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RE: Giants/Niners 2022 thread - BostonCard - 02-25-2022
Do or die time in MLB. If no agreement by Monday, opening day will be delayed. Anyone want to bet on whether they will get it done? (Narrator: they will not)
Leave it to MLB to cut its nose off to spite its face.
BC
RE: Giants/Niners 2022 thread - lex24 - 02-25-2022
(02-25-2022, 02:50 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Do or die time in MLB. If no agreement by Monday, opening day will be delayed. Anyone want to bet on whether they will get it done? (Narrator: they will not)
Leave it to MLB to cut its nose off to spite its face.
BC
Idiots, all. But I’m a sucker, so I’ll be back. Casual fans won’t be. I hope they get hurt financially. Badly. They deserve it.
RE: Giants/Niners 2022 thread - cardcrimson - 02-26-2022
(02-25-2022, 09:24 PM)lex24 Wrote:(02-25-2022, 02:50 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Do or die time in MLB. If no agreement by Monday, opening day will be delayed. Anyone want to bet on whether they will get it done? (Narrator: they will not)
Leave it to MLB to cut its nose off to spite its face.
BC
Idiots, all. But I’m a sucker, so I’ll be back. Casual fans won’t be. I hope they get hurt financially. Badly. They deserve it.
One thing I've learned from the pandemic, is that I don't need professional sports. My interest and viewership has dropped significantly, same for college sports. The constant chase for dollars makes it less interesting, as well.
RE: Giants/Niners 2022 thread - Phogge - 02-26-2022
I’ve spent my career getting into sports events and other venues for free. I did buy Stanford season tix for years. I have DISH so I actually pay a bit for TV sports as part of my package. My way to protest is to never buy a ticket again. There is so much else to do with my time.
If you don’t like what’s going on just stop supporting the bastards and don’t pay to see a professional event.
RE: Giants/Niners 2022 thread - Mick - 02-26-2022
To Niner news
1. Even though they've traded multiple first round selections, they're quietly stockpiling picks. They have nine picks this year and eight picks next year, and that's before they trade the NFL's #9 ranked QB.* They lack a first round selection, but have one each in rounds two through six, and three seventh round selections. Garoppolo will bring (my guess) a fourth round selection this year and a third rounder next year. That's assuming no other players are involved in the trade. And if the Niners lose more coaches and/or more players, they'll pick up more picks:
https://www.ninersnation.com/2022/2/25/22940010/san-francisco-49ers-nfl-draft-kyle-shanahan-john-lynch-jimmy-garoppolo
2. Daniel Jeremiah thinks the draft is so deep with starters that it doesn't matter that the Niners don't have a first round pick:
https://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2022/02/25/nfl-draft-analyst-daniel-jeremiah-2022-49ers/
3. QB Coach Rich Scangarello leaves for Kentucky as their new OC.
https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/156481-rich-scangarello-leaving-49ers-kentuckys-offensive-coordinator/
4. John Lynch turned down a broadcasting job. This time.
https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/156475-amazon-held-talks-49ers-lynch-about-broadcasting-report/
* As measured by quarterback rating
RE: Giants/Niners 2022 thread - Giants - 02-26-2022
LibertyMedia indirectly owns the Atlanta Braves. Therefore, the Braves’ financials are publicly disclosed.
Liberty just published their 2021 results. They completely skewer any notion that baseball is a poor investment and/or that ownership’s bargaining position is based on financial fact.
Scroll down to Braves Group and Braves Operating Results for the numbers….
https://www.libertymedia.com/investors/news-events/press-releases/detail/461/liberty-media-corporation-reports-fourth-quarter-and-year
RE: Giants/Niners 2022 thread - lex24 - 02-26-2022
(02-26-2022, 10:38 AM)Mick Wrote: To Niner news
1. Even though they've traded multiple first round selections, they're quietly stockpiling picks. They have nine picks this year and eight picks next year, and that's before they trade the NFL's #9 ranked QB.* They lack a first round selection, but have one each in rounds two through six, and three seventh round selections. Garoppolo will bring (my guess) a fourth round selection this year and a third rounder next year. That's assuming no other players are involved in the trade. And if the Niners lose more coaches and/or more players, they'll pick up more picks:
https://www.ninersnation.com/2022/2/25/22940010/san-francisco-49ers-nfl-draft-kyle-shanahan-john-lynch-jimmy-garoppolo
2. Daniel Jeremiah thinks the draft is so deep with starters that it doesn't matter that the Niners don't have a first round pick:
https://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2022/02/25/nfl-draft-analyst-daniel-jeremiah-2022-49ers/
3. QB Coach Rich Scangarello leaves for Kentucky as their new OC.
https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/156481-rich-scangarello-leaving-49ers-kentuckys-offensive-coordinator/
4. John Lynch turned down a broadcasting job. This time.
https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/156475-amazon-held-talks-49ers-lynch-about-broadcasting-report/
* As measured by quarterback rating
QB ratings are misleading. Off the top of my head and in no particular order
Rodgers
Stafford
Murray
Wilson
Prescott
Cousins (close)
Carr
Mahomes
Allen
Burrows
Jackson
Ryan
Herbert
Tannehill
That doesn’t take into account the young QB’s. like Lawrence, Fields, Wilson, Jones, Tua.
(02-26-2022, 11:08 AM)Giants Wrote: LibertyMedia indirectly owns the Atlanta Braves. Therefore, the Braves’ financials are publicly disclosed.
Liberty just published their 2021 results. They completely skewer any notion that baseball is a poor investment and/or that ownership’s bargaining position is based on financial fact.
Scroll down to Braves Group and Braves Operating Results for the numbers….
https://www.libertymedia.com/investors/news-events/press-releases/detail/461/liberty-media-corporation-reports-fourth-quarter-and-year
Not sure who said Baseball ownership is a poor investment. Professional Sports franchises are incredibly valuable.
This whole thing is about leverage. In the end, the owners have a big advantage.
RE: Giants/Niners 2022 thread - DC 86 - 02-26-2022
(02-26-2022, 11:26 AM)lex24 Wrote: Not sure who said Baseball ownership is a poor investment. Professional Sports franchises are incredibly valuable.
It's Rob Manfred who keeps saying this, specifically citing a recent supposed study by investment bankers.
https://sports.yahoo.com/the-lie-that-encapsulates-the-lockout-rob-manfred-says-mlb-teams-are-bad-investments-160109626.html
RE: Giants/Niners 2022 thread - Mick - 02-26-2022
(02-26-2022, 11:26 AM)lex24 Wrote:(02-26-2022, 10:38 AM)Mick Wrote: To Niner news
1. Even though they've traded multiple first round selections, they're quietly stockpiling picks. They have nine picks this year and eight picks next year, and that's before they trade the NFL's #9 ranked QB.* They lack a first round selection, but have one each in rounds two through six, and three seventh round selections. Garoppolo will bring (my guess) a fourth round selection this year and a third rounder next year. That's assuming no other players are involved in the trade. And if the Niners lose more coaches and/or more players, they'll pick up more picks:
https://www.ninersnation.com/2022/2/25/22940010/san-francisco-49ers-nfl-draft-kyle-shanahan-john-lynch-jimmy-garoppolo
2. Daniel Jeremiah thinks the draft is so deep with starters that it doesn't matter that the Niners don't have a first round pick:
https://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2022/02/25/nfl-draft-analyst-daniel-jeremiah-2022-49ers/
3. QB Coach Rich Scangarello leaves for Kentucky as their new OC.
https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/156481-rich-scangarello-leaving-49ers-kentuckys-offensive-coordinator/
4. John Lynch turned down a broadcasting job. This time.
https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/156475-amazon-held-talks-49ers-lynch-about-broadcasting-report/
* As measured by quarterback rating
QB ratings are misleading. Off the top of my head and in no particular order
Rodgers
Stafford
Murray
Wilson
Prescott
Cousins (close)
Carr
Mahomes
Allen
Burrows
Jackson
Ryan
Herbert
Tannehill
That doesn’t take into account the young QB’s. like Lawrence, Fields, Wilson, Jones, Tua
Those are...?
RE: Giants/Niners 2022 thread - lex24 - 02-26-2022
(02-26-2022, 01:42 PM)Mick Wrote:(02-26-2022, 11:26 AM)lex24 Wrote:(02-26-2022, 10:38 AM)Mick Wrote: To Niner news
1. Even though they've traded multiple first round selections, they're quietly stockpiling picks. They have nine picks this year and eight picks next year, and that's before they trade the NFL's #9 ranked QB.* They lack a first round selection, but have one each in rounds two through six, and three seventh round selections. Garoppolo will bring (my guess) a fourth round selection this year and a third rounder next year. That's assuming no other players are involved in the trade. And if the Niners lose more coaches and/or more players, they'll pick up more picks:
https://www.ninersnation.com/2022/2/25/22940010/san-francisco-49ers-nfl-draft-kyle-shanahan-john-lynch-jimmy-garoppolo
2. Daniel Jeremiah thinks the draft is so deep with starters that it doesn't matter that the Niners don't have a first round pick:
https://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2022/02/25/nfl-draft-analyst-daniel-jeremiah-2022-49ers/
3. QB Coach Rich Scangarello leaves for Kentucky as their new OC.
https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/156481-rich-scangarello-leaving-49ers-kentuckys-offensive-coordinator/
4. John Lynch turned down a broadcasting job. This time.
https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/156475-amazon-held-talks-49ers-lynch-about-broadcasting-report/
* As measured by quarterback rating
QB ratings are misleading. Off the top of my head and in no particular order
Rodgers
Stafford
Murray
Wilson
Prescott
Cousins (close)
Carr
Mahomes
Allen
Burrows
Jackson
Ryan
Herbert
Tannehill
That doesn’t take into account the young QB’s. like Lawrence, Fields, Wilson, Jones, Tua
Those are...?
Better than Garrapolo.
(02-26-2022, 01:32 PM)DC 86 Wrote:.(02-26-2022, 11:26 AM)lex24 Wrote: Not sure who said Baseball ownership is a poor investment. Professional Sports franchises are incredibly valuable.
It's Rob Manfred who keeps saying this, specifically citing a recent supposed study by investment bankers.
https://sports.yahoo.com/the-lie-that-encapsulates-the-lockout-rob-manfred-says-mlb-teams-are-bad-investments-160109626.html
Think about that for a second - the Commissioner of a sport saying his product is a bad investment. I realize it’s pure bullish-t. But still. No one believes anything that clown utters anyway. Worst Commissioner since Bowie Kuhn.
As an example, Johnson et al bought the Giants in ‘93 for 100 Million. Obviously building* the park was a major expenditure. But still - today they are valued at 3.1 Billion. According to one source, Giants were worth 335 Million in 2002. Pretty decent jump in 20 years. By contrast, I used a historical stock calculator. 335 million in ‘02 invested in market brings 1.6 Billion.
RE: Giants/Niners 2022 thread - DC 86 - 02-26-2022
(02-26-2022, 02:23 PM)lex24 Wrote:(02-26-2022, 01:32 PM)DC 86 Wrote:.(02-26-2022, 11:26 AM)lex24 Wrote: Not sure who said Baseball ownership is a poor investment. Professional Sports franchises are incredibly valuable.
It's Rob Manfred who keeps saying this, specifically citing a recent supposed study by investment bankers.
https://sports.yahoo.com/the-lie-that-encapsulates-the-lockout-rob-manfred-says-mlb-teams-are-bad-investments-160109626.html
Think about that for a second - the Commissioner of a sport saying his product is a bad investment. I realize it’s pure bullish-t. But still. No one believes anything that clown utters anyway. Worst Commissioner since Bowie Kuhn.
As an example, Johnson et al bought the Giants in ‘93 for 100 Million. Obviously building* the park was a major expenditure. But still - today they are valued at 3.1 Billion. According to one source, Giants were worth 335 Million in 2002. Pretty decent jump in 20 years. By contrast, I used a historical stock calculator. 335 million in ‘02 invested in market brings 1.6 Billion.
There is no shortage of bidders whenever a franchise comes up for sale or when there's been expansion. In fact, sale prices have consistently exceeded the Forbes estimates.
It's just insulting to our intelligence for Manfred to continue to insist that owners are suffering and that a baseball franchise is a poor investment.
RE: Giants/Niners 2022 thread - lex24 - 02-26-2022
(02-26-2022, 04:59 PM)DC 86 Wrote:(02-26-2022, 02:23 PM)lex24 Wrote:(02-26-2022, 01:32 PM)DC 86 Wrote:.(02-26-2022, 11:26 AM)lex24 Wrote: Not sure who said Baseball ownership is a poor investment. Professional Sports franchises are incredibly valuable.
It's Rob Manfred who keeps saying this, specifically citing a recent supposed study by investment bankers.
https://sports.yahoo.com/the-lie-that-encapsulates-the-lockout-rob-manfred-says-mlb-teams-are-bad-investments-160109626.html
Think about that for a second - the Commissioner of a sport saying his product is a bad investment. I realize it’s pure bullish-t. But still. No one believes anything that clown utters anyway. Worst Commissioner since Bowie Kuhn.
As an example, Johnson et al bought the Giants in ‘93 for 100 Million. Obviously building* the park was a major expenditure. But still - today they are valued at 3.1 Billion. According to one source, Giants were worth 335 Million in 2002. Pretty decent jump in 20 years. By contrast, I used a historical stock calculator. 335 million in ‘02 invested in market brings 1.6 Billion.
There is no shortage of bidders whenever a franchise comes up for sale or when there's been expansion. In fact, sale prices have consistently exceeded the Forbes estimates.
It's just insulting to our intelligence for Manfred to continue to insist that owners are suffering and that a baseball franchise is a poor investment.
Manfred is insulting to the intelligence. Period.
RE: Giants/Niners 2022 thread - UltimateCard - 02-27-2022
Since Manfred was mentioned, thought this was best place to post this: MLB lockout impacts the Edman family
RE: Giants/Niners 2022 thread - Giants - 02-28-2022
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33362477/inside-self-inflicted-crisis-boiling-mlb-lockout-deadline-arrives
Ain’t it the truth….
RE: Giants/Niners 2022 thread - lex24 - 03-01-2022
(02-28-2022, 02:28 PM)Giants Wrote: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33362477/inside-self-inflicted-crisis-boiling-mlb-lockout-deadline-arrives
Ain’t it the truth….
Talks break down. Games canceled. My guess is that this will last awhile. Maybe by June 1 games will start. I hope they all lose a sh-t load of money.
RE: Giants/Niners 2022 thread - BostonCard - 03-01-2022
Burn it all down.
BC
RE: Giants/Niners 2022 thread - teejers1 - 03-01-2022
(03-01-2022, 10:25 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Burn it all down.
BC
The owners are 90%+ at fault. They're a despicable, particularly money-hungry bunch.
If MLB went down in flames and the owners all lost their shirts, I'd be perfectly happy. The downside is all the collateral damage - players and workers employed in all industries associated with spring training through the World Series. That's a lot of damage.
BTW, I heard a commentator on sports radio the other night theorize that Analytics has teams watching things to the fifteenth decimal and that mindset has spilled over into CBA negotiations. It's like teams bring in a series of no-names because "the numbers demand it," and who cares if the fans ever identify with or get to know and support the revolving door of jersey-wearers. The point generally being that MLB owners are penny-mise and pound foolish.
All I know is the game is losing fans and in important demographics (which is not mine). But they've lost me, too.
RE: Giants/Niners 2022 thread - Phogge - 03-01-2022
It's a great game to watch and a great game to play. When it comes back however it will mean a little less to me. I'd like to see a Pat Tillman emerge and publicly flip off the baseball oligarchs and take up arms in the Ukraine.
The lemming fans will come back and buy tickets. Shame on them.
RE: Giants/Niners 2022 thread - lex24 - 03-02-2022
(03-01-2022, 10:55 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(03-01-2022, 10:25 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Burn it all down.
BC
The owners are 90%+ at fault. They're a despicable, particularly money-hungry bunch.
If MLB went down in flames and the owners all lost their shirts, I'd be perfectly happy. The downside is all the collateral damage - players and workers employed in all industries associated with spring training through the World Series. That's a lot of damage.
BTW, I heard a commentator on sports radio the other night theorize that Analytics has teams watching things to the fifteenth decimal and that mindset has spilled over into CBA negotiations. It's like teams bring in a series of no-names because "the numbers demand it," and who cares if the fans ever identify with or get to know and support the revolving door of jersey-wearers. The point generally being that MLB owners are penny-mise and pound foolish.
All I know is the game is losing fans and in important demographics (which is not mine). But they've lost me, too.
No question analytics play a role. Teams can bring in a young player at the minimum instead of resigning or signing a veteran at a higher salary. Cause there will only be a small difference in WAR. If any. So players don’t get rewarded as they did in the past.
I’m one of those lemmings Phogge talks about. I’ll be back. Giants have been there for me for nearly 60 years. Not going to let these bozos ruin that.
RE: Giants/Niners 2022 thread - BobK - 03-02-2022
I’ll be back also. But right now highly pissed.