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RE: Stanford to be half shut down on Monday - cardcrimson - 03-08-2020
(03-08-2020, 03:59 AM)akiddoc Wrote: The Trump administration continues to overrule people who actually know what should be done (scientists):
https://www.sfgate.com/news/medical/article/Official-White-House-didn-t-want-to-tell-seniors-15114158.php
Thought this site was apolitical, especially commenting on articles with sources such as this:
"The person who spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity did not have authorization to talk about the matter. The person did not have direct knowledge about why the decision to kill the language was made."
RE: Stanford to be half shut down on Monday - 2006alum - 03-08-2020
(03-08-2020, 09:44 AM)cardcrimson Wrote:(03-08-2020, 03:59 AM)akiddoc Wrote: The Trump administration continues to overrule people who actually know what should be done (scientists):
https://www.sfgate.com/news/medical/article/Official-White-House-didn-t-want-to-tell-seniors-15114158.php
Thought this site was apolitical, especially commenting on articles with sources such as this:
"The person who spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity did not have authorization to talk about the matter. The person did not have direct knowledge about why the decision to kill the language was made."
To me, the most important part is the advice itself. And interestingly, the advice that the elderly and high-risk should stay in and not travel has been echoed by the Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, which suggests that while the allegations about a coverup may not necessarily be supported, the substance of the advice allegedly covered up is good. (I'm guessing that Director's chain of command doesn't run through the White House, because the Surgeon General, whose chain of command does, said quite the opposite this morning: "Life can't stop."). Funny, it has in China. Then Korea. Now Italy...
I'm thankful my elderly relatives are (mostly) abiding by my admonitions and staying in for the next few weeks.
RE: Stanford to be half shut down on Monday - cardcrimson - 03-08-2020
(03-08-2020, 10:42 AM)2006alum Wrote:(03-08-2020, 09:44 AM)cardcrimson Wrote:(03-08-2020, 03:59 AM)akiddoc Wrote: The Trump administration continues to overrule people who actually know what should be done (scientists):
https://www.sfgate.com/news/medical/article/Official-White-House-didn-t-want-to-tell-seniors-15114158.php
Thought this site was apolitical, especially commenting on articles with sources such as this:
"The person who spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity did not have authorization to talk about the matter. The person did not have direct knowledge about why the decision to kill the language was made."
(I'm guessing that Director's chain of command doesn't run through the White House, because the Surgeon General, whose chain of command does, said quite the opposite this morning: "Life can't stop.").
I'm thankful my elderly relatives are (mostly) abiding by my admonitions and staying in for the next few weeks.
According to the article you linked, the Surgeon General's comment was based on a specific question: Should Presidential Candidates stop traveling? Context is important: he replied to that question specifically that "life can't stop." Interestingly, the article also sited Sanders saying that he's not stopping travel and is moving forward with his campaign, including holding rallies. Clearly Sanders thinks such travel and gatherings are a-okay, as he went on to say: “We will not endanger the health of anybody in this country,”
I've no idea what the right course of action is, however, there are always considerations on every side of every decision and ramifications of what's implemented.
RE: Covid-19 considerations - 2006alum - 03-08-2020
I find it crazy that presidential candidates are still having rallies. Is it really that necessary? Are those couple thousand voters the make it or break it ones? In this day and age of internet outreach, can't we find a better way not to risk mass transmission?
RE: Covid-19 considerations - OutsiderFan - 03-08-2020
(03-08-2020, 11:14 AM)2006alum Wrote: I find it crazy that presidential candidates are still having rallies. Is it really that necessary? Are those couple thousand voters the make it or break it ones? In this day and age of internet outreach, can't we find a better way not to risk mass transmission?
Ditto. Maybe do some YouTube videos that can be seen by more people anyway. Host a webinar and take questions.
Hey, 2006, thanks for the PM. I tried to reply but was told I can't send because you have me on ignore. Seems strange given the message you sent me!
RE: Covid-19 considerations - 2006alum - 03-08-2020
(03-08-2020, 12:15 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(03-08-2020, 11:14 AM)2006alum Wrote: I find it crazy that presidential candidates are still having rallies. Is it really that necessary? Are those couple thousand voters the make it or break it ones? In this day and age of internet outreach, can't we find a better way not to risk mass transmission?
Ditto. Maybe do some YouTube videos that can be seen by more people anyway. Host a webinar and take questions.
Hey, 2006, thanks for the PM. I tried to reply but was told I can't send because you have me on ignore. Seems strange given the message you sent me!
Weird -try it again and see if it works now??
RE: Covid-19 considerations - OutsiderFan - 03-08-2020
Saudi Arabia has 11 reported Covid-19 cases. That didn't stop it from today closing all schools and universities across the kingdom until further notice.
Israel is now considering a 14-day quarantine of ANYONE traveling from ANYWHERE in the world to Israel. I saw another country (can't remember the one) requiring a 30-day quarantine.
Italy now has the second most reported cases to China, passing South Korea. Speaking of this...
China has 23x the population of Italy. Yet, China seems to have only 10x more cases after three months of spread, than Italy has had in just 3 weeks since the virus took off there. China has 18x the population of Iran and a similar story. South Korea is even smaller than Italy, yet they have even more cases than Italy does on a percentage of population basis. These three countries have about .0001 of population infected now, with at least a month less of time than China had before it took action. China's official numbers equate to .00005 of population. Either China has been misrepresenting its actual infection numbers or it didn't test and count enough people who have the virus.
When you figure Italy was planning its response on China's numbers, it's just an unmitigated disaster. Based on the spread in Italy, Iran, and South Korea, it seems for every 2-3 cases China only reported one. To put this in perspective, I saw a great monologue by Chris Hayes this week, where he talked about disasters as measurement problems. He used Chernobyl as his analog to this Coronavirus pandemic. After the accident, the onsite workers measured 3.6 units of radiation per hour and didn't think things were that bad. They didn't realize their devices could only measure up to 3.6. When military grade detection was used, they found it was 15,000 units per hour.
RE: Covid-19 considerations - martyup - 03-08-2020
It is interesting to me that Hong Kong only has 14 cases reported. I would expect more since they share a border with China and many workers commute across the border.
RE: Covid-19 considerations - BostonCard - 03-08-2020
(03-08-2020, 01:47 PM)martyup Wrote: It is interesting to me that Hong Kong only has 14 cases reported. I would expect more since they share a border with China and many workers commute across the border.
Hong Kong was hit hard by SARS so they have experience managing an epidemic and they didn’t mess around.
BC
RE: Covid-19 considerations - CornFed - 03-08-2020
(03-08-2020, 12:57 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Saudi Arabia has 11 reported Covid-19 cases. That didn't stop it from today closing all schools and universities across the kingdom until further notice.
Israel is now considering a 14-day quarantine of ANYONE traveling from ANYWHERE in the world to Israel. I saw another country (can't remember the one) requiring a 30-day quarantine.
Italy now has the second most reported cases to China, passing South Korea. Speaking of this...
China has 23x the population of Italy. Yet, China seems to have only 10x more cases after three months of spread, than Italy has had in just 3 weeks since the virus took off there. China has 18x the population of Iran and a similar story. South Korea is even smaller than Italy, yet they have even more cases than Italy does on a percentage of population basis. These three countries have about .0001 of population infected now, with at least a month less of time than China had before it took action. China's official numbers equate to .00005 of population. Either China has been misrepresenting its actual infection numbers or it didn't test and count enough people who have the virus.
When you figure Italy was planning its response on China's numbers, it's just an unmitigated disaster. Based on the spread in Italy, Iran, and South Korea, it seems for every 2-3 cases China only reported one. To put this in perspective, I saw a great monologue by Chris Hayes this week, where he talked about disasters as measurement problems. He used Chernobyl as his analog to this Coronavirus pandemic. After the accident, the onsite workers measured 3.6 units of radiation per hour and didn't think things were that bad. They didn't realize their devices could only measure up to 3.6. When military grade detection was used, they found it was 15,000 units per hour.
I highly recommend the series Chernobyl. Extremely powerful.
RE: Stanford Athletics Coronavirus Update March 3rd - akiddoc - 03-08-2020
(03-06-2020, 06:12 PM)M T Wrote:(03-06-2020, 06:04 PM)chrisk Wrote: On my PC, it has been very prominent all day. The fact that there are attendance limits is in big letters at the top of the page. The only problem is the next page with the text of the announcements has the details below the first announcement on 3/3.
Ooops... probably my NoScript getting in the way. I checked on another browser and you're right. I should have checked there first. Thanks!
Apparently I'm not allowed to post on Coronavirus on this forum. I received an anonymous warning with no explanation. I'll go elsewhere.
RE: Stanford Athletics Coronavirus Update March 3rd - 2006alum - 03-08-2020
(03-08-2020, 06:27 PM)akiddoc Wrote:(03-06-2020, 06:12 PM)M T Wrote:(03-06-2020, 06:04 PM)chrisk Wrote: On my PC, it has been very prominent all day. The fact that there are attendance limits is in big letters at the top of the page. The only problem is the next page with the text of the announcements has the details below the first announcement on 3/3.
Ooops... probably my NoScript getting in the way. I checked on another browser and you're right. I should have checked there first. Thanks!
Apparently I'm not allowed to post on Coronavirus on this forum. I received an anonymous warning with no explanation. I'll go elsewhere.
Speaking as a mod, PLEASE don't. Your firsthand information has been valuable. I'll powwow with the other mods to see what's going on. Also, 100% warning out of the blue is unprecedented in my time as a mod. Let's keep this conversation going, and thanks for your valuable insights.
RE: Stanford Athletics Coronavirus Update March 3rd - BobK - 03-08-2020
2006 please think about this facts are not politics. Politics was the post to akiddoc
RE: Stanford Athletics Coronavirus Update March 3rd - Crafter Artisan - 03-08-2020
(03-08-2020, 06:35 PM)2006alum Wrote:(03-08-2020, 06:27 PM)akiddoc Wrote:(03-06-2020, 06:12 PM)M T Wrote:(03-06-2020, 06:04 PM)chrisk Wrote: On my PC, it has been very prominent all day. The fact that there are attendance limits is in big letters at the top of the page. The only problem is the next page with the text of the announcements has the details below the first announcement on 3/3.
Ooops... probably my NoScript getting in the way. I checked on another browser and you're right. I should have checked there first. Thanks!
Apparently I'm not allowed to post on Coronavirus on this forum. I received an anonymous warning with no explanation. I'll go elsewhere.
Speaking as a mod, PLEASE don't. Your firsthand information has been valuable. I'll powwow with the other mods to see what's going on. Also, 100% warning out of the blue is unprecedented in my time as a mod. Let's keep this conversation going, and thanks for your valuable insights.
I'm sure this happened because of his remark about the Trump administration in the main coronavirus thread, which somehow ran afoul of our no politics rule. For those who weren't here in May of 2016 there was a giant political flame war that led to at least three significant member departures, and we have had an ixnay on political discussion ever since as a result.
RE: Stanford Athletics Coronavirus Update March 3rd - Snorlax94 - 03-08-2020
(03-08-2020, 06:35 PM)2006alum Wrote:+1(03-08-2020, 06:27 PM)akiddoc Wrote:(03-06-2020, 06:12 PM)M T Wrote:(03-06-2020, 06:04 PM)chrisk Wrote: On my PC, it has been very prominent all day. The fact that there are attendance limits is in big letters at the top of the page. The only problem is the next page with the text of the announcements has the details below the first announcement on 3/3.
Ooops... probably my NoScript getting in the way. I checked on another browser and you're right. I should have checked there first. Thanks!
Apparently I'm not allowed to post on Coronavirus on this forum. I received an anonymous warning with no explanation. I'll go elsewhere.
Speaking as a mod, PLEASE don't. Your firsthand information has been valuable. I'll powwow with the other mods to see what's going on. Also, 100% warning out of the blue is unprecedented in my time as a mod. Let's keep this conversation going, and thanks for your valuable insights.
I hope akiddoc continues to share insights from the front lines, as well.
Perhaps a moderator can delve into what was the nature of the warning and can provide specifics because I can’t imagine the medical knowledge and experience are problematic.
I think akiddoc is a relatively infrequent poster so perhaps pointing out specific statements or lines via DM could help.
Akiddoc’s posts on the coronavirus gave been among the most informative. They should not be censored or chilled completely.
RE: Stanford Athletics Coronavirus Update March 3rd - 2006alum - 03-08-2020
Swerving back to the topic of this thread, the BNP Paribas Open tennis tournament (colloquially known as "Indian Wells") has been cancelled due to Corid-19. For those unfamiliar with tennis, this is arguably the 7th biggest event of the tennis season, after the four majors, the Miami Open, and the year-end championships. I suspect within the next week most Stanford sports will move to either no crowds or suspension of play.
I've inquired with the mods and in the interim removed the warning. My personal preference is to err on the side of running up against the no-politics line, because this issue is so embedded in national politics/policy/governance that it's hard to 100% avoid that. I'm 100% percent committed to keeping name-calling, partisan attacks, etc., out. But if the facts are bad, the facts are bad. Let's just try to keep focused on posts that we think are informative and helpful for other readers, and someone will be back in touch soon with an update.
Thanks all.
RE: Stanford Athletics Coronavirus Update March 3rd - BobK - 03-08-2020
Thank you 2006
As to Stanford crowds well its dead week then finals week so not much planned
RE: Stanford to be half shut down on Monday - akiddoc - 03-08-2020
(03-08-2020, 11:05 AM)cardcrimson Wrote:(03-08-2020, 10:42 AM)2006alum Wrote:(03-08-2020, 09:44 AM)cardcrimson Wrote:(03-08-2020, 03:59 AM)akiddoc Wrote: The Trump administration continues to overrule people who actually know what should be done (scientists):
https://www.sfgate.com/news/medical/article/Official-White-House-didn-t-want-to-tell-seniors-15114158.php
Thought this site was apolitical, especially commenting on articles with sources such as this:
"The person who spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity did not have authorization to talk about the matter. The person did not have direct knowledge about why the decision to kill the language was made."
(I'm guessing that Director's chain of command doesn't run through the White House, because the Surgeon General, whose chain of command does, said quite the opposite this morning: "Life can't stop.").
I'm thankful my elderly relatives are (mostly) abiding by my admonitions and staying in for the next few weeks.
According to the article you linked, the Surgeon General's comment was based on a specific question: Should Presidential Candidates stop traveling? Context is important: he replied to that question specifically that "life can't stop." Interestingly, the article also sited Sanders saying that he's not stopping travel and is moving forward with his campaign, including holding rallies. Clearly Sanders thinks such travel and gatherings are a-okay, as he went on to say: “We will not endanger the health of anybody in this country,”
I've no idea what the right course of action is, however, there are always considerations on every side of every decision and ramifications of what's implemented.
Sanders is also wrong. Since I'm supposed to be apolitical here I won't call him an idiot. Any political candidate holding mass meetings now IS endangering lives. The Surgeon General is also wrong. But he's also a politician, basically.
My comment that the administration is overruling scientists and that it is the wrong decision isn't political in any way. Trying to stop a pandemic is not an activity that should be left to the whims of politicians. The Chinese and the Saudis seem to be the only ones on earth willing to take the steps necessary to stop this. And I sure as heck don't like those in charge of those countries.
We should have closed every school and daycare in the country 2 weeks ago. No one should be going to work unless it is an essential service. Otherwise, we are conceding that 2 million deaths this year is acceptable. The economy will go in the toilet, but we'll come out of it.
RE: Covid-19 considerations - BostonCard - 03-08-2020
I wouldn’t give the Chinese too much credit. the whole crisis may have been averted had the Chinese Communist Party not hidden the epidemic back when it was first identified and allowed doctors to communicate their concerns instead of censuring them for speaking out.
BC
RE: Covid-19 considerations - akiddoc - 03-08-2020
(03-08-2020, 10:29 PM)BostonCard Wrote: I wouldn’t give the Chinese too much credit. the whole crisis may have been averted had the Chinese Communist Party not hidden the epidemic back when it was first identified and allowed doctors to communicate their concerns instead of censuring them for speaking out.
BC
Once the central government realized the extent of what was happening, they acted decisively. Not ideally early, but once they realized the threat they did what needed to be done. We have known about the threat for a while, watching and criticizing the Chinese, and sat placidly allowing it to proceed here.
Finally allowing this statement (quote from NYT):
"On Sunday, the leading U.S. expert on infectious diseases, Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, said that it was possible that regional lockdowns could become necessary and recommended that those at greatest risk — the elderly and those with underlying health conditions — abstain from travel."
Still not decisive enough.
Ted Cruz and others with varying degrees of contact:
https://www.sfgate.com/news/texas/article/DC-church-reports-its-rector-tests-positive-for-15115200.php