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RE: WBB FINAL FOUR: STAN 66 SC 65 - magnus - 04-02-2021
Random thoughts on the game.
1) very fortunate we tired out Cooke. She couldn't miss halfway through the third quarter...and then a combination of Lexie Hull and fatigue set in to nullify her (unfortunately, Henderson picked up the slack).
2) Boston looked to be tired at certain points in the 3rd quarter (especially after a stretch of stop-less play), but I wonder if she also was worse for the wear from all that full court running to and from her chair from all the 4th quarter substitutions.
3) What happened to Lacie in the second half. When they pulled Wilson from the game, I think it was Lexie who picked up Cooke, and not Lacie (who stifled her a bit in the 1st half).
4) It appears that taller sharpshooters aren't a great matchup for Wilson? I guess it's good that she next faces McDonald and not Bueckers
5) foul calling seemed to be inconsistent. Very tight in the first half. And then looser and looser in the second half (i feel like some of the "brinks" in the second half would have been called fouls in the 1st. The non-call on the push was another example)
6) those last few seconds were a blur. The game was over before I even realized Boston's putback would have counted. So glad Lexie got back on D and the other girls swarmed to make a followup difficult.
RE: WBB FINAL FOUR: STAN 66 SC 65 - M T - 04-02-2021
NCAA extended highlights of the Stanford - So. Carolina game: https://youtu.be/pgObOFn9WIc
Last 2:30 of the game: https://youtu.be/gtfdS2doStE
Stanford Final Four Postgame Press Conference https://youtu.be/S4KfCODhwW8
Dawn Staley Final Four Pregame Press Conference https://youtu.be/480JlNuqqfk
Amihere Pregame Press Conference https://youtu.be/o8tu9vgBOIs
Dawn Staley Final Four Postgame Press Conferencce https://youtu.be/RhpmVq3mnSM
Zia Cooke postgame https://youtu.be/HCTprUX2Wto
(04-02-2021, 10:22 PM)PVTree Wrote: According to the NBA (Is it different in the NCAA?):NCAA WBB rules:
What is the Official NBA “Kick Ball” Rule in Basketball?
[*]A player shall not kick the ball or strike it with the fist.
[*]Kicking the ball or striking it with any part of the leg is a violation when it is an intentional act. The ball accidentally striking the foot, the leg or fist is not a violation.
[/list]
Quote:Section 6. Kick, Fist, Through Basket From BelowAs I said previously, I believe it was intentional.
Art. 1. It is a violation when a player intentionally kicks the ball, strikes it with the fist or causes it to pass through the basket and enter the cylinder from below. (See Rule 9-15.2.b.)
Art. 2. Kicking the ball is striking it intentionally with any part of the leg or the foot. Accidentally striking the ball with the foot or leg shall not be a violation.
As you may remember, earlier this year, a ref made an erroneous call when he used this rule against Cameron(?) when she held the ball between her legs for a held ball. (She didn't "strike" it.)
RE: WBB FINAL FOUR: STAN 66 SC 65 - CompSci87 - 04-03-2021
Great article from the Athletic with quotes from Val Whiting, Vanessa Nygaard, and others:
https://theathletic.com/2495640/2021/04/03/were-always-waiting-stanfords-back-in-the-title-game-ready-to-avenge-decades-of-heartbreak/
Quote:“Back then, when we were alternating between Stanford and Tennessee as the top team in the women’s game, I never imagined it would be so long,” Whiting said. “I didn’t even think about it until someone mentioned it last week, that we’ve gone almost 30 years without winning one, and it blew my mind.”
Quote:“We keep going,” Nygaard said, “so that we can be there when they win. I’ve been in the building every time they’ve played in the Final Four. I think a lot of alums feel that way, just waiting. .... We’re so close so much. This year, we’ll all be watching and texting each other and waiting. We’re always waiting. Waiting for a championship.”
RE: WBB FINAL FOUR: STAN 66 SC 65 - PVTree - 04-03-2021
Watched the game again. According to my (harsh) count, we missed 12 layups, including 6 by Lexie, 2 by Lacie, 2 by Fran, and 1 by Haley and Cam each.
Hopefully, we can improve on that for one last game.
RE: WBB FINAL FOUR: STAN 66 SC 65 - BosCard - 04-03-2021
(04-03-2021, 12:20 AM)PVTree Wrote: Watched the game again. According to my (harsh) count, we missed 12 layups, including 6 by Lexie, 2 by Lacie, 2 by Fran, and 1 by Haley and Cam each.
Hopefully, we can improve on that for one last game.
I think South Carolina's defense got in our head a bit with all the missed layups.
And Arizona is a very good defensive team. Williams will be hounded by McDonald and Lexie will be guarded by a very good defender in Thomas. But, there is no Boston on Arizona's back line waiting to swat shots. So hopefully we make more of our layups in the national championship game.
RE: WBB FINAL FOUR: STAN 66 SC 65 - Phogge - 04-03-2021
You guys really need two threads... a game thread and a bitch at the refs thread.
The game was better with two refs, not three. They become less of a factor.
RE: WBB FINAL FOUR: STAN 66 SC 65 - PVTree - 04-03-2021
(04-03-2021, 09:04 AM)Phogge Wrote: You guys really need two threads... a game thread and a bitch at the refs thread.
The game was better with two refs, not three. They become less of a factor.
As I heard from a coach when the refs were increased from 2 to 3..."three times zero is still zero" :)
RE: WBB FINAL FOUR: STAN 66 SC 65 - yvonne - 04-03-2021
(04-03-2021, 12:15 AM)CompSci87 Wrote: Great article from the Athletic with quotes from Val Whiting, Vanessa Nygaard, and others:
Quote:“We keep going,” Nygaard said, “so that we can be there when they win. I’ve been in the building every time they’ve played in the Final Four. I think a lot of alums feel that way, just waiting. Stanford basketball is kind of the equivalent of Manchester United, where it’s like victory and tragedy are so intertwined. We’re so close so much. This year, we’ll all be watching and texting each other and waiting. We’re always waiting. Waiting for a championship.”
Am I missing something? What has Stanford women's basketball been through that compares with the Manchester United tragedy?
RE: WBB FINAL FOUR: STAN 66 SC 65 - PVTree - 04-03-2021
I don't follow the English Premiere League much ever since Chicharito left ManU, but I take this to mean that Stanford has been so close to winning a championship, but hasn't been able to achieve it. Perhaps that's the tie in between the two.
Just read that there actually was a Manchester United tragedy some 60 years ago where a plane crash was involved. If that's the tragedy she was referencing, then I'm also baffled to see a link.
RE: WBB FINAL FOUR: STAN 66 SC 65 - JohnR34231 - 04-03-2021
(04-03-2021, 09:34 AM)PVTree Wrote:(04-03-2021, 09:04 AM)Phogge Wrote: You guys really need two threads... a game thread and a bitch at the refs thread.
The game was better with two refs, not three. They become less of a factor.
As I heard from a coach when the refs were increased from 2 to 3..."three times zero is still zero" :)
People used to just bitch about the refs just when they lost. Now they do it all the time.
It is kind of de rigueur these days in post game discussions.
RE: WBB FINAL FOUR: STAN 66 SC 65 - CompSci87 - 04-03-2021
(04-03-2021, 09:43 AM)PVTree Wrote: I don't follow the English Premiere League much ever since Chicharito left ManU, but I take this to mean that Stanford has been so close to winning a championship, but hasn't been able to achieve it. Perhaps that's the tie in between the two.
Just read that there actually was a Manchester United tragedy some 60 years ago where a plane crash was involved. If that's the tragedy she was referencing, then I'm also baffled to see a link.
I didn't know what Nygaard was referring to. Now that I do, I agree it's quite over the top as a comparison. On the Stanford side, I believe what she was thinking of was the many injuries that ended Stanford title runs over the years, not least her own ACL tear (plus Folkl's) that led to the Harvard loss.
RE: WBB FINAL FOUR: STAN 66 SC 65 - WBB fan - 04-03-2021
(04-02-2021, 11:21 PM)Nan3cy Wrote: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaw/2021/04/02/final-four-stanford-south-carolina-showcased-best-womens-sports/7071213002/
Good column from USAToday.
USA Today print edition AND USAtoday.com have both been doing a really good job of following the women's tournament. Worth noting, several of the stories that are have first appeared on USAToday.com showed up in the print edition a day or two later, including a really good one on Kiana. They've also had the feature story on Anna that has been mentioned, plus a one highlighting Ashten after the Louisville game.
RE: WBB FINAL FOUR: STAN 66 SC 65 - Phogge - 04-03-2021
The Man U team plane crashed in Winter 1958 attempting to take off from Munich. After two aborted attempts it couldn't make speed in the slush and crashed into a house. 23 died. Spared was the great Bobby Charlton who as England's captain hoisted the World Cup in 1966.
Other crashes involving teams were the Cal Poly football crash, Marshall U football and Evansville and Oklahoma State men's hoops.
Has Nygaard clarified her comment?
RE: WBB FINAL FOUR: STAN 66 SC 65 - DC 86 - 04-03-2021
(04-03-2021, 11:37 AM)Phogge Wrote: Spared was the great Bobby Charlton who as England's captain hoisted the World Cup in 1966.
Bobby Moore the captain.
RE: WBB FINAL FOUR: STAN 66 SC 65 - CompSci87 - 04-03-2021
(04-03-2021, 11:37 AM)Phogge Wrote: The Man U team plane crashed in Winter 1958 attempting to take off from Munich. After two aborted attempts it couldn't make speed in the slush and crashed into a house. 23 died. Spared was the great Bobby Charlton who as England's captain hoisted the World Cup in 1966.
Other crashes involving teams were the Cal Poly football crash, Marshall U football and Evansville and Oklahoma State men's hoops.
Has Nygaard clarified her comment?
I took it out of context, perhaps. There has not been any outrage or calls for her to clarify it. Frankly I would just have left that sentence out when I brought the quote here if I'd known Manchester United players died.
RE: WBB FINAL FOUR: STAN 66 SC 65 - Sam Leopold - 04-03-2021
If you are communicating by text messages, you don't know the true meaning of the term "tragedy."
RE: WBB FINAL FOUR: STAN 66 SC 65 - CompSci87 - 04-03-2021
(04-03-2021, 12:00 PM)Sam Leopold Wrote: If you are communicating by text messages, you don't know the true meaning of the term "tragedy."
Yes, those darn kids. Nygaard is 46. Can we stop piling on her for one over the top comparison?
RE: WBB FINAL FOUR: STAN 66 SC 65 - crackpot - 04-03-2021
(04-03-2021, 10:57 AM)WBB fan Wrote:(04-02-2021, 11:21 PM)Nan3cy Wrote: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaw/2021/04/02/final-four-stanford-south-carolina-showcased-best-womens-sports/7071213002/
Good column from USAToday.
USA Today print edition AND USAtoday.com have both been doing a really good job of following the women's tournament. Worth noting, several of the stories that are have first appeared on USAToday.com showed up in the print edition a day or two later, including a really good one on Kiana. They've also had the feature story on Anna that has been mentioned, plus a one highlighting Ashten after the Louisville game.
Lindsay Schnell used to cover women's basketball for one of the Oregon papers, so she knows her stuff.
RE: WBB FINAL FOUR: STAN 66 SC 65 - martyup - 04-03-2021
How many times have Tara's teams won 30 games in a season?
RE: WBB FINAL FOUR: STAN 66 SC 65 - terry - 04-03-2021
(04-03-2021, 02:54 PM)martyup Wrote: How many times have Tara's teams won 30 games in a season?
Tara has had 16 30-win seasons in her 34 seasons at Stanford, I believe.