preseason.
2008 Detroit Lions season - Wikipedia
2017 Cleveland Browns season - Wikipedia
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - Phogge - 08-28-2022
JFC Mick you can't tell anything in the preseason. Somebody may have posted that.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - Mick - 08-29-2022
(08-28-2022, 04:40 PM)Phogge Wrote: JFC Mick you can't tell anything in the preseason. Somebody may have posted that.
Think I read that somewhere...
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - BobK - 08-29-2022
Welcome back Jimmy G. He signed a new contract with the Niners today
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - cardcrimson - 08-29-2022
(08-29-2022, 03:08 PM)BobK Wrote: Welcome back Jimmy G. He signed a new contract with the Niners todayBeat me by a minute. Here's an article:
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/08/29/jimmy-garoppolo-takes-pay-cut-stays-with-49ers/
Stunning . . . .
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - Phogge - 08-29-2022
All you doubters can stick it. I called it months ago.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - BobK - 08-29-2022
I’m thrilled. Don’t know about him playing soon but great to have a winner back
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - cardcrimson - 08-29-2022
Not a doubter at all. Wondering if this was the plan all along, or if the Niners screwed up so badly they didn't have any other choices. Surely they didn't want to release him and get nothing in return. I guess it's a six million dollar insurance policy. . . .
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - Mick - 08-29-2022
Nice to have a Super Bowl quarterback on the roster...at $6.5 million with $500k in roster bonuses.
I wonder how many actual offers the Niners had? I wonder how many GMs are looking at their bottom 1/3rd -rated QB and just kicking themselves over their failure to get a QB with a 4-2 postseason record, who's been in a super bowl and another NFC championship? Who's 33-14 as a starter and is just 30 years old?
Garoppolo's dead money cap hit was $6.5 million anyway. I'll bet he starts the season on the PUP list. And don't forget, a likely compensatory pick if he stays on the SF roster all year.
This wasn't the plan, BTW. They wouldn't have have guaranteed Sudfeld's contract if this was the plan. And the Niners have the best backup in the league.
This is the right choice for Garoppolo's career. He doesn't play for some crappy team and he can rehab for pretty much as long as he wants. He can waive the no-trade clause if he feels like it. And presumably Garoppolo had an attitude adjustment after the loud silence of the QB market weighed in.
And finally...Lance is still their long term preference. Garoppolo is injured roughly half the time. Great / very good when he's in, which isn't often. They'll need Lance.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - Phogge - 08-29-2022
To me this says that Lance is not deemed ready. He may never be.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - Goose - 08-29-2022
(08-29-2022, 05:26 PM)Phogge Wrote: To me this says that Lance is not deemed ready. He may never be.Have to disagree Phogge. I think it says nothing about Lance one way or the other. Given that nobody made a great offer (or maybe any offer, who knows?) for JG, this is the best deal the 49ers could get and the best deal JG could get. I suspect the Seattle interest for JG as a free agent turned out to not be as attractive as 6.5M guaranteed money and another bite of the apple next year when JG is at least healthy. Changes little if anything for the team going forward.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - lex24 - 08-29-2022
(08-29-2022, 05:49 PM)Goose Wrote:(08-29-2022, 05:26 PM)Phogge Wrote: To me this says that Lance is not deemed ready. He may never be.Have to disagree Phogge. I think it says nothing about Lance one way or the other. Given that nobody made a great offer (or maybe any offer, who knows?) for JG, this is the best deal the 49ers could get and the best deal JG could get. I suspect the Seattle interest for JG as a free agent turned out to not be as attractive as 6.5M guaranteed money and another bite of the apple next year when JG is at least healthy. Changes little if anything for the team going forward.
JG was going to get over 7 million if released. To me this says three things:
1. Lance has not progressed as they hoped. Because by having JG on the roster, he’s going to be looking over his shoulder.
2. They got no offers for JG. Not surprising with injury.
3 They know o-line sucks.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - BostonCard - 08-29-2022
The fact that Garropolo opted for it tells me that he doesn’t think Lance will last the season as a starter.
BC
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - Goose - 08-29-2022
(08-29-2022, 05:59 PM)lex24 Wrote:I thought he would too. I said I thought Seattle might pay 13 million for him. I still think that. However, I also believe that none of that money would be guaranteed. IMHO nobody would guarantee anything like that amount to a player who was recovering from an injury, had a history of injury, and could turn out to be unable to actually contribute. Do you believe he would get more than 7 million guaranteed money? The 6.5 from the niners is, the rest is performance based.(08-29-2022, 05:49 PM)Goose Wrote: Have to disagree Phogge. I think it says nothing about Lance one way or the other. Given that nobody made a great offer (or maybe any offer, who knows?) for JG, this is the best deal the 49ers could get and the best deal JG could get. I suspect the Seattle interest for JG as a free agent turned out to not be as attractive as 6.5M guaranteed money and another bite of the apple next year when JG is at least healthy. Changes little if anything for the team going forward.
JG was going to get over 7 million if released.
Quote: To me this says three things:While it may be true Lance will be looking over his shoulder, it is unclear to me this deal indicates anything about his development. It is a good deal for both the niners and JG independent of Lance. It may be that Lance has not met expectations, but IMHO this deal makes sense either way.
1. Lance has not progressed as they hoped. Because by having JG on the roster, he’s going to be looking over his shoulder.
Quote:2. They got no offers for JG. Not surprising with injury.Agree.
Quote:3 They know o-line sucks.How does keeping JG support that narrative? JG is much less mobile than Lance and has a long injury history. If you are looking for either a backup or starting QB to play behind a poor o-line, I would think JG's name would be about the last one you call. He won't last long behind a bad o-line if indeed he ends up playing. What am I missing?
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - cardcrimson - 08-29-2022
"And presumably Garoppolo had an attitude adjustment after the loud silence of the QB market weighed in"
Did I miss something? Has anyone ever documented he has an attitude problem? Seems somewhat of an introvert that enjoys his privacy. . . .