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RE: SF Giants 2024 - lex24 - 12-15-2023
Mick dateline='[url=tel:1702677465' Wrote: 1702677465[/url]']
Susan Slusser reported that the Giants' rivals think the Giants have the inside track on Yamamoto.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APz18yntrPM
Incidentally, Jung Hoon Lee faced off against Yamamoto in both the 2020 Olympics (played in 2021) and the 2019 Premier12 Classic. Lee went 2 for 4 with a double, a single and two strikeouts against Yamamoto.
https://www.sfgate.com/giants/article/jung-hoo-lee-matchups-yoshinobu-yamamoto-giants-18554536.php
So, this rumor counters the previous rumor. LOL. Hope this one is right!
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Leftcoast - 12-15-2023
Not a surprise free agent competition might use the city's recent national rep against the Giants. Hopefully players who've played here as a visitor have seen and know better. Hard to beat a good day on the waterfront, a game at Oracle, and a dinner at some of the nearby eateries for player families. Perceptions matter though so the team and city need a cheerleader.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - lex24 - 12-15-2023
Leftcoast dateline='[url=tel:1702685267' Wrote: 1702685267[/url]']
Not a surprise free agent competition might use the city's recent national rep against the Giants. Hopefully players who've played here as a visitor have seen and know better. Hard to beat a good day on the waterfront, a game at Oracle, and a dinner at some of the nearby eateries for player families. Perceptions matter though so the team and city need a cheerleader.
And that cheerleader very well may be Buster. Because in the rest of his comments he talked about how much he loves the city. After all he picked up his family from his home in Georgia and moved back here. What he essentially was saying, is that the perceptions have hurt. (Zaidi said something similar last year) He wasn’t saying they couldn’t be overcome.
San Francisco obviously has real problems with drugs, homelessness, etc. But so does Los Angeles, Chicago, New York,Philly etc. I actually think the issue is heightened to an extent because San Francisco is a small city geographically. Harder to “hide” the issues.
it also doesn’t help that much of the problem is centered around the area of what qualifies as a theater district in San Francisco.
As for Oracle itself – I’ve walked many a time down the Embarcadero to the stadium and I’ve never encountered a problem. Not sure what it’s like from the other direction – for example, coming from the train station.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Goose - 12-15-2023
(12-15-2023, 05:14 PM)lex24 Wrote: As for Oracle itself – I’ve walked many a time down the Embarcadero to the stadium and I’ve never encountered a problem. Not sure what it’s like from the other direction – for example, coming from the train station.I can certify that coming from the train station it is quite bad. There is a lot of panhandling in the immediate vicinity. When there is a Giants game it is somewhat mitigated by the relatively larder number of passengers. There isn't space for the panhandlers. From an appearances point of view, it looks much worse than it is. There are lots of homeless tents visible as you enter the throat of the station. Those of us that are there somewhat often are not surprised by it and realize most of those folks are harmless. However, tourists and people who don't come there often will probably find it quite jarring.
I don't believe this is a "controlling" factor for free agent signings, but it is a fact that San Francisco has an image problem. Many big cities manage to mostly hide their homeless, drug, and crime problems. In San Francisco, it is right in front of you. Couple that with the extremly high vacancy rate in the City's business rentals and a potential signee may conclude the franchise is looking at financial impacts from all this going forward. That may be an accurate analysis. It also means the players opportunities to sign "NIL" contracts will be reduced. At one time San Francisco had a reputation for being expensive but there were plenty of oportunities to make money in the "local" economy. That is no longer true.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - lex24 - 12-15-2023
Goose dateline='[url=tel:1702687346' Wrote: 1702687346[/url]']
lex24 dateline='[url=tel:1702685664' Wrote: 1702685664[/url]']I can certify that coming from the train station it is quite bad. There is a lot of panhandling in the immediate vicinity. When there is a Giants game it is somewhat mitigated by the relatively larder number of passengers. There isn't space for the panhandlers. From an appearances point of view, it looks much worse than it is. There are lots of homeless tents visible as you enter the throat of the station. Those of us that are there somewhat often are not surprised by it and realize most of those folks are harmless. However, tourists and people who don't come there often will probably find it quite jarring.
As for Oracle itself – I’ve walked many a time down the Embarcadero to the stadium and I’ve never encountered a problem. Not sure what it’s like from the other direction – for example, coming from the train station.
I don't believe this is a "controlling" factor for free agent signings, but it is a fact that San Francisco has an image problem. Many big cities manage to mostly hide their homeless, drug, and crime problems. In San Francisco, it is right in front of you. Couple that with the extremly high vacancy rate in the City's business rentals and a potential signee may conclude the franchise is looking at financial impacts from all this going forward. That may be an accurate analysis. It also means the players opportunities to sign "NIL" contracts will be reduced. At one time San Francisco had a reputation for being expensive but there were plenty of oportunities to make money in the "local" economy. That is no longer true.
Giants are valued at 3.7 Billion. 5th in MLB. That will go up as they develop Mission Rock. The franchise is financially healthier than it’s ever been.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 12-15-2023
Having traveled a bit, I would say that as far as dangerous/ugly/disgusting reputation vs. reality, San Francisco is a jewel compared to most other cities. At least half of all cities representing major league baseball teams are far worse (based upon my personal travel experience), including Detroit, St. Louis, Baltimore, Los Angeles, Oakland, Houston, Cleveland, Chicago, Minneapolis, Boston, New York, Atlanta, and Philadelphia.
I know WashDC, Anaheim, Milwaukee and Miami have worse areas, but I haven't spent any time in those.
San Diego is a beautiful city, but navigating the 10-block gauntlet between our restaurant and the ballpark was particularly unpleasant. Kansas City is not, shall we say, a beautiful city, but I didn't feel unsafe there.
Comparatively speaking, I think Seattle is a cleaner, safer city (based upon my 10 year old experience there). And I liked Toronto, Tampa Bay, Denver, Pittsburgh and Phoenix.
I've never been to Arlington or Cincinnati (been through the airport, but that doesn't count).
Point is, SF is more attractive than virtually all of those cities except for a few small subsections...and the surrounding suburbs are well-kept, well-groomed and perfectly appropriate for athletes who can spend millions of dollars on housing and whatnot.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Goose - 12-15-2023
(12-15-2023, 08:28 PM)lex24 Wrote:They may be doing great, but it doesn't LOOK that way when you observe the overall San Francisco environment. The city forecasts an 800 million deficit over the next two years https://sfstandard.com/2023/12/13/san-francisco-budget-cuts-800-million-deficit-taxes-spending/. A lot of people's projections based on past growth rates are no longer panning out. For a free agent looking at finishing his career in a particular venue, choosing a healthy one is probably important.Goose dateline='[url=tel:1702687346' Wrote: 1702687346[/url]']
lex24 dateline='[url=tel:1702685664' Wrote: 1702685664[/url]']I can certify that coming from the train station it is quite bad. There is a lot of panhandling in the immediate vicinity. When there is a Giants game it is somewhat mitigated by the relatively larder number of passengers. There isn't space for the panhandlers. From an appearances point of view, it looks much worse than it is. There are lots of homeless tents visible as you enter the throat of the station. Those of us that are there somewhat often are not surprised by it and realize most of those folks are harmless. However, tourists and people who don't come there often will probably find it quite jarring.
As for Oracle itself – I’ve walked many a time down the Embarcadero to the stadium and I’ve never encountered a problem. Not sure what it’s like from the other direction – for example, coming from the train station.
I don't believe this is a "controlling" factor for free agent signings, but it is a fact that San Francisco has an image problem. Many big cities manage to mostly hide their homeless, drug, and crime problems. In San Francisco, it is right in front of you. Couple that with the extremly high vacancy rate in the City's business rentals and a potential signee may conclude the franchise is looking at financial impacts from all this going forward. That may be an accurate analysis. It also means the players opportunities to sign "NIL" contracts will be reduced. At one time San Francisco had a reputation for being expensive but there were plenty of opportunities to make money in the "local" economy. That is no longer true.
Giants are valued at 3.7 Billion. 5th in MLB. That will go up as they develop Mission Rock. The franchise is financially healthier than it’s ever been.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Giants - 12-15-2023
lex24 dateline='[url=tel:1702676411' Wrote: 1702676411[/url]']
Mick dateline='[url=tel:1702568990' Wrote: 1702568990[/url]']
Rumor is that the Giants are dropping from Yamamoto pursuit and focusing on Blake Snell. Which would be fine with me, he's brutally tough at Oracle.
From whom? Rumors also had Ohtani signing with Blue Jays.
Mick dateline='[url=tel:1702665999' Wrote: 1702665999[/url]']
Other rumor is that the Giants will miss out on Bellinger and give Rhys Hoskins a one year "prove it" contract...which would be in keeping with Farhan's penchant for signing formerly great players who were out for a year with injury...in Hoskins' case, an ACL which kept him out all of 2023. In 2022, the 6'4", 245 pound Hoskins hit 30 HRs. His OPS is generally in the .800 to .900 range, and he'll be 31 next season. I'd actually rather pay him $15 mms., than Bellinger $180 million.
Rhys Hoskins Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Rookie Status & More | Baseball-Reference.com
Phillies' Former Slugger Predicted To Join Giants
Jim Bowden. I think he was right once. But can’t remember when.
I’m guessing the Giants must have pissed him off at some point because he has been negative about SF since he started writing for The Athletic.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - lex24 - 12-16-2023
Goose dateline='[url=tel:1702698663' Wrote: 1702698663[/url]']
lex24 dateline='[url=tel:1702697288' Wrote: 1702697288[/url]']They may be doing great, but it doesn't LOOK that way when you observe the overall San Francisco environment. The city forecasts an 800 million deficit over the next two years https://sfstandard.com/2023/12/13/san-francisco-budget-cuts-800-million-deficit-taxes-spending/. A lot of people's projections based on past growth rates are no longer panning out. For a free agent looking at finishing his career in a particular venue, choosing a healthy one is probably important.
Goose dateline='[url=tel:1702687346' Wrote: 1702687346[/url]']
lex24 dateline='[url=tel:1702685664' Wrote: 1702685664[/url]']I can certify that coming from the train station it is quite bad. There is a lot of panhandling in the immediate vicinity. When there is a Giants game it is somewhat mitigated by the relatively larder number of passengers. There isn't space for the panhandlers. From an appearances point of view, it looks much worse than it is. There are lots of homeless tents visible as you enter the throat of the station. Those of us that are there somewhat often are not surprised by it and realize most of those folks are harmless. However, tourists and people who don't come there often will probably find it quite jarring.
As for Oracle itself – I’ve walked many a time down the Embarcadero to the stadium and I’ve never encountered a problem. Not sure what it’s like from the other direction – for example, coming from the train station.
I don't believe this is a "controlling" factor for free agent signings, but it is a fact that San Francisco has an image problem. Many big cities manage to mostly hide their homeless, drug, and crime problems. In San Francisco, it is right in front of you. Couple that with the extremly high vacancy rate in the City's business rentals and a potential signee may conclude the franchise is looking at financial impacts from all this going forward. That may be an accurate analysis. It also means the players opportunities to sign "NIL" contracts will be reduced. At one time San Francisco had a reputation for being expensive but there were plenty of opportunities to make money in the "local" economy. That is no longer true.
Giants are valued at 3.7 Billion. 5th in MLB. That will go up as they develop Mission Rock. The franchise is financially healthier than it’s ever been.
Why? The money is guaranteed. I don’t think players look at a city’s financial situation in making a determination.
Here is Scott Boras on “the issue”:
“Players talk about whether ownership is willing to spend to win," Boras said. "Will they pay me my value? What do they have in the minor leagues that will make them a consistent winner? They're focused on baseball. There are issues including homelessness near the ballpark in San Diego, in downtown L.A.
"To identify that only with San Francisco is really unfair. In any of the major cities, we've got issues. Chicago, New York, wherever. The players' major focus is the structure of the organization and winning and competing. The biggest issue the Giants have is the fact that the Dodgers are getting better. Players want to know if they come here, will they be able to compete with the Dodgers. And now Arizona. That's the real major question that San Francisco has to answer."
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 12-16-2023
(12-15-2023, 05:14 PM)lex24 Wrote:Leftcoast dateline='[url=tel:1702685267' Wrote: 1702685267[/url]']
Not a surprise free agent competition might use the city's recent national rep against the Giants. Hopefully players who've played here as a visitor have seen and know better. Hard to beat a good day on the waterfront, a game at Oracle, and a dinner at some of the nearby eateries for player families. Perceptions matter though so the team and city need a cheerleader.
And that cheerleader very well may be Buster. Because in the rest of his comments he talked about how much he loves the city. After all he picked up his family from his home in Georgia and moved back here. What he essentially was saying, is that the perceptions have hurt. (Zaidi said something similar last year) He wasn’t saying they couldn’t be overcome.
San Francisco obviously has real problems with drugs, homelessness, etc. But so does Los Angeles, Chicago, New York,Philly etc. I actually think the issue is heightened to an extent because San Francisco is a small city geographically. Harder to “hide” the issues.
it also doesn’t help that much of the problem is centered around the area of what qualifies as a theater district in San Francisco.
As for Oracle itself – I’ve walked many a time down the Embarcadero to the stadium and I’ve never encountered a problem. Not sure what it’s like from the other direction – for example, coming from the train station.
I had a particularly unpleasant encounter with a homeless person just outside of Oracle, and I didn't go back for a while after that. And it is harder for San Francisco to hide their image issues, particularly post-COVID. Over half the restaurants in the city shut down. And in the part of the city that's arguably most visible to visitors, Union Square, there's a retail disaster in the making. The list of stores that have shut down include Abercrombie & Fitch, Anthropologie, Arcteryx, AT&T, Banana Republic, Brooks Brothers, CB2, Cinemark, Coco Republic, Container Store, Crate & Barrel, Disney Store, DSW/Designer Shoe Warehouse, Gap, Goorin Brothers, H&M, Hilton, Huntington, La Cocina, Marmot, Nordstrom, Nordstrom Rack, Old Navy, Office Depot, Omega, Parc55, Ray Ban, Saks Off Fifth, Uniglo, Yotel. Those are major brand names, not fly-by-night operations...and that doesn't even include the disintegration of retail drugstores inside city limits. San Francisco is positively screaming that it is a failed city.
Couple that image with the fact that Oracle is a disaster for hitters, and it doesn't surprise me that hitters don't want to come here. Bryce Harper went to Philly, a park where he's always hit well. Ohtani's splits at Dodger Stadium are .357/.457/.679/1.136 -- at Oracle, they are .000/.200/.000/.200. Doesn't surprise me that he didn't want to come here.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - lex24 - 12-16-2023
Mick dateline='[url=tel:1702743380' Wrote: 1702743380[/url]']
lex24 dateline='[url=tel:1702685664' Wrote: 1702685664[/url]']
Leftcoast dateline='[url=tel:1702685267' Wrote: 1702685267[/url]']
Not a surprise free agent competition might use the city's recent national rep against the Giants. Hopefully players who've played here as a visitor have seen and know better. Hard to beat a good day on the waterfront, a game at Oracle, and a dinner at some of the nearby eateries for player families. Perceptions matter though so the team and city need a cheerleader.
And that cheerleader very well may be Buster. Because in the rest of his comments he talked about how much he loves the city. After all he picked up his family from his home in Georgia and moved back here. What he essentially was saying, is that the perceptions have hurt. (Zaidi said something similar last year) He wasn’t saying they couldn’t be overcome.
San Francisco obviously has real problems with drugs, homelessness, etc. But so does Los Angeles, Chicago, New York,Philly etc. I actually think the issue is heightened to an extent because San Francisco is a small city geographically. Harder to “hide” the issues.
it also doesn’t help that much of the problem is centered around the area of what qualifies as a theater district in San Francisco.
As for Oracle itself – I’ve walked many a time down the Embarcadero to the stadium and I’ve never encountered a problem. Not sure what it’s like from the other direction – for example, coming from the train station.
I had a particularly unpleasant encounter with a homeless person just outside of Oracle, and I didn't go back for a while after that. And it is harder for San Francisco to hide their image issues, particularly post-COVID. Over half the restaurants in the city shut down. And in the part of the city that's arguably most visible to visitors, Union Square, there's a retail disaster in the making. The list of stores that have shut down include Abercrombie & Fitch, Anthropologie, Arcteryx, AT&T, Banana Republic, Brooks Brothers, CB2, Cinemark, Coco Republic, Container Store, Crate & Barrel, Disney Store, DSW/Designer Shoe Warehouse, Gap, Goorin Brothers, H&M, Hilton, Huntington, La Cocina, Marmot, Nordstrom, Nordstrom Rack, Old Navy, Office Depot, Omega, Parc55, Ray Ban, Saks Off Fifth, Uniglo, Yotel. Those are major brand names, not fly-by-night operations...and that doesn't even include the disintegration of retail drugstores inside city limits. San Francisco is positively screaming that it is a failed city.
Couple that image with the fact that Oracle is a disaster for hitters, and it doesn't surprise me that hitters don't want to come here. Bryce Harper went to Philly, a park where he's always hit well. Ohtani's splits at Dodger Stadium are .357/.457/.679/1.136 -- at Oracle, they are .000/.200/.000/.200. Doesn't surprise me that he didn't want to come here.
How many PAs at Oracle. 4?
So, no hitters want to come. Fine, get pitchers. After all, only Yellowstone is a tougher park to hit in. If you are a pitcher, it’s paradise….
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Giants - 12-16-2023
“over half the restaurants in the city have shut down”…
Wrong!
Per the Golden Gate Restaurant Association, there were 3,974 restaurants in the city in 2021. To suggest that nearly 2,000 restaurants in the city have closed since that time exaggerates the difficulty the dining industry has experienced over the last couple years.
SF has its share of problems. However, to call it a “failed city” is definitely wrong. The pandemic has had a significant impact (more so than most large cities in the U.S.) with the workforce coming back far more slowly than elsewhere (I would guess this is due to the nature of work done by a very large segment of the employee-base in SF). This is the primary reason large businesses downtown have shuttered their stores. However, it is remains a world class city that attracts visitors from all over the world. In fact, tourism increased in 2022 (21.9 million) by 29% over 2021.
In an attempt to not cross our political commentary line, I will just say, there are forces in the media that would like to see SF fail but they are wrong. Those of us who live here know better.
Last comment - Unfortunately, Posey was right, it is a matter of perception over reality.
Back to baseball…. Manea may be coming back.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - lex24 - 12-16-2023
Giants dateline='[url=tel:1702751932' Wrote: 1702751932[/url]']
“over half the restaurants in the city have shut down”…
Wrong!
Per the Golden Gate Restaurant Association, there were 3,974 restaurants in the city in 2021. To suggest that nearly 2,000 restaurants in the city have closed since that time exaggerates the difficulty the dining industry has experienced over the last couple years.
SF has its share of problems. However, to call it a “failed city” is definitely wrong. The pandemic has had a significant impact (more so than most large cities in the U.S.) with the workforce coming back far more slowly than elsewhere (I would guess this is due to the nature of work done by a very large segment of the employee-base in SF). This is the primary reason large businesses downtown have shuttered their stores. However, it is remains a world class city that attracts visitors from all over the world. In fact, tourism increased in 2022 (21.9 million) by 29% over 2021.
In an attempt to not cross our political commentary line, I will just say, there are forces in the media that would like to see SF fail but they are wrong. Those of us who live here know better.
Last comment - Unfortunately, Posey was right, it is a matter of perception over reality.
Back to baseball…. Manea may be coming back.
Thing about Buster’s comments is they focused, of course, on the negative and not the positive things he said about San Francisco and the Bay Area.
As for Manaea, if the Giants bring him back, it’s only because they failed to pick up one of the higher tier free agent pitchers that are available. So let’s hope that doesn’t happen.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 12-16-2023
(12-16-2023, 11:38 AM)Giants Wrote: “over half the restaurants in the city have shut down”…
Wrong!
Per the Golden Gate Restaurant Association, there were 3,974 restaurants in the city in 2021. To suggest that nearly 2,000 restaurants in the city have closed since that time exaggerates the difficulty the dining industry has experienced over the last couple years.
I stipulate to your 2021 figure of 3,974. The Rentech restaurant mailing list for San Francisco lists 1,788 restaurants in San Francisco as of September, 2023. That's how I derived my 50% figure.
https://rentechdigital.com/smartscraper/business-report-details/united-states/california/san-francisco/restaurants
(12-16-2023, 11:38 AM)Giants Wrote: SF has its share of problems. However, to call it a “failed city” is definitely wrong.
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to imply that San Francisco is a failed city. I was referring to the fact that the city is communicating that it is a failed city.
(12-16-2023, 11:38 AM)Giants Wrote: The pandemic has had a significant impact (more so than most large cities in the U.S.) with the workforce coming back far more slowly than elsewhere (I would guess this is due to the nature of work done by a very large segment of the employee-base in SF). This is the primary reason large businesses downtown have shuttered their stores.
I might also suggest two other reasons; first, that an increase in street crime and a failure to prosecute property crimes may have a bit to do with the enormous number of retail businesses that have closed, and second that there are far fewer shoppers than there once were (I note hotels are closing as well).
(12-16-2023, 11:38 AM)Giants Wrote: However, it is remains a world class city that attracts visitors from all over the world. In fact, tourism increased in 2022 (21.9 million) by 29% over 2021.
COVID still influenced tourism in 2021. There were 26 million tourists in 2018 and 2019, so the 21.9 million in 2022 is a considerable decrease from the 26 mm in 2019. San Francisco Travel estimates that there will be 664,759 convention hotel room bights booked in 2023 compared with 967,861 booked in 2019. In 2021, SF had 481,000 international visitors. In 2019, there were 2.9 million international visitors.
The downtown office vacancy rate is 35%. Open air drug market. Tourism decline and closed hotels. Retail collapse. 150,000 fewer daily commuters who used to work downtown. Little new housing. Recovery vs. Harm Reduction.
I hope the perception of San Francisco as a world-class, safe, exciting city to visit comes back, I really do. My son loves it, and it's always entertaining to visit.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - old spanish trail - 12-16-2023
(12-16-2023, 11:38 AM)Giants Wrote: “over half the restaurants in the city have shut down”…
Wrong!
Per the Golden Gate Restaurant Association, there were 3,974 restaurants in the city in 2021. To suggest that nearly 2,000 restaurants in the city have closed since that time exaggerates the difficulty the dining industry has experienced over the last couple years.
SF has its share of problems. However, to call it a “failed city” is definitely wrong. The pandemic has had a significant impact (more so than most large cities in the U.S.) with the workforce coming back far more slowly than elsewhere (I would guess this is due to the nature of work done by a very large segment of the employee-base in SF). This is the primary reason large businesses downtown have shuttered their stores. However, it is remains a world class city that attracts visitors from all over the world. In fact, tourism increased in 2022 (21.9 million) by 29% over 2021.
In an attempt to not cross our political commentary line, I will just say, there are forces in the media that would like to see SF fail but they are wrong. Those of us who live here know better.
Last comment - Unfortunately, Posey was right, it is a matter of perception over reality.
Back to baseball…. Manea may be coming back.
I'm ok with Manea coming back. He had three bad outings and was made to sit in the corner. If they don't pay too much, he's way worth it. Re other factors, I have followed the demonization of SF and Newsom on Fox. It's one of their big themes and it's gross. I could cite many examples but dont want to wade into political stuff.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 12-16-2023
(12-16-2023, 01:34 PM)old spanish trail Wrote:(12-16-2023, 11:38 AM)Giants Wrote: “over half the restaurants in the city have shut down”…
Wrong!
Per the Golden Gate Restaurant Association, there were 3,974 restaurants in the city in 2021. To suggest that nearly 2,000 restaurants in the city have closed since that time exaggerates the difficulty the dining industry has experienced over the last couple years.
SF has its share of problems. However, to call it a “failed city” is definitely wrong. The pandemic has had a significant impact (more so than most large cities in the U.S.) with the workforce coming back far more slowly than elsewhere (I would guess this is due to the nature of work done by a very large segment of the employee-base in SF). This is the primary reason large businesses downtown have shuttered their stores. However, it is remains a world class city that attracts visitors from all over the world. In fact, tourism increased in 2022 (21.9 million) by 29% over 2021.
In an attempt to not cross our political commentary line, I will just say, there are forces in the media that would like to see SF fail but they are wrong. Those of us who live here know better.
Last comment - Unfortunately, Posey was right, it is a matter of perception over reality.
Back to baseball…. Manea may be coming back.
I'm ok with Manea coming back. He had three bad outings and was made to sit in the corner. If they don't pay too much, he's way worth it. Re other factors, I have followed the demonization of SF and Newsom on Fox. It's one of their big themes and it's gross. I could cite many examples but dont want to wade into political stuff.
Agreed, but then I don't watch Fox so I wouldn't know what they communicate re: SF or anything else.
What do you think Manaea is worth? $10 million? His splits at home and vs. lefties were really strong last year, and he finished really strong. Basically, his ERA got better from June onward.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - old spanish trail - 12-16-2023
(12-16-2023, 03:11 PM)Mick Wrote:(12-16-2023, 01:34 PM)old spanish trail Wrote:(12-16-2023, 11:38 AM)Giants Wrote: “over half the restaurants in the city have shut down”…
Wrong!
Per the Golden Gate Restaurant Association, there were 3,974 restaurants in the city in 2021. To suggest that nearly 2,000 restaurants in the city have closed since that time exaggerates the difficulty the dining industry has experienced over the last couple years.
SF has its share of problems. However, to call it a “failed city” is definitely wrong. The pandemic has had a significant impact (more so than most large cities in the U.S.) with the workforce coming back far more slowly than elsewhere (I would guess this is due to the nature of work done by a very large segment of the employee-base in SF). This is the primary reason large businesses downtown have shuttered their stores. However, it is remains a world class city that attracts visitors from all over the world. In fact, tourism increased in 2022 (21.9 million) by 29% over 2021.
In an attempt to not cross our political commentary line, I will just say, there are forces in the media that would like to see SF fail but they are wrong. Those of us who live here know better.
Last comment - Unfortunately, Posey was right, it is a matter of perception over reality.
Back to baseball…. Manea may be coming back.
I'm ok with Manea coming back. He had three bad outings and was made to sit in the corner. If they don't pay too much, he's way worth it. Re other factors, I have followed the demonization of SF and Newsom on Fox. It's one of their big themes and it's gross. I could cite many examples but dont want to wade into political stuff.
Agreed, but then I don't watch Fox so I wouldn't know what they communicate re: SF or anything else.
What do you think Manaea is worth? $10 million? His splits at home and vs. lefties were really strong last year, and he finished really strong. Basically, his ERA got better from June onward.
About right. Or two for sixteen? A big bargain compared to Stripling.
triangle2 - triangle2 - 12-16-2023
Bowden now claiming that Giants and Red Sox have both offered Yamamoto more than $300M.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - BobK - 12-16-2023
Oracle ranked 14th most HRs. I don’t know if last year only or a longer period
RE: SF Giants 2024 - lex24 - 12-16-2023
BobK dateline='[url=tel:1702771435' Wrote: 1702771435[/url]']
Oracle ranked 14th most HRs. I don’t know if last year only or a longer period
Yeah. The thing is, Petco is not an easy place to hit HR’s. Neither is Chase.