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RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - Phogge - 09-25-2022
If the Niners lose how quickly will "Coach" post with The Truth?
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - Mick - 09-25-2022
(09-25-2022, 08:15 PM)Phogge Wrote: If the Niners lose how quickly will "Coach" post with The Truth?
I don't know, but we just saw why Garoppolo < Montana/Young/Brodie/Garcia.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - lex24 - 09-25-2022
Comes down to 4th. Wilson made plays. JG didn’t. Not surprising.
Can’t play much better defensively. But offense gave up 5 points. Pretty awful performance. Line got smoked. JG not good. And that’s an understatement. Fumble. 2ints. And walked into a safety - which ultimately saved 5 points…..
If Williams is out a long time, forget it.
(09-25-2022, 08:20 PM)Mick Wrote:(09-25-2022, 08:15 PM)Phogge Wrote: If the Niners lose how quickly will "Coach" post with The Truth?
I don't know, but we just saw why Garoppolo < Montana/Young/Brodie/Garcia.
Garcia? That’s like a test question: “one of these is not like the other”.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - cardcrimson - 09-25-2022
Never been a brobdingnagian Garoppolo fan, but cut him some slack. How much time has he had with the team? Three plus weeks? With the first team? Just about a week? Yeah, he looked really rusty. Then again, where was the running game?
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - BobK - 09-25-2022
The safety was the 49ers best play
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - Phogge - 09-25-2022
He was high on many passes. Denver has a very good defense. Bosa was gassed on the last drive. Still I like the Niners chances.
One benefit for me is without Lance I don't have to worry about the read option which is the hardest shot to follow from my position, especially if it is run to the opposite side of the field. Takes incredible concentration.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - lex24 - 09-25-2022
(09-25-2022, 08:36 PM)cardcrimson Wrote: Never been a of immense proportions Garoppolo fan, but cut him some slack. How much time has he had with the team? Three plus weeks? With the first team? Just about a week? Yeah, he looked really rusty. Then again, where was the running game?
He’s had years with the first team. If he plays below average as opposed to putrid, they win. I’ve never seen an NFL QB walk out of the back of the EZ. Throw in fumbling a snap and two 4th Q ints, along with a slew of off target throws and you have a performance worthy of being labeled “putrid”.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - OutsiderFan - 09-26-2022
The Niners played the 4th quarter at Denver without their starting LT, QB, and RB. That's no excuse, just reality.
Garoppolo demonstrated why the choice was Lance. His margin for error is just too small and he can't make off schedule plays.
Pitiful that they haven't allowed over 257 yards of offense in a game and are 1-2. The passing game is atrocious.
Shanahan is going to have to re-think his approach because it is not working as planned.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - lex24 - 09-26-2022
(09-26-2022, 05:48 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: The Niners played the 4th quarter at Denver without their starting LT, QB, and RB. That's no excuse, just reality.
Garoppolo demonstrated why the choice was Lance. His margin for error is just too small and he can't make off schedule plays.
Pitiful that they haven't allowed over 257 yards of offense in a game and are 1-2. The passing game is atrocious.
Shanahan is going to have to re-think his approach because it is not working as planned.
Didn’t help that interior o-line got smoked.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - cardcrimson - 09-26-2022
(09-25-2022, 09:01 PM)lex24 Wrote:(09-25-2022, 08:36 PM)cardcrimson Wrote: Never been a of immense proportions Garoppolo fan, but cut him some slack. How much time has he had with the team? Three plus weeks? With the first team? Just about a week? Yeah, he looked really rusty. Then again, where was the running game?
He’s had years with the first team. If he plays below average as opposed to putrid, they win. I’ve never seen an NFL QB walk out of the back of the EZ. Throw in fumbling a snap and two 4th Q ints, along with a slew of off target throws and you have a performance worthy of being labeled “putrid”.
Okay. Putrid. He did have surgery on his shoulder, correct? His throwing shoulder, correct? He had no reps with a team of any sorts until the week before the first game, correct? Then none or few with the first team before the second game, correct? I'll give him a couple more weeks to let him get back to his old, game manager self.
And yes, I've seen QBs step out of the back of the end zone before.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - Mick - 09-26-2022
(09-25-2022, 08:30 PM)lex24 Wrote:(09-25-2022, 08:20 PM)Mick Wrote:(09-25-2022, 08:15 PM)Phogge Wrote: If the Niners lose how quickly will "Coach" post with The Truth?
I don't know, but we just saw why Garoppolo < Montana/Young/Brodie/Garcia.
Garcia? That’s like a test question: “one of these is not like the other”.
Easy answer, they all have achieved multiple pro bowl status, including Garcia. Montana (8x pro bowl), Young (7x pro bowl), Brodie (2x pro bowl), Garcia (4x NFL pro bowl and 4x CFL All Star). Garoppolo hasn't achieved any of those awards.
Garoppolo has more in common with Colin Kaepernick. Neither was ever a Pro Bowler, both led the NFL one time in average yards per passing attempt, both lost a Super Bowl.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - cardcrimson - 09-27-2022
Interesting that Steve Young, Ronnie Lott, and Tim Ryan all said September is the new preseason. Expect teams to look really rusty. Sharp some plays, a comedy of errors the next. Interesting takes. Ryan added there are still 14 games left. . . .
(09-22-2022, 01:42 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: The reactionary prisoners of the moment who can't seem to grasp that how a young player performs today is not how that player will perform tomorrow, were 100% convinced Aaron Banks was a bust simply because he didn't play in 2021 as a rookie 2nd round pick. The same types have also declared Trey Lance and Javon Kinlaw to be failures too. Kinlaw is looking very good so far this year, and now we have to wait even longer to see what Lance can do as he gains experience, but he can in no way be written off.
Many Niners fans were convinced the OL would be weak this year. Well, not so far. This video shows some really impressive work in particular by the essentially two rookie Guards, Banks and Burford.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VCcZSGzHAU
How are you liking them now?
-- A reactionary prisoner of the moment
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - OutsiderFan - 09-27-2022
(09-27-2022, 10:13 AM)cardcrimson Wrote: Interesting that Steve Young, Ronnie Lott, and Tim Ryan all said September is the new preseason. Expect teams to look really rusty. Sharp some plays, a comedy of errors the next. Interesting takes. Ryan added there are still 14 games left. . . .
(09-22-2022, 01:42 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: The reactionary prisoners of the moment who can't seem to grasp that how a young player performs today is not how that player will perform tomorrow, were 100% convinced Aaron Banks was a bust simply because he didn't play in 2021 as a rookie 2nd round pick. The same types have also declared Trey Lance and Javon Kinlaw to be failures too. Kinlaw is looking very good so far this year, and now we have to wait even longer to see what Lance can do as he gains experience, but he can in no way be written off.
Many Niners fans were convinced the OL would be weak this year. Well, not so far. This video shows some really impressive work in particular by the essentially two rookie Guards, Banks and Burford.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VCcZSGzHAU
How are you liking them now?
-- A reactionary prisoner of the moment
I have zero complaints with the young OL. They are holding their own and will continue improving. It's not the problem for the Niners, though sans Trent Williams the OL might be an area of concern. Turnovers and the piss poor passing game production is why the Niners are 1-2 and not 3-0.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - BobK - 09-27-2022
Losing Willians is a brobdingnagian loss. His replacement actual had several wiffs as in not even touching the DLineman He was replaced but that was only slightly better
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - cardcrimson - 09-27-2022
(09-27-2022, 12:34 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: I have zero complaints with the young OL. They are holding their own and will continue improving. It's not the problem for the Niners, though sans Trent Williams the OL might be an area of concern. Turnovers and the piss poor passing game production is why the Niners are 1-2 and not 3-0.
Did you ever think that the piss poor passing game might be due, in part, to the young OL. Lance wasn't having a lot of time, and Garoppolo has had even less. They're not blocking for the running game, either. .. .
But keep hanging on to your beliefs. . .
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - Phogge - 09-27-2022
Actually I thought The Truth was late.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - OutsiderFan - 09-28-2022
(09-27-2022, 02:39 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:(09-27-2022, 12:34 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: I have zero complaints with the young OL. They are holding their own and will continue improving. It's not the problem for the Niners, though sans Trent Williams the OL might be an area of concern. Turnovers and the piss poor passing game production is why the Niners are 1-2 and not 3-0.
Did you ever think that the piss poor passing game might be due, in part, to the young OL. Lance wasn't having a lot of time, and Garoppolo has had even less. They're not blocking for the running game, either. .. .
But keep hanging on to your beliefs. . .
As soon as you can tell everyone how the OL is responsible for the QB throwing inaccurately to open receivers, I'll be inclined to buy the notion the OL is the cause of the passing game failures.
Garoppolo threw inaccurately to an open Deebo Samuel three times against Denver when he wasn't being pressured. He also threw a pick throwing to a covered Deebo Samuel. I'm not hanging on to beliefs, just observing and properly interpreting what is going on.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - lex24 - 09-28-2022
(09-28-2022, 05:23 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(09-27-2022, 02:39 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:(09-27-2022, 12:34 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: I have zero complaints with the young OL. They are holding their own and will continue improving. It's not the problem for the Niners, though sans Trent Williams the OL might be an area of concern. Turnovers and the piss poor passing game production is why the Niners are 1-2 and not 3-0.
Did you ever think that the piss poor passing game might be due, in part, to the young OL. Lance wasn't having a lot of time, and Garoppolo has had even less. They're not blocking for the running game, either. .. .
But keep hanging on to your beliefs. . .
As soon as you can tell everyone how the OL is responsible for the QB throwing inaccurately to open receivers, I'll be inclined to buy the notion the OL is the cause of the passing game failures.
Garoppolo threw inaccurately to an open Deebo Samuel three times against Denver when he wasn't being pressured. He also threw a pick throwing to a covered Deebo Samuel. I'm not hanging on to beliefs, just observing and properly interpreting what is going on.
Both. Garrapolo was lousy. So was the o-line. Particularly the interior (until Williams got hurt.). Kinlaw had a lousy game as well…..
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - OutsiderFan - 09-29-2022
(09-28-2022, 04:44 PM)lex24 Wrote:(09-28-2022, 05:23 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(09-27-2022, 02:39 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:(09-27-2022, 12:34 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: I have zero complaints with the young OL. They are holding their own and will continue improving. It's not the problem for the Niners, though sans Trent Williams the OL might be an area of concern. Turnovers and the piss poor passing game production is why the Niners are 1-2 and not 3-0.
Did you ever think that the piss poor passing game might be due, in part, to the young OL. Lance wasn't having a lot of time, and Garoppolo has had even less. They're not blocking for the running game, either. .. .
But keep hanging on to your beliefs. . .
As soon as you can tell everyone how the OL is responsible for the QB throwing inaccurately to open receivers, I'll be inclined to buy the notion the OL is the cause of the passing game failures.
Garoppolo threw inaccurately to an open Deebo Samuel three times against Denver when he wasn't being pressured. He also threw a pick throwing to a covered Deebo Samuel. I'm not hanging on to beliefs, just observing and properly interpreting what is going on.
Both. Garrapolo was lousy. So was the o-line. Particularly the interior (until Williams got hurt.). Kinlaw had a lousy game as well…..
Just watched Jonnydell All-22 of the game. There were failures all over on offense. I still believe Garoppolo was the biggest problem, but teams usually don't lose because of one guy. Both Niners losses are replete with failures all over the field.
I'm beginning to suspect high coaching turnover on offensive side of the ball is having an impact on in-game execution and Shanahan misses Mike McDaniel dearly.
RE: OT: 2022 Niners thread - lex24 - 10-03-2022
Fairly big game tonight. Not “must-win”, way too early for that. Niners defense is good enough to keep them in any game. I think it’s going to be close. And low scoring. Losing Williams hurts. And Donald is going to be testing an untested interior o-line.
Armstead is probably out. That hurts a bit. Kinlaw also out in all likelihood. But he hasn’t proven he can play, so that’s not a big loss. It does mean more snaps for the other interior d-lineman. So, fatigue could be an issue.
Rams, 20-17.