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RE: 2023 Niners thread - TrumpCard - 10-25-2023
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RE: 2023 Niners thread - OutsiderFan - 10-25-2023
(10-25-2023, 11:55 AM)TrumpCard Wrote: This thread is offensive to people who think that football is an inherently dangerous activity that should be banned
I see what you did there. Well played, sir.
RE: 2023 Niners thread - Mick - 10-25-2023
(10-23-2023, 09:37 PM)lex24 Wrote:jonnyss dateline='[url=tel:1698118450' Wrote: 1698118450[/url]']
cardcrimson dateline='[url=tel:1698109633' Wrote: 1698109633[/url]']
What an awful start to the game. CMC fumbles. Dropped first down pass. Missed field goal by Moody. D a sieve. And at the end of the half, Ward has a pick ripped out of his hands, falls down, and the receive waltzes 40 yards into the endzone. Sheesh.
imo just a terrible decision by c ward to go for the interception with no help nearby. minnesota has 3rd and long from their own 40. just knock the ball down and the vikings have to punt. an arrogant, me-first play. and maybe poor coaching as well. defense is not fired up this year and makes stupid mistakes. steve wilks just not in the same league with robert saleh or demeco ryans.
and on offense, a terrible play by jennings to end the game. it looks like purdy misses him by a mile, but to my eyes purdy throws the same perfect pass the announcers have been praising all night: 20 yards straight down the middle, released just before the receiver breaks from outside the hash marks to the middle of the field. the ball goes exactly where ayouk and kittle have repeatedly caught the ball on the crossing pattern, but jennings runs a button hook instead of a crossing pattern.
Purdy missed both passes badly. As for Ward, it’s a play makers league. He had the int. Fluke play.
But the problem is bigger than a couple plays. They got smoked physically. Second straight week. Last week there were excuses galore. This week?
Defense has been very disappointing.
I suspect that Purdy was concussed when he missed both of those passes. It happened on the quarterback sneak in the fourth quarter, and those passes were subsequent to his concussion. He's currently in the concussion protocol.
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/kyle-shanahan-brock-purdy-is-in-the-concussion-protocol
Get ready for the Sam Darnold Era to begin...
https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/10/25/49ers-brock-purdy-in-concussion-protocol-missing-first-practice-for-bengals/
RE: 2023 Niners thread - OutsiderFan - 10-26-2023
I'm no more convinced Purdy won't play vs. Bengals than I was CMac wouldn't at Vikings.
Purdy could be out of concussion protocol today, Friday, or Saturday. He also could not be out by Sunday and be unable to play, but I think given he didn't have any symptoms until well after the game, the odds are he will be out of protocol by Sunday. I do see the line dropped from -5.5 to -3.5 after the Purdy protocol news was reported. Will be interesting to see what happens if he is cleared.
RE: 2023 Niners thread - lex24 - 10-27-2023
OutsiderFan dateline='[url=tel:1698324251' Wrote: 1698324251[/url]']
I'm no more convinced Purdy won't play vs. Bengals than I was CMac wouldn't at Vikings.
Purdy could be out of concussion protocol today, Friday, or Saturday. He also could not be out by Sunday and be unable to play, but I think given he didn't have any symptoms until well after the game, the odds are he will be out of protocol by Sunday. I do see the line dropped from -5.5 to -3.5 after the Purdy protocol news was reported. Will be interesting to see what happens if he is cleared.
As to symptoms developing later, I always go back to Joe Panik. Got hit on the head with a pitch. Seemed ok. Finished out. Even got the game winning hit. Developed concussion signs later. Missed about three weeks. Hard to tell when it’s a head injury issue.
RE: 2023 Niners thread - OutsiderFan - 10-28-2023
Well, in Purdy's case, it seems pretty obvious his concussion was mild. He didn't practice Wednesday. He had limited practice on Thursday. Then he had full practice on Friday. He has one more hurdle to clear, which I believe is getting his heart rate up then passing a cognitive test. That is expected to happen Saturday.
It's possible he won't pass the final step, but at this point it would be surprising if he didn't. The line is back to -5, so it seems the gamblers now believe Purdy will be cleared to play on Sunday.
RE: 2023 Niners thread - lex24 - 10-28-2023
OutsiderFan dateline='[url=tel:1698496434' Wrote: 1698496434[/url]']
Well, in Purdy's case, it seems pretty obvious his concussion was mild. He didn't practice Wednesday. He had limited practice on Thursday. Then he had full practice on Friday. He has one more hurdle to clear, which I believe is getting his heart rate up then passing a cognitive test. That is expected to happen Saturday.
It's possible he won't pass the final step, but at this point it would be surprising if he didn't. The line is back to -5, so it seems the gamblers now believe Purdy will be cleared to play on Sunday.
Is there such thing as a “mild” concussion?
RE: 2023 Niners thread - cardcrimson - 10-28-2023
(10-28-2023, 07:31 AM)lex24 Wrote: Is there such thing as a “mild” concussion?
Yes, yes there is. My daughter has had one. Hit in the head, minor symptoms following for only a day or so. Real doctor diagnosed, btw (if you call Kaiser doctors real). Know of teammates who were out for weeks, nausea, issues with lights and sounds, headaches, dizziness, etc etc etc.
RE: 2023 Niners thread - OutsiderFan - 10-28-2023
(10-28-2023, 07:31 AM)lex24 Wrote: Is there such thing as a “mild” concussion?
I suppose it depends. Like, how many have already been sustained, and the time between concussion events.
In Purdy's case, he is now more susceptible to another concussion than he was before the one he just had, so in that context, no concussion is mild. But as far as physical effects, the types and degree can vary quite a bit.
RE: 2023 Niners thread - lex24 - 10-28-2023
Purdy cleared. Sunday is not a must win game. But it’s pretty damn important. 49ers have been dominated two straight games. The final score has not reflected how badly they were out played.
Cincinnati with Burrow is a dangerous team. So it should be interesting. Focus will be on Purdy. Always the QB. Personally, the line play will be the more important gauge. They’ve got the sh-t kicked out of them two weeks in a row on both sides of the ball. If that doesn’t change, I really don’t care what Purdy does. They will lose.
They missed Deebo last week. If I’m Shanahan, I play McCaffrey a little bit more in the slot or even out wide. I use him on the type of jet sweeps and bubble screens that they throw to Deebo. And ans a decoy on jet sweep action. Perhaps split him out at times. Id like to see McCaffrey get the ball more in space and run a little less up the gut. He’s a very good inside runner. But they are getting absolutely no push. And he’s been a little under utilized as a receiver so far this year.
Defensively – it’s time for the front to put up or shut up. I heard Tim Ryan before the Minnesota game talking. I happened to be driving. I don’t usually listen to pregame stuff. He mentioned they do a lot of stunts and play a lot of games up front. His comment was he’d like to see a lot less of that - cause they have the talent simply to beat their man straight up.
Wilks is on the hot seat. But perhaps some thought need to be given to why they hired him in the first place. He’s known to be a guy who runs his defense from back to front. Specializing in defensive backs. And also somebody who likes to blitz. Both Saleh and Ryans ran their defense from front to back. Relying more on the front seven. Didn’t blitz a whole lot.
Personnel wise, the 49ers are weakest in the defensive backfield. Both their safeties are relatively slow. Hufunga is excellent against the run, and he can make some plays. Ditto Gipson. But they lack speed. They don’t have a good slot defensive back. Oliver ain’t Jimmy Ward.
So it’s crucial to get pressure on the quarterback. If Burrow has time, he will slice them to ribbons.
If the Niner Defense gets whipped going into a bye week, then I think there is some possibility Wilks gets fired. Tough thing to do in the middle of the season. But this defense is badly under performing.
Any expectation for this team is super bowl or bust. If they go into the bye 5-3, they’ll find themselves and scrambling for the division. Not what they expected to be doing.
RE: 2023 Niners thread - OutsiderFan - 10-29-2023
The Niners are a Rorschach test for their fans.
We are in trouble:
- 2 losses in a row, only 17 PPG after scoring 30+ for 12 straight
- Purdy being exposed
- FG kicker is proving he was a waste of a 3rd rd pick
- Wilks is ruining defense
- We could go into by 5-3 with three losses in a row - start firing people!
We are fine:
- At this time last year had a 3-4 record, then ripped off 10 straight wins
- Purdy is still the #1 most efficient passer in the NFL
- Moody hasn't missed an XP and is 11/14 FG, with no miss under 41 yards, and 2/3 50+
- Give Wilks a little more time to figure things out
- We could go into bye week 6-2, feeling really good
This is honestly the first game this season I have not been confident Niners would win. But I think this is more to do with the fact they have lost 2 in a row and not played well in those games more than it is about the team not being as good as expected.
I have no freaking idea what to believe about the Bengals game. The Niners could lay another egg. Both teams could struggle, or the Bengals could be the egg-laying team today. It's the NFL 2023 and anything can happen. Betting on these games is certifiably insane.
RE: 2023 Niners thread - Mick - 10-29-2023
In 1981, the 49ers were 5-2 after seven games. Same as in 1988. Same as in 1994. Those three seasons turned out with Super Bowl victories.
No other Kyle Shanahan team has started out that well except the 2019 Super Bowl team. Shanahan's teams start out pretty slowly.
The last 49er team that started 5-2 was Harbaugh's 2013 team, the team that lost the NFC championship game in Seattle.
To your points:
1) Since the preseason, I haven't been sold on Jake Moody. Something's wrong there. He was much, much better at Michigan, which is not a forgiving environment for kickers. But his FG and XP kicks look off, they curl a lot. They're not very straight. And his kickoffs are getting returned a lot and he leads the NFL in out-of-bounds kickoffs with two. That's two too many. That's a real issue.
2) I think Steve Wilks is an issue. I don't think he understands what he has or understands the preferred defense or uses it well. I'm not convinced he's a great DB coach, either. If the 49ers don't turn it around on defense, Wilks is likeliy to be here another year, rather than using this as the stepping stone to a head coaching position.
3) I'm not too worried about Brock Purdy. 10 wins in a row wasn't a fluke. I thought he did well against Minnesota until his concussion.
4) The Browns are an excellent team, they have the best WR trio in the NFL, and Burrow's calf issues are largely behind him. I anticipate he will have a big day.
5) Outside of the sacks, Bosa is having a good season (TFL, pressures, etc.). The rest of the DL is not playing up to snuff. Once again, Drake Jackson has disappeared.
6) The Browns are five point underdogs, but they have an extra day of rest.
7) Interesting wild card: The referee is Ron Torbert. His referee crew throw a lot of flags. They are very active. The 49ers are the third most penalized team, but have benefitted with the second most penalties...and the way opposing teams headhunt the 49er stars, it doesn't surprise me. Cincinnati has had the fewest flags thrown against them, but has also benefitted from the fewest flags (yes, I know they've played one fewer game than most teams).
8) Bengals are middle of the pack in the NFL in passing defense (they have the third most INTs), but are third worst in rushing defense. I suspect CMac will have a big day.
9) Bengals are good on special teams. They have weak punt coverage, but are solid on kickoff coverage (high percentage of touchbacks), net punting and kick returns.
I think the 49ers will be 6-2 after this game. I think Purdy will have a good game, and that there will be at least three timely penalties called on the Bengals.
RE: 2023 Niners thread - cardcrimson - 10-29-2023
Thus far. Same Niner defense. Getting blown off the ball on running plays, little pressure on passing plays (except the play where four guys missed Burrow).
Purdy looks sharp thus far . . . .O line looking mediocre.
RE: 2023 Niners thread - lex24 - 10-29-2023
Not a very good football team right now. Wilks has to go. They have been too much talent on defense to be this bad. One three and out in two weeks.
Both lines getting shredded. Too many mistakes. Just not very good. Bye week to regroup. Hopefully with a new DC.
Last 2 weeks:
Cousins 35-45 378
Burrow. 28-32 283.
Hopefully Niners can pick up a defensive back. Badly needed.
RE: 2023 Niners thread - cardcrimson - 10-29-2023
(10-29-2023, 04:10 PM)lex24 Wrote: Not a very good football team right now. Wilks has to go. They have been too much talent on defense to be this bad. One three and out in two weeks.
Both lines getting shredded. Too many mistakes. Just not very good. Bye week to regroup. Hopefully with a new DC.
Don't like big changes mid-season. But, this is a disaster. The touted D is pathetic. A change is needed.
As for all the comments preseason about how great this team was and that the loss of draft capital the last few years made no difference, some warned about the O line, especially it's lack of depth. Sadly, that is clearly evident now.
RE: 2023 Niners thread - Mick - 10-29-2023
I don't understand the complete negative turnaround on both sides of the ball. What happened?
RE: 2023 Niners thread - lex24 - 10-29-2023
Mick dateline='[url=tel:1698623323' Wrote: 1698623323[/url]']
I don't understand the complete negative turnaround on both sides of the ball. What happened?
The o line was always a bit of a ? coming into the season. Williams getting hurt was a very big hit. He’s their most indispensable player imo.
D line, imo, hasn’t played close to its reputation all year. They did stop the run early. But the pass rush hasn’t been there.
They didn’t tackle well today either. That’s surprising.
To me, they are on their heels defensively. Reacting. Not attacking.
RE: 2023 Niners thread - OutsiderFan - 10-30-2023
It seems to me Kyle Shanahan is getting outreached now, on both sides of the ball. He may not be the DC, but he's the Head Coach, and he - as he said - is ultimately responsible.
I'm tired of seeing Kyle Juszcyzk and Charlie Woerner. They are playing way too much and neither is a threat as a receiver. Jus has 6 catches in 8 games for 39 yds. Woerner has 0. It's time to play the rookie TE Brayden Willis. He might not be the blocker Werner is, but he is a much greater passing threat and just having him on the field will force defenses to defend him rather than completely ignore him as a pass threat when he's on the field. Kittle as the only pass receiving TE threat is not good enough. Also need to go with more 4 WR sets (could be Kittle plate wide) that stretch the field, and I want to see Ronnie Bell, because Danny Gray doesn't appear to be someone who is ever going to do anything.
Purdy leads the NFL in 9.1 YPA, and is the #2 rated QB. He can create big plays in the pass game. He's just not getting enough opportunities because Shanahan is putting him in too many obvious passing situations by running too much in predictable ways on early downs. CMac is the NFL's leading rusher, but the OL are not road graters who can overpower defenses designed to stop him. They need to use him as a decoy in run game more to open up passing game until teams fail back their focus on him a bit.
The most productive the offense was agains the Bengals? When Purdy threw 3 straight play-action passes on first down. They worked because the Bengals were hell bent on stopping the run on first down. The same thing applies in short yardage. A 2nd and 1 is the perfect play-action passing down. But first drive of game, run for 9 yards. Then it's two runs for no gain because the Bengals expected it. Kyle needs to self-scout himself a lot more than he apparently is.
The Defense, I have no answers. It felt like Wilks was being clowned in the first half once again. The Burrow run up the middle with nobody in the middle of the field on defense was just embarrassing. Was like UW's defense when Daniels ran in untouched with nobody in front of him. Niners haven't forced a punt in the last two first halves.
Where was Randy Gregory yesterday? They seemed to have - now fair to call a bust - Drake Jackson playing ahead of him. The Niners are 0-3 with Gregory, BTW.
RE: 2023 Niners thread - lex24 - 10-30-2023
OutsiderFan dateline='[url=tel:1698670930' Wrote: 1698670930[/url]']
It seems to me Kyle Shanahan is getting outreached now, on both sides of the ball. He may not be the DC, but he's the Head Coach, and he - as he said - is ultimately responsible.
I'm tired of seeing Kyle Juszcyzk and Charlie Woerner. They are playing way too much and neither is a threat as a receiver. Jus has 6 catches in 8 games for 39 yds. Woerner has 0. It's time to play the rookie TE Brayden Willis. He might not be the blocker Werner is, but he is a much greater passing threat and just having him on the field will force defenses to defend him rather than completely ignore him as a pass threat when he's on the field. Kittle as the only pass receiving TE threat is not good enough. Also need to go with more 4 WR sets (could be Kittle plate wide) that stretch the field, and I want to see Ronnie Bell, because Danny Gray doesn't appear to be someone who is ever going to do anything.
Purdy leads the NFL in 9.1 YPA, and is the #2 rated QB. He can create big plays in the pass game. He's just not getting enough opportunities because Shanahan is putting him in too many obvious passing situations by running too much in predictable ways on early downs. CMac is the NFL's leading rusher, but the OL are not road graters who can overpower defenses designed to stop him. They need to use him as a decoy in run game more to open up passing game until teams fail back their focus on him a bit.
The most productive the offense was agains the Bengals? When Purdy threw 3 straight play-action passes on first down. They worked because the Bengals were hell bent on stopping the run on first down. The same thing applies in short yardage. A 2nd and 1 is the perfect play-action passing down. But first drive of game, run for 9 yards. Then it's two runs for no gain because the Bengals expected it. Kyle needs to self-scout himself a lot more than he apparently is.
The Defense, I have no answers. It felt like Wilks was being clowned in the first half once again. The Burrow run up the middle with nobody in the middle of the field on defense was just embarrassing. Was like UW's defense when Daniels ran in untouched with nobody in front of him. Niners haven't forced a punt in the last two first halves.
Where was Randy Gregory yesterday? They seemed to have - now fair to call a bust - Drake Jackson playing ahead of him. The Niners are 0-3 with Gregory, BTW.
Predictable. It’s always Shanahans fault when they lose. Perhaps you should apply for the OC job. By the way - they passed on something like 15 of 21 first down plays.
RE: 2023 Niners thread - OutsiderFan - 10-30-2023
(10-30-2023, 06:19 AM)lex24 Wrote:OutsiderFan dateline='[url=tel:1698670930' Wrote: 1698670930[/url]']
It seems to me Kyle Shanahan is getting outreached now, on both sides of the ball. He may not be the DC, but he's the Head Coach, and he - as he said - is ultimately responsible.
I'm tired of seeing Kyle Juszcyzk and Charlie Woerner. They are playing way too much and neither is a threat as a receiver. Jus has 6 catches in 8 games for 39 yds. Woerner has 0. It's time to play the rookie TE Brayden Willis. He might not be the blocker Werner is, but he is a much greater passing threat and just having him on the field will force defenses to defend him rather than completely ignore him as a pass threat when he's on the field. Kittle as the only pass receiving TE threat is not good enough. Also need to go with more 4 WR sets (could be Kittle plate wide) that stretch the field, and I want to see Ronnie Bell, because Danny Gray doesn't appear to be someone who is ever going to do anything.
Purdy leads the NFL in 9.1 YPA, and is the #2 rated QB. He can create big plays in the pass game. He's just not getting enough opportunities because Shanahan is putting him in too many obvious passing situations by running too much in predictable ways on early downs. CMac is the NFL's leading rusher, but the OL are not road graters who can overpower defenses designed to stop him. They need to use him as a decoy in run game more to open up passing game until teams fail back their focus on him a bit.
The most productive the offense was agains the Bengals? When Purdy threw 3 straight play-action passes on first down. They worked because the Bengals were hell bent on stopping the run on first down. The same thing applies in short yardage. A 2nd and 1 is the perfect play-action passing down. But first drive of game, run for 9 yards. Then it's two runs for no gain because the Bengals expected it. Kyle needs to self-scout himself a lot more than he apparently is.
The Defense, I have no answers. It felt like Wilks was being clowned in the first half once again. The Burrow run up the middle with nobody in the middle of the field on defense was just embarrassing. Was like UW's defense when Daniels ran in untouched with nobody in front of him. Niners haven't forced a punt in the last two first halves.
Where was Randy Gregory yesterday? They seemed to have - now fair to call a bust - Drake Jackson playing ahead of him. The Niners are 0-3 with Gregory, BTW.
Predictable. It’s always Shanahans fault when they lose. Perhaps you should apply for the OC job. By the way - they passed on something like 15 of 21 first down plays.
Dude, the Head Coach is responsible for everything. He says he is, but you take exception that? I didn't have anything to say about Shanahan after the first 2 losses in their streak. But the Bengals game demonstrated the same issues over three weeks. Are you here to say Kyle Shanahan isn't responsible?
The Niners have been talking about how they are Super Bowl contenders, but do you see a team that looks like one the last three weeks? The NFL talent evaluators have said they have one of the top 3-4 most talented rosters in the NFL. They are paying top dollar at several positions. This isn't Stanford, where you just want to be competitive and show progress. The San Francisco 49ers this year are suppose to be great on both sides of the ball. The last three weeks they have been terrible on both sides of the ball. I'm not calling for Shanahan's head. I called for the DC's head last week, but who else is responsible for the last 3 weeks of putrid performances than Kyle Shanahan?
And why do you get so upset at people making suggestions for improvement?