Tessier-Lavigne research under investigation for scientific misconduct

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RE: Tessier-Lavigne research under investigation for scientific misconduct - 82lsju - 02-21-2023

(02-21-2023, 02:49 PM)M T Wrote:
(02-21-2023, 12:14 PM)82lsju Wrote:
Quote:Three other papers published[b] [/b]in Science and Nature by the University president also contain “serious problems,” according to Elisabeth Bik, a biologist and science misconduct investigator routinely featured in outlets such as The New York Times, The New Yorker and Nature, who was contacted by The Daily last month to review several separate allegations. Tessier-Lavigne is the lead author on two of these papers.

which implies the Daily reaching out to Bik for comment, unclear where the Daily got the initial info on possible issues with the papers but I have not seen anything that came before the Daily article on Nov 29, 2022 that talks to this issue

Does "I have not seen anything that came before the Daily article on Nov 29, 2022" mean you haven't looked at PubPeer or any of the questions raised & responses made long before Bik started publishing links to her own press coverage there? The Daily had a link to PubPeer. If you can't find the link, try my Dec. 28 post, #136 in this thread.

It seems there is a feedback loop of press coverage about press coverage, all centering on Bik. While that wouldn't mean that something serious shouldn't be investigated, it does mean that a lot of the coverage is about coverage of the coverage. An echo chamber can get quite loud without much real input.

I was referring to mentions beyond the scientific journal community, the first Daily article is the earliest one I am aware of

RE: Tessier-Lavigne research under investigation for scientific misconduct - TrumpCard - 02-21-2023

(02-21-2023, 02:53 PM)82lsju Wrote: I was referring to mentions beyond the scientific journal community, the first Daily article is the earliest one I am aware of

This highlights the reason for my original question. Is it "investigative journalism" worthy of one of the highest awards in the journalism industry to publish a news story about a public investigation that's already linked in publicly available sources online? I'm not in the journalism business so I'm not really in a position to opine. I was just a little surprised because I would have expected an award of this stature to go to a journalist/publication that uncovered facts that previously were not publicly available.

RE: Tessier-Lavigne research under investigation for scientific misconduct - lancer1968 - 02-21-2023

(02-21-2023, 03:53 PM)TrumpCard Wrote:
(02-21-2023, 02:53 PM)82lsju Wrote: I was referring to mentions beyond the scientific journal community, the first Daily article is the earliest one I am aware of

This highlights the reason for my original question. Is it "investigative journalism" worthy of one of the highest awards in the journalism industry to publish a news story about a public investigation that's already linked in publicly available sources online? I'm not in the journalism business so I'm not really in a position to opine. I was just a little surprised because I would have expected an award of this stature to go to a journalist/publication that uncovered facts that previously were not publicly available.

I was Editor of the Daily 50 years ago (yes 50) when the Daily went independent of the University. (The University wanted it to protect it from lawsuits and probably alums unhappy with something the Daily wrote. The Daily wanted it to "feel" like we could publish anything. We really could have anyway. In my term, I only got one call from University officials about a subject and it was only a mild complaint that the Daily was a little narrow in its perspective -- and they were righty.) I have no idea (English major, MBA) if the Daily is correct or not in its article (well beyond my scientific research knowledge), but I really admire the time the reporter has put into the subject and his research (it would have been very, very difficult to find someone who had the time to do all the research when I was Editor) and the guts of the reporter and the Daily to directly challenge the President of the University (independence or not). I wouldn't be surprised if the award came in part for those reasons.

RE: Tessier-Lavigne research under investigation for scientific misconduct - 82lsju - 02-21-2023

(02-21-2023, 08:50 AM)82lsju Wrote:
Quote:The Stanford Daily has won a 2022 George Polk Award in Journalism, marking the first time in history that an independent, student-run newspaper has won the prestigious award. Theo Baker ’26, Investigations Editor at The Daily, will be honored with a “Special Award” for his investigation into allegations that research co-authored by University President Marc Tessier-Lavigne contained manipulated images.

https://stanforddaily.com/2023/02/20/daily-staffer-wins-polk-award-first-for-an-independent-student-run-newspaper/?utm_content=Feb-21-2023%3Futm_campaign%3Ddigest&utm_content=Feb-21-2023

here's some more on the award

current winners here

https://liu.edu/polk-awards/current-winners

what they say about Theo Baker and The Daily

Quote:Theo Baker of The Stanford Daily has received a Special Award for uncovering allegations that pioneering research co-authored by Stanford President Marc Tessier-Lavigne, a renowned neuroscientist, was supported in part by manipulated imagery and that Tessier-Lavigne and his associates failed to avail themselves of opportunities to correct the record. Baker’s reporting spurred the university to engage an outside counsel who has assembled a panel of experts to investigate the allegations.

RE: Tessier-Lavigne research under investigation for scientific misconduct - StanfordMatt - 02-21-2023

I knew the guy was a bad apple when he was asked in his introductory interview about the importance of Stanford athletics and he responded that he liked to go skiing with his family in the Alps when he was a child.

RE: Tessier-Lavigne research under investigation for scientific misconduct - cardcrimson - 02-22-2023

(02-21-2023, 11:03 PM)StanfordMatt Wrote: I knew the guy was a bad apple when he was asked in his introductory interview about the importance of Stanford athletics and he responded that he liked to go skiing with his family in the Alps when he was a child.

Not that there's anything wrong with skiing, but that answer kind of says it all.

Past time to stick a fork in the guy.

RE: Tessier-Lavigne research under investigation for scientific misconduct - Mick - 02-22-2023

(02-22-2023, 09:09 AM)cardcrimson Wrote:
(02-21-2023, 11:03 PM)StanfordMatt Wrote: I knew the guy was a bad apple when he was asked in his introductory interview about the importance of Stanford athletics and he responded that he liked to go skiing with his family in the Alps when he was a child.

Not that there's anything wrong with skiing, but that answer kind of says it all.

Past time to stick a fork in the guy.

I'd have been okay with it if he'd said skiing at Shasta, Heavenly or Sugar Bowl. The Alps? I don't think that's anywhere near Tahoe. So...nope...

RE: Tessier-Lavigne research under investigation for scientific misconduct - 82lsju - 02-22-2023

(02-22-2023, 03:12 PM)Mick Wrote:
(02-22-2023, 09:09 AM)cardcrimson Wrote:
(02-21-2023, 11:03 PM)StanfordMatt Wrote: I knew the guy was a bad apple when he was asked in his introductory interview about the importance of Stanford athletics and he responded that he liked to go skiing with his family in the Alps when he was a child.

Not that there's anything wrong with skiing, but that answer kind of says it all.

Past time to stick a fork in the guy.

I'd have been okay with it if he'd said skiing at Shasta, Heavenly or Sugar Bowl. The Alps? I don't think that's anywhere near Tahoe. So...nope...

well he did live in Europe with his family from 7-17 so for him the Alps were local skiing as kid....

RE: Tessier-Lavigne research under investigation for scientific misconduct - Mick - 02-22-2023

(02-22-2023, 03:46 PM)82lsju Wrote:
(02-22-2023, 03:12 PM)Mick Wrote:
(02-22-2023, 09:09 AM)cardcrimson Wrote:
(02-21-2023, 11:03 PM)StanfordMatt Wrote: I knew the guy was a bad apple when he was asked in his introductory interview about the importance of Stanford athletics and he responded that he liked to go skiing with his family in the Alps when he was a child.

Not that there's anything wrong with skiing, but that answer kind of says it all.

Past time to stick a fork in the guy.

I'd have been okay with it if he'd said skiing at Shasta, Heavenly or Sugar Bowl. The Alps? I don't think that's anywhere near Tahoe. So...nope...

well he did live in Europe with his family from 7-17 so for him the Alps were local skiing as kid....

My point exactly. He's not from around here, and therefore does not fully grasp how crucial Stanford's D1 athletic program is to Stanford's overall brand.

RE: Tessier-Lavigne research under investigation for scientific misconduct - BostonCard - 02-22-2023

(02-22-2023, 10:48 PM)Mick Wrote: My point exactly. He's not from around here, and therefore does not fully grasp how crucial Stanford's D1 athletic program is to Stanford's overall brand.

See Casper, Gerhard

BC

RE: Tessier-Lavigne research under investigation for scientific misconduct - Spiny_Norman - 02-23-2023

(02-22-2023, 11:44 PM)BostonCard Wrote:
(02-22-2023, 10:48 PM)Mick Wrote: My point exactly. He's not from around here, and therefore does not fully grasp how crucial Stanford's D1 athletic program is to Stanford's overall brand.
See Casper, Gerhard

BC

Persis Drell literally grew up on the Stanford campus and she seems to have trouble with this concept too.

RE: Tessier-Lavigne research under investigation for scientific misconduct - PalmTree - 02-23-2023

Review "progress update" from the BoT's Special Committee - no ETA on the final report

RE: Tessier-Lavigne research under investigation for scientific misconduct - Mick - 02-23-2023

(02-23-2023, 09:11 AM)Spiny_Norman Wrote:
(02-22-2023, 11:44 PM)BostonCard Wrote:
(02-22-2023, 10:48 PM)Mick Wrote: My point exactly. He's not from around here, and therefore does not fully grasp how crucial Stanford's D1 athletic program is to Stanford's overall brand.
See Casper, Gerhard

BC

Persis Drell literally grew up on the Stanford campus and she seems to have trouble with this concept too.

That's because she went to Wellesley and her PhD at Berkeley followed by Cornell. No history of big-time sports. She's a fifth columnist playing the long game of destroying the AD.

RE: Tessier-Lavigne research under investigation for scientific misconduct - BostonCard - 02-23-2023

Wasn't sure whether to put this link (sorry, may be behind a paywall) in this thread or the "rampant cheating" thread.

There is a worrying amount of fraud in medical research | The Economist

Quote:Yet journals can take years to retract, if they ever do so. Going by these numbers, roughly one in 1,000 papers gets retracted. That does not sound too bad. However, Ivan Oransky, one of Retraction Watch’s founders, reckons, based on various studies of the matter and reports from sleuths, that something more like one in 50 papers has results which are unreliable because of fabrication, plagiarism or serious errors.

The article focuses on clinical studies, and thankfully, neither Stanford nor our esteemed (or discredited) leader are mentioned

I am curious how this compares to other types of fraud, like corporate accounting fraud.

Still, yikes.

BC

RE: Tessier-Lavigne research under investigation for scientific misconduct - McKenwood - 02-23-2023

(02-23-2023, 09:11 AM)Spiny_Norman Wrote:
(02-22-2023, 11:44 PM)BostonCard Wrote:
(02-22-2023, 10:48 PM)Mick Wrote: My point exactly. He's not from around here, and therefore does not fully grasp how crucial Stanford's D1 athletic program is to Stanford's overall brand.
See Casper, Gerhard

BC

Persis Drell literally grew up on the Stanford campus and she seems to have trouble with this concept too.

As another Stanford faculty brat I apologize for Provost Drell. Both her management style and antipathy towards what differentiates (differentiated?) Stanford should have made her a non-starter for the Provost role. This result was forseen by those that knew her way back when.

RE: Tessier-Lavigne research under investigation for scientific misconduct - qwerty49 - 02-23-2023

(02-23-2023, 03:25 PM)McKenwood Wrote:
(02-23-2023, 09:11 AM)Spiny_Norman Wrote:
(02-22-2023, 11:44 PM)BostonCard Wrote:
(02-22-2023, 10:48 PM)Mick Wrote: My point exactly. He's not from around here, and therefore does not fully grasp how crucial Stanford's D1 athletic program is to Stanford's overall brand.
See Casper, Gerhard

BC

Persis Drell literally grew up on the Stanford campus and she seems to have trouble with this concept too.

As another Stanford faculty brat I apologize for Provost Drell. Both her management style and antipathy towards what differentiates (differentiated?) Stanford should have made her a non-starter for the Provost role. This result was forseen by those that knew her way back when.

Evidently not foreseen by the right people. This administration seems very, very research-oriented.

RE: Tessier-Lavigne research under investigation for scientific misconduct - GK3 - 02-23-2023

(02-23-2023, 06:04 PM)qwerty49 Wrote:
(02-23-2023, 03:25 PM)McKenwood Wrote:
(02-23-2023, 09:11 AM)Spiny_Norman Wrote:
(02-22-2023, 11:44 PM)BostonCard Wrote:
(02-22-2023, 10:48 PM)Mick Wrote: My point exactly. He's not from around here, and therefore does not fully grasp how crucial Stanford's D1 athletic program is to Stanford's overall brand.
See Casper, Gerhard

BC

Persis Drell literally grew up on the Stanford campus and she seems to have trouble with this concept too.

As another Stanford faculty brat I apologize for Provost Drell. Both her management style and antipathy towards what differentiates (differentiated?) Stanford should have made her a non-starter for the Provost role. This result was forseen by those that knew her way back when.

Evidently not foreseen by the right people. This administration seems very, very research-oriented.

That is where the MONEY is. It seems to me that the current administration, including the BoT has forgotten Stanford is a University that offers undergraduate degrees, and those young students are not immediately concerned with Masters, Doctorates, Research etc. I am sure there are some very qualified people out there who get that a University is many things, and not just a source of research and the money it generates. Look where that has some of our more recent graduates. We should be more about education and the experience going to college or a university provides and that includes sports teams of all sorts, get out have fun and grow.

RE: Tessier-Lavigne research under investigation for scientific misconduct - cardcrimson - 02-23-2023

(02-23-2023, 06:53 PM)GK3 Wrote:
(02-23-2023, 06:04 PM)qwerty49 Wrote:
(02-23-2023, 03:25 PM)McKenwood Wrote:
(02-23-2023, 09:11 AM)Spiny_Norman Wrote:
(02-22-2023, 11:44 PM)BostonCard Wrote: See Casper, Gerhard

BC

Persis Drell literally grew up on the Stanford campus and she seems to have trouble with this concept too.

As another Stanford faculty brat I apologize for Provost Drell. Both her management style and antipathy towards what differentiates (differentiated?) Stanford should have made her a non-starter for the Provost role. This result was forseen by those that knew her way back when.

Evidently not foreseen by the right people. This administration seems very, very research-oriented.

That is where the MONEY is. It seems to me that the current administration, including the BoT has forgotten Stanford is a University that offers undergraduate degrees, and those young students are not immediately concerned with Masters, Doctorates, Research etc. I am sure there are some very qualified people out there who get that a University is many things, and not just a source of research and the money it generates. Look where that has some of our more recent graduates. We should be more about education and the experience going to college or a university provides and that includes sports teams of all sorts, get out have fun and grow.

Been trying to get a to be unnamed department to do some research on a cutting edge material and several applications. One would think they'd jump at the chance (it's pretty cool and a retired thread was devoted to it), but instead they are looking for significant dollars for basic test research. It's a money grab.

RE: Tessier-Lavigne research under investigation for scientific misconduct - BostonCard - 02-23-2023

(02-23-2023, 06:53 PM)GK3 Wrote: That is where the MONEY is. It seems to me that the current administration, including the BoT has forgotten Stanford is a University that offers undergraduate degrees, and those young students are not immediately concerned with Masters, Doctorates, Research etc. I am sure there are some very qualified people out there who get that a University is many things, and not just a source of research and the money it generates. Look where that has some of our more recent graduates. We should be more about education and the experience going to college or a university provides and that includes sports teams of all sorts, get out have fun and grow.

This tension has existed at least 30 years dating back to when I was an undergrad, and I am sure much longer. And it's an issue that is hardly exclusive to Stanford.

BC

RE: Tessier-Lavigne research under investigation for scientific misconduct - martyup - 02-23-2023

(02-23-2023, 07:28 PM)cardcrimson Wrote: Been trying to get a to be unnamed department to do some research on a cutting edge material and several applications. One would think they'd jump at the chance (it's pretty cool and a retired thread was devoted to it), but instead they are looking for significant dollars for basic test research. It's a money grab.

OMG, GRAPHENE!!

https://thecardboard.org/board/showthread.php?tid=7068&highlight=graphene