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RE: End of Pac12? - Goose - 07-11-2022
(07-11-2022, 11:50 AM)CTcard Wrote: The only reason that Big 12 seems a tad more stable is that none of its soon to be members have anywhere else to go whereas several Pac 10 teams would like to think they do.Indeed! I think all the PAC-10 remaining members need to take a breath. I also think they need to heed Colin Powell - "It ain't as bad as you think. It will look better in the morning." The situation isn't simple, and it would be very easy to do something irrecoverable that will cause regret very soon.
RE: End of Pac12? - BigJohn043 - 07-11-2022
(07-11-2022, 11:50 AM)CTcard Wrote:(07-11-2022, 10:28 AM)Beeg_Dawg Wrote: Ouch
Just read this article. If this is what P12 is hanging its hat own, it will be totally gone in 3 years. Pretty lame.....
https://www.heartlandcollegesports.com/2022/07/10/pac-12-using-ucf-cincinnati-byu-houston-against-big-12-in-negotiations/?fbclid=IwAR22t5VISs_VwQL_XKWbLlMDXqt0c3Olrj6Gqm5HsLO3LlSoK9owTwPQKBI
As a conference, P12 has not had much to cheer about for the last few years. I didn't realize there is so much contempt for the P12.
This is typical of what I've been reading.
"PAC 12? I would take those 4 new guys any day and twice on Sunday. PAC 12 schools should consider fielding lingerie teams to improve their relevance."
The last 20 years has been one hell of a ride, but I think this will be our last year. Time to move on and find a new hobby. :(
Why would you put any stock into a micro-site Big 12 blog post?
Or random defensive posts by Big 12 fans?
Nevertheless, it makes sense that the point of that article is roughly true. Of course the Pac 10 would be finding a way to make a case for its position versus competitors, particularly the Big 12.
The idea that the remaining Pac 10 is higher profile than the rump Big 12 is hardly going out on a ledge.
Arizona, Arizona State, California, Colorado, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Utah, Washington, Washington State
vs.
Baylor, BYU, Central Florida, Cincinatti, Houston, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech, West Virginia.
Of course the Pac 10 could easily collapse further as remaining members panic. The only reason that Big 12 seems a tad more stable is that none of its soon to be members have anywhere else to go whereas several Pac 10 teams would like to think they do.
Look at the two conferences:
P10 has the best school(s) in WA, OR, AZ, CO, NoCA and maybe UT (BYU is strong)
B12:
B12 has the best school(s) in Kansas and WV
BYU is probably on par with Utah
4 schools (TCU, Baylor, TT, Houston) in TX, but clearly secondary schools behind UT & TAMU
OSU doesn't matter versus OU
UCF really doesn't matter versus FSU, UF & Miami
ISU doesn't matter versus Iowa
Cinn doesn't matter versus OSU
It is easy to come to the conclusion that from a raw media perspective the P10 is a lot more attractive. This is backed up by the idea that the money the B12 floated in front of the P10 schools wasn't that interesting....
RE: End of Pac12? - OutsiderFan - 07-11-2022
As all this goes on, don't lose sight of this fact:
There are people who think the athletes shouldn't get paid to play. They could have no better argument to be paid than the latest conference alignment arms races for more football revenue.
I hope when the dust settles, the players say they won't play for the super leagues unless and until they get paid out of all the TV money like the NFL players do. NIL is not even remotely close to enough if the players still are getting none of the money the schools themselves are raking in on their backs.
RE: End of Pac12? - BostonCard - 07-11-2022
https://theathletic.com/3410274/2022/07/08/college-football-realignment-tv-viewers/
Interesting analysis from The Athletic, looking at which teams drive viewership. Excluding teams in the SEC (including Texas and Oklahoma) and Big-Ten (including USC and UCLA) and Notre Dame, it looks at the 284 games that drew more than a million viewers between 2015 and 2019. Clemson and Florida State are the top two, but the next two teams are Washington and Oregon, followed by Miami and then, in a bit of a surprise, WSU. The top Big-12 team, Oklahoma St., is tied with the fourth biggest draw in the PAC-12, Utah. Stanford is next, though my guess is that most of the million viewers games came in 2015-2017 (the McCaffrey and Love years).
Still, by and large, PAC-12 teams tend to draw million viewers at a higher clip than Big-12 teams.
BC
RE: End of Pac12? - Giants - 07-11-2022
(07-11-2022, 12:12 PM)Goose Wrote:(07-11-2022, 11:50 AM)CTcard Wrote: The only reason that Big 12 seems a tad more stable is that none of its soon to be members have anywhere else to go whereas several Pac 10 teams would like to think they do.Indeed! I think all the PAC-10 remaining members need to take a breath. I also think they need to heed Colin Powell - "It ain't as bad as you think. It will look better in the morning." The situation isn't simple, and it would be very easy to do something irrecoverable that will cause regret very soon.
Hey Goose, I just received my portfolio statement for June. If waiting until tomorrow will change the numbers, I’ll hold up on opening it. However, I am afraid Colin Powell might be wrong this time. Any advice?
RE: End of Pac12? - Goose - 07-11-2022
(07-11-2022, 01:25 PM)Giants Wrote:I could say wait long enough and some morning the updated numbers will be better. My advice, such as it is, begins with don't ask me for financial advice. I am certainly not qualified. However, I would venture a guess that selling all your investments and putting the proceeds into crypto is a bad idea. Upon further review, you might decide that where you have your money now is probably where it needs to be.(07-11-2022, 12:12 PM)Goose Wrote:(07-11-2022, 11:50 AM)CTcard Wrote: The only reason that Big 12 seems a tad more stable is that none of its soon to be members have anywhere else to go whereas several Pac 10 teams would like to think they do.Indeed! I think all the PAC-10 remaining members need to take a breath. I also think they need to heed Colin Powell - "It ain't as bad as you think. It will look better in the morning." The situation isn't simple, and it would be very easy to do something irrecoverable that will cause regret very soon.
Hey Goose, I just received my portfolio statement for June. If waiting until tomorrow will change the numbers, I’ll hold up on opening it. However, I am afraid Colin Powell might be wrong this time. Any advice?
RE: End of Pac12? - Giants - 07-11-2022
My rule of thumb - if you don’t understand it, avoid it. Crypto falls into that category…..
I think I‘ll just leave the report unopened until…. 2024? 2025?
RE: End of Pac12? - Spiny_Norman - 07-11-2022
A wild idea that might be worth considering - spin off the football program into a partially-owned corporation as suggested by this columnist re: UW football.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/husky-inc-the-uws-biggest-predicament-isnt-about-sports/
The players and coaches at Stanford Football Inc. would be employees. They would be accountable to the owners or a designated board for results, both financial and non-financial. The company would pay a fee to use the stadium and to license the university's trademarks. They would also pay an agreed percentage of revenues to help support the rest of the athletic program which would still be under university control.
Stanford Football Inc. would not be subject to NCAA rules but would be subject to the rules of whatever conference or other organization they belong to. And of course the players can still be students.
The world of college football is changing. It has outgrown the university. Time to consider another model.
RE: End of Pac12? - CowboyIndian - 07-11-2022
(07-11-2022, 12:50 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: I hope when the dust settles, the players say they won't play for the super leagues unless and until they get paid out of all the TV money like the NFL players do. NIL is not even remotely close to enough if the players still are getting none of the money the schools themselves are raking in on their backs.
And then what have you got? A second-rate, junior NFL. F that!
Nobody is forcing...or has ever forced guys to play college football. I can see lightening up on the bizarre NCAA rules a bunch but if a high school athlete doesn't like the football scholarship deal, then go to college without a full ride and work or don't work to pay for it. Alternatively... don't go at all. Simple.
RE: End of Pac12? - Softball Fan - 07-11-2022
(07-11-2022, 04:28 PM)CowboyIndian Wrote:(07-11-2022, 12:50 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: I hope when the dust settles, the players say they won't play for the super leagues unless and until they get paid out of all the TV money like the NFL players do. NIL is not even remotely close to enough if the players still are getting none of the money the schools themselves are raking in on their backs.
And then what have you got? A second-rate, junior NFL. F that!
Nobody is forcing...or has ever forced guys to play college football. I can see lightening up on the bizarre NCAA rules a bunch but if a high school athlete doesn't like the football scholarship deal, then go to college without a full ride and work or don't work to pay for it. Alternatively... don't go at all. Simple.
Yes, and to add on to that I suggested earlier in the thread to form minor leagues for kids who want to pursue a career in a sport. Let colleges focus on academics. As a college sports fan it would be a turnoff for players to constantly be fighting about how much football money they are going to get. A long time ago I lost interest in professional sports when I realized it was first and foremost a business.
RE: End of Pac12? - BigJohn043 - 07-11-2022
My summary of where this is all landing. And FWIW, I have found much of the commentary by sports people to be way too focused on who they perceive as valuable versus the facts.
- Every P5 AD that isn't in the B1G or SEC is freaked out. The financial divide is about to be brobdingnagian and this has implications for all of the sports programs.
- Clemson, FSU & maybe Miami are desperate to join the SEC (B1G much less likely) and my sense is the SEC would be interested. But the more I hear about it the more it seems they are stuck there until 2035. This is a brobdingnagian problem for these schools but there is not much they can do about it and ACC schools are likely off limits for 10 years.
- ND has some of the same issues although it is a bit less clear what exactly their contract says. But I think many are skeptical that they can really get out of the ACC either and join the B1G.
- The B12 would love to expand but they aren't that attractive. Why would they try to recruit some of the lesser schools in the P10 (UA, ASU, CO & Utah)? And I think media reports are pretty clear that payout per school likely goes down from the P10 to the B12. Looking at the B12 it is also clear it is full of a bunch of secondary teams and media markets.
- The B10 is probably open to further expansion but the only schools that gives them higher payouts per member in ND and they likely aren't or can't move. Given that U$C/UCLA were willing to go as a duo, why take less money to bring in UW or Stanford - in my mind their two most likely targets.
- But per #2 above, the ACC needs to do something. The schools are stuck but they need to get ready for 10 years from now. The best idea I have heard is some form of conference championship game with the P10. Maybe even do combined basketball and other sports tournaments. Get ESPN to pony up the money. Get a clear path to the playoff every year. The B12 is not the right partner per #4 above. Maybe even get the P10 to raid the 4 best B12 schools.
- The next most likely alternative is nothing really happens for 10 years until the ACC deal is up....
RE: End of Pac12? - Maple Leaf - 07-11-2022
(07-11-2022, 12:50 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: As all this goes on, don't lose sight of this fact:
There are people who think the athletes shouldn't get paid to play. They could have no better argument to be paid than the latest conference alignment arms races for more football revenue.
I hope when the dust settles, the players say they won't play for the super leagues unless and until they get paid out of all the TV money like the NFL players do. NIL is not even remotely close to enough if the players still are getting none of the money the schools themselves are raking in on their backs.
Add it the $$$ from playing in a bowl game, and better yet the playoffs for the national championship, just like the NFL post season. Oh and just for grins add to this chaos players skipping out on the bowl game and what that does to the TV money.
The way things are going I may only be interested in the games between the services academies, that is four games which means more free time for the sock drawer, shredding of old tax returns and painting the house.
RE: End of Pac12? - CTcard - 07-12-2022
I think BigJohn has a good summary.
To add a few comments ...
(07-11-2022, 05:30 PM)BigJohn043 Wrote: 2. Clemson, FSU & maybe Miami are desperate to join the SEC (B1G much less likely) and my sense is the SEC would be interested. But the more I hear about it the more it seems they are stuck there until 2035. This is a of immense proportions problem for these schools but there is not much they can do about it and ACC schools are likely off limits for 10 years.
Well, most every school in the ACC/PAC/(not so)Big12 is rather desperate to join the SEC and Big 10.
Clemson and FSU are the two ACC schools for whom this seems at least a possibility - Clemson moreso.
Miami is an interesting case. They have some cache, but they haven't won a lot since joining the ACC. Miami is a big city but I don't think the Hurricanes attract as many eyeballs there as the Gators/Seminoles. Miami's attendance has always been only okay.
(07-11-2022, 05:30 PM)BigJohn043 Wrote: 3. ND has some of the same issues although it is a bit less clear what exactly their contract says. But I think many are skeptical that they can really get out of the ACC either and join the B1G.
It's not clear to me how much of Notre Dame's current inaction is due to worry about breaking whatever contract they signed with the ACC versus still trying to hold on to independence in football. That independence really is prized by a log of und folks. Whether it is possible to maintain it or not depends upon how much it costs - and how important it is to them to maximize income.
(07-11-2022, 05:30 PM)BigJohn043 Wrote: 4. The B12 would love to expand but they aren't that attractive. Why would they try to recruit some of the lesser schools in the P10 (UA, ASU, CO & Utah)?
I think you had a small typo there. Didn't you mean something like, "Why would UA, ASU, CO, Utah want to go to the Big 12?"
I think it's pretty obvious why the Big 12 would want them.
However, I would also think that they would only go if they think the Pac 10 is about to collapse (with more defections), as it's hard to see the future Big 12 being a better home than the remaining Pac 10.
And of course the Big 12 will be expanding, back to 12 teams, by adding Cincinnati, Central Florida, Houston, BYU.
(07-11-2022, 05:30 PM)BigJohn043 Wrote: 5. The B10 is probably open to further expansion but the only schools that gives them higher payouts per member in ND and they likely aren't or can't move. Given that U$C/UCLA were willing to go as a duo, why take less money to bring in UW or Stanford - in my mind their two most likely targets.
Oregon vs UW is an interesting case. Oregon has been a better football and basketball team lately and of course has Nike money, but overall UW is a far better and bigger university in a much larger state and a much larger media market.
Stanford's potential value proposition is a much different beast and much ... softer. Hard to figure out if the appeal is real or not.
But overall, it's hard to see that the SEC/BIG10 would have any interest at all in other teams outside of about seven schools: Notre Dame, Clemson, FSU, Miami (maybe), UW, Oregon (maybe), Stanford (very maybe).
(07-11-2022, 05:30 PM)BigJohn043 Wrote: 6. But per #2 above, the ACC needs to do something. The schools are stuck but they need to get ready for 10 years from now. The best idea I have heard is some form of conference championship game with the P10. Maybe even do combined basketball and other sports tournaments. Get ESPN to pony up the money. Get a clear path to the playoff every year. The B12 is not the right partner per #4 above. Maybe even get the P10 to raid the 4 best B12 schools.
Well, they "need to do something" because they don't want to keep bringing in a lot less revenue that the SEC/BIG 10, but there is no point in being too specific about what they want to do in 10+ years. Way too many things will be different by that point.
Of course, the problem they face is that there isn't much available for them to do.
A partnership with the Pac 12 might help a little in negotiating a TV contract (I guess particularly for an ACC-PAC championship game), but it won't bring SEC dollars.
I don't see that bringing anything from the rump Big 12 helps anyone. Hard to even define the top four schools there (Kansas, WVU ... Iowa St, Texas Tech???). They would seem to offer more dilution that revenue.
Even for the ACC basketball doesn't offer all that much money, and combining with the Pac 12 would probably dilute their basketball revenue.
RE: End of Pac12? - OutsiderFan - 07-12-2022
[tweet]https://twitter.com/wilnerhotline/status/1546883763161923584[/tweet]
RE: End of Pac12? - Goose - 07-12-2022
(07-12-2022, 12:47 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: https://twitter.com/wilnerhotline/status/1546883763161923584"It ain't over til it's over". UCLA can liquidate it's entire athletic department debt with one full value year in the B1G, so it is said. Pretty big deal there, but I think it isn't true. OTOH, there are obvious down sides to Kal and the UC system. Who knows what happens here?
RE: End of Pac12? - OutsiderFan - 07-12-2022
(07-12-2022, 12:59 PM)Goose Wrote:(07-12-2022, 12:47 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: https://twitter.com/wilnerhotline/status/1546883763161923584"It ain't over til it's over". UCLA can liquidate it's entire athletic department debt with one full value year in the B1G, so it is said. Pretty big deal there, but I think it isn't true. OTOH, there are obvious down sides to Kal and the UC system. Who knows what happens here?
I couldn't read much of the story, but the question that begs is this:
When the USCLA move was announced, it was reported and seemingly assumed that UCLA had UC Regents approval and the "deal was done." How could it have been done if the regents are now discussing and there is litigation?
Who would be suing? Under what grounds? Did UC Regents approve the move, and now just reacting to these lawsuits?
RE: End of Pac12? - Softball Fan - 07-12-2022
Speculation on top of speculation:
https://trojanswire.usatoday.com/lists/what-you-need-to-know-about-july-21-uc-board-of-regents-meeting-on-ucla-big-ten/
The following are quotes from the article:
COULD STANFORD POSSIBLY REPLACE UCLA IN GOING TO THE BIG TEN?
Don’t bet on this happening, but the obvious point remains that since UCLA is under the UC system umbrella and Stanford is not, any potential complication from the UCLA side of things could create an explosive environment.
IF UCLA'S EXIT IS BLOCKED OR AT LEAST RESISTED/MADE TOUGHER, WHAT WOULD STANFORD DO?
However, Stanford probably values its women’s basketball program and its Olympic sports to the point that it would rather stay in the Pac-12. UCLA’s move being blocked would actually make Stanford more inclined to stay, not less, since the Pac-12 would regain a foothold in the Los Angeles market.
WHAT IF THE UC BOARD IS SUED FOR FAILING TO BLOCK UCLA'S EXIT?
Could this be the unexpected development which improbably leads to chaos within the UC system? If people (likely from Berkeley) with resources and legal knowledge see an opening, and a way to punish the UC system for allowing UCLA to leave, could that put the brakes on UCLA’s move to the Big Ten?
Once again those were quotes from the article; not my opinion.
RE: End of Pac12? - ADPinWDC - 07-12-2022
So, IF, IF we were ASKED by the B1G to join... with NDAM or with USC (UCLA blocked by UC Regents).
Which games would WE like to see? And which TWO become the "must watch" matchups over time?
Grade "A" (5 teams): Invite friends over to watch, or go to a Watch Party.
vs MICH, OHST, PNST -- Rose Bowl caliber games. MIST also (Rose Bowl, 2014).
OK, IOWA also... "like" 2016! Yum... like us some McCaffrey showcase All Purpose Yardage Record -- forever.
So, must watch: STAN vs MICH. STAN vs IOWA (for now; because I attended the 2016 Rose Bowl and it was glorious).
... Plus we keep the Hero series with NDAM.
[We likely keep the Big Game vs KalSucks as a non-conf. patsy tune-up for NDAM.
Other than last year's drubbing, we owned them 9 out of 10 from 2010.]
Grade "B" (4): Will watch, make nachos, interesting enough.
vs PURD, WISC, maybe NORW. NEBR (recent mediocrity puts them on the fence).
NORW is like playing VANDY. Maybe something could develop with PURD?
Grade "C" (5): Don't really care, maybe catch the highlights.
vs MARY, RUTG, MINN, INDY, ILLI -- Don't need an oaken bucket, or a brown jug, or somebody's over-sized cheese grater.
RE: End of Pac12? - BigJohn043 - 07-12-2022
(07-12-2022, 12:19 PM)CTcard Wrote: I think BigJohn has a good summary.
To add a few comments ...
(07-11-2022, 05:30 PM)BigJohn043 Wrote: 2. Clemson, FSU & maybe Miami are desperate to join the SEC (B1G much less likely) and my sense is the SEC would be interested. But the more I hear about it the more it seems they are stuck there until 2035. This is a of immense proportions problem for these schools but there is not much they can do about it and ACC schools are likely off limits for 10 years.
Well, most every school in the ACC/PAC/(not so)Big12 is rather desperate to join the SEC and Big 10.
Clemson and FSU are the two ACC schools for whom this seems at least a possibility - Clemson moreso.
Miami is an interesting case. They have some cache, but they haven't won a lot since joining the ACC. Miami is a big city but I don't think the Hurricanes attract as many eyeballs there as the Gators/Seminoles. Miami's attendance has always been only okay.
(07-11-2022, 05:30 PM)BigJohn043 Wrote: 3. ND has some of the same issues although it is a bit less clear what exactly their contract says. But I think many are skeptical that they can really get out of the ACC either and join the B1G.
It's not clear to me how much of Notre Dame's current inaction is due to worry about breaking whatever contract they signed with the ACC versus still trying to hold on to independence in football. That independence really is prized by a log of und folks. Whether it is possible to maintain it or not depends upon how much it costs - and how important it is to them to maximize income.
(07-11-2022, 05:30 PM)BigJohn043 Wrote: 4. The B12 would love to expand but they aren't that attractive. Why would they try to recruit some of the lesser schools in the P10 (UA, ASU, CO & Utah)?
I think you had a small typo there. Didn't you mean something like, "Why would UA, ASU, CO, Utah want to go to the Big 12?"
I think it's pretty obvious why the Big 12 would want them.
However, I would also think that they would only go if they think the Pac 10 is about to collapse (with more defections), as it's hard to see the future Big 12 being a better home than the remaining Pac 10.
And of course the Big 12 will be expanding, back to 12 teams, by adding Cincinnati, Central Florida, Houston, BYU.
(07-11-2022, 05:30 PM)BigJohn043 Wrote: 5. The B10 is probably open to further expansion but the only schools that gives them higher payouts per member in ND and they likely aren't or can't move. Given that U$C/UCLA were willing to go as a duo, why take less money to bring in UW or Stanford - in my mind their two most likely targets.
Oregon vs UW is an interesting case. Oregon has been a better football and basketball team lately and of course has Nike money, but overall UW is a far better and bigger university in a much larger state and a much larger media market.
Stanford's potential value proposition is a much different beast and much ... softer. Hard to figure out if the appeal is real or not.
But overall, it's hard to see that the SEC/BIG10 would have any interest at all in other teams outside of about seven schools: Notre Dame, Clemson, FSU, Miami (maybe), UW, Oregon (maybe), Stanford (very maybe).
(07-11-2022, 05:30 PM)BigJohn043 Wrote: 6. But per #2 above, the ACC needs to do something. The schools are stuck but they need to get ready for 10 years from now. The best idea I have heard is some form of conference championship game with the P10. Maybe even do combined basketball and other sports tournaments. Get ESPN to pony up the money. Get a clear path to the playoff every year. The B12 is not the right partner per #4 above. Maybe even get the P10 to raid the 4 best B12 schools.
Well, they "need to do something" because they don't want to keep bringing in a lot less revenue that the SEC/BIG 10, but there is no point in being too specific about what they want to do in 10+ years. Way too many things will be different by that point.
Of course, the problem they face is that there isn't much available for them to do.
A partnership with the Pac 12 might help a little in negotiating a TV contract (I guess particularly for an ACC-PAC championship game), but it won't bring SEC dollars.
I don't see that bringing anything from the rump Big 12 helps anyone. Hard to even define the top four schools there (Kansas, WVU ... Iowa St, Texas Tech???). They would seem to offer more dilution that revenue.
Even for the ACC basketball doesn't offer all that much money, and combining with the Pac 12 would probably dilute their basketball revenue.
Thanks for your thoughtful reply.
First, I live in South Florida and the U is the team of Miami. Sure, there are UF and FSU fans here. But UM just typifies everything Miami is: sleezy, garish, flashy, etc. Miami is the school.
The have been to Rose Bowls, national title games, most of the SEC stadiums and by far the best game I have ever seen was UM - ND a couple of years ago. UM came in undefeated and fired up. If you have never been to a Miami game they have a DJ who is in the middle of the student section and plays rap music pretty much the whole game. That day, the better Miami played and the more turnovers they got the louder the music got and literally the whole stadium was jumping up and down going nuts. It was amazing. The beginning of the second half was actually really dead and you could look around the stadium and just see that the fans were exhausted.
Miami fans are very optimistic about Cristobal. The 2023 class has 8 4 stars and a 5 star signed already. If they can keep even half of the talent home they can be great. And don't underestimate how important South Florida recruiting is to the SEC schools and their desire to potentially play down there.
On the B12 my point was that the fact they wanted essentially the bottom tier P10 schools should tell you something about what their media rights are really worth. Many sport people think they will be the consolidator but I really don't think so.
FWIW, I don't think UO is even an option for the B1G. Their academics are not good enough and they are in a tiny market. My guess is that UW is actually a good target for them and cal is probably better than UO.
The ACC doesn't NEED to do anything in the short term. But in 10 years they are going to bust up if they don't do something. I agree with you their media rights are probably worth more than the P10, but the two conference combined would be the only option to the B1G/SEC and ESPN needs inventory. I am not sure it makes sense to add any B12 schools to that mix but my guess is the best list would be: BYU, TCU and after that it is tough. Maybe KU? Maybe Baylor.
The value is in killing the B12 and giving ESPN only one option.
RE: End of Pac12? - Phogge - 07-12-2022
If UCLA moving to the Big 16 costs the California tax payer then screw them and I hope there is a lawsuit and an injunction. If we don't have to pay any tax created by the move I DGAS about the move.