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RE: 2023 Niners thread - OutsiderFan - 11-09-2023
Well, my last post certainly seems to have aged well.
Shanahan is at a point of straw grasping to such a degree that his answer includes moving Wilks from the booth to the field. I have a sneaking suspicion that from where the defenses are called is not the main issue. It's the calls being made and the execution of the defense that matters. Wilks could call the plays from the International Space Station, or be in the huddle with the defense telling them the defense to employ and if the players don't execute, it's not going to matter. I'm not sanguine given the fact David Lombardi asked Fred Warner what he thought about Wilks going from booth to sidelines and Fred said he hadn't heard that. Yikes, how can a reporter know this before the captain of the defense?
The video of the Bengals game on defense looks worse after a week, especially after watching a depleted Bills team play much better in Cincinnati on defense than the Niners did at home against them.
It does not seem like an exaggeration to say this game this week in Jacksonville is the biggest test with the most pressure on him to win that Shanahan has ever had as a Head Coach, when you factor in the elements. Most talented roster in NFL, 5-0 start, team talking about being Super Bowl contenders, on 3-game skid, defense falling apart with new DC now forced from booth to the sidelines, All Pro LT's availability in doubt, backup LG, everyone ready to pounce on his young QB after scoring just 17 points in the last three games, after acquiring Chase Young, coming off bye where everyone expects your team to have its shit together, after you just got signed to a big contract extension.
The fan anger is going to be off the charts in a way the Niners have never seen if they don't beat a very good Jaguars team at a 10am body clock start time.
Good luck Kyle!
RE: 2023 Niners thread - lex24 - 11-09-2023
OutsiderFan dateline='[url=tel:1699541516' Wrote: 1699541516[/url]']
Well, my last post certainly seems to have aged well.
Shanahan is at a point of straw grasping to such a degree that his answer includes moving Wilks from the booth to the field. I have a sneaking suspicion that from where the defenses are called is not the main issue. It's the calls being made and the execution of the defense that matters. Wilks could call the plays from the International Space Station, or be in the huddle with the defense telling them the defense to employ and if the players don't execute, it's not going to matter. I'm not sanguine given the fact David Lombardi asked Fred Warner what he thought about Wilks going from booth to sidelines and Fred said he hadn't heard that. Yikes, how can a reporter know this before the captain of the defense?
The video of the Bengals game on defense looks worse after a week, especially after watching a depleted Bills team play much better in Cincinnati on defense than the Niners did at home against them.
It does not seem like an exaggeration to say this game this week in Jacksonville is the biggest test with the most pressure on him to win that Shanahan has ever had as a Head Coach, when you factor in the elements. Most talented roster in NFL, 5-0 start, team talking about being Super Bowl contenders, on 3-game skid, defense falling apart with new DC now forced from booth to the sidelines, All Pro LT's availability in doubt, backup LG, everyone ready to pounce on his young QB after scoring just 17 points in the last three games, after acquiring Chase Young, coming off bye where everyone expects your team to have its shit together, after you just got signed to a big contract extension.
The fan anger is going to be off the charts in a way the Niners have never seen if they don't beat a very good Jaguars team at a 10am body clock start time.
Good luck Kyle!
It is a big game. Hopefully Young helps. Jags are a very solid team. Balanced offensively. Very good against fun defensively. Hopefully Williams plays. Banks is probably out. Left side of o line was a strength. Maybe not so much now.
. I don’t remember any rumbling from you about Shanahan when the 49ers were 5-0.
I also seem to recall you whining about Shanahan last year too, and the 49ers were struggling. Not so much when they went on a run and made it to the NFC championship
RE: 2023 Niners thread - OutsiderFan - 11-09-2023
(11-09-2023, 11:08 AM)lex24 Wrote:OutsiderFan dateline='[url=tel:1699541516' Wrote: 1699541516[/url]']
Well, my last post certainly seems to have aged well.
Shanahan is at a point of straw grasping to such a degree that his answer includes moving Wilks from the booth to the field. I have a sneaking suspicion that from where the defenses are called is not the main issue. It's the calls being made and the execution of the defense that matters. Wilks could call the plays from the International Space Station, or be in the huddle with the defense telling them the defense to employ and if the players don't execute, it's not going to matter. I'm not sanguine given the fact David Lombardi asked Fred Warner what he thought about Wilks going from booth to sidelines and Fred said he hadn't heard that. Yikes, how can a reporter know this before the captain of the defense?
The video of the Bengals game on defense looks worse after a week, especially after watching a depleted Bills team play much better in Cincinnati on defense than the Niners did at home against them.
It does not seem like an exaggeration to say this game this week in Jacksonville is the biggest test with the most pressure on him to win that Shanahan has ever had as a Head Coach, when you factor in the elements. Most talented roster in NFL, 5-0 start, team talking about being Super Bowl contenders, on 3-game skid, defense falling apart with new DC now forced from booth to the sidelines, All Pro LT's availability in doubt, backup LG, everyone ready to pounce on his young QB after scoring just 17 points in the last three games, after acquiring Chase Young, coming off bye where everyone expects your team to have its shit together, after you just got signed to a big contract extension.
The fan anger is going to be off the charts in a way the Niners have never seen if they don't beat a very good Jaguars team at a 10am body clock start time.
Good luck Kyle!
It is a big game. Hopefully Young helps. Jags are a very solid team. Balanced offensively. Very good against fun defensively. Hopefully Williams plays. Banks is probably out. Left side of o line was a strength. Maybe not so much now.
. I don’t remember any rumbling from you about Shanahan when the 49ers were 5-0.
I also seem to recall you whining about Shanahan last year too, and the 49ers were struggling. Not so much when they went on a run and made it to the NFC championship
What was being done wrong that would warrant criticism when the Niners were 5-0? I was concerned about the Defense against the Rams and Giants, and to a degree Cardinals, but the Cowboys game washed it all away. The defense did enough to win against the Browns, but got hosed by the refs in a serious way. Still allowed a journeyman backup to put up too many yards and points. The Vikings game was effectively lost on one bad defensive play call, thought they did not play well in the game overall. And the Bengals was the worst defensive performance since at Las Vegas last year.
The Offense Shanahan personally runs has also had its own problems over the 3-game losing streak. Shanahan is in charge of both D & O, is he not? I will give him a pass for the Bengals game and the players playing poorly, as they are likely to have at least one bad game during a season. But the Browns and Vikings losses were inexcusable for different reasons.
RE: 2023 Niners thread - Giants - 11-09-2023
OutsiderFan dateline='[url=tel:1699554900' Wrote: 1699554900[/url]']
lex24 dateline='[url=tel:1699553283' Wrote: 1699553283[/url]']
OutsiderFan dateline='[url=tel:1699541516' Wrote: 1699541516[/url]']
Well, my last post certainly seems to have aged well.
Shanahan is at a point of straw grasping to such a degree that his answer includes moving Wilks from the booth to the field. I have a sneaking suspicion that from where the defenses are called is not the main issue. It's the calls being made and the execution of the defense that matters. Wilks could call the plays from the International Space Station, or be in the huddle with the defense telling them the defense to employ and if the players don't execute, it's not going to matter. I'm not sanguine given the fact David Lombardi asked Fred Warner what he thought about Wilks going from booth to sidelines and Fred said he hadn't heard that. Yikes, how can a reporter know this before the captain of the defense?
The video of the Bengals game on defense looks worse after a week, especially after watching a depleted Bills team play much better in Cincinnati on defense than the Niners did at home against them.
It does not seem like an exaggeration to say this game this week in Jacksonville is the biggest test with the most pressure on him to win that Shanahan has ever had as a Head Coach, when you factor in the elements. Most talented roster in NFL, 5-0 start, team talking about being Super Bowl contenders, on 3-game skid, defense falling apart with new DC now forced from booth to the sidelines, All Pro LT's availability in doubt, backup LG, everyone ready to pounce on his young QB after scoring just 17 points in the last three games, after acquiring Chase Young, coming off bye where everyone expects your team to have its shit together, after you just got signed to a big contract extension.
The fan anger is going to be off the charts in a way the Niners have never seen if they don't beat a very good Jaguars team at a 10am body clock start time.
Good luck Kyle!
It is a big game. Hopefully Young helps. Jags are a very solid team. Balanced offensively. Very good against fun defensively. Hopefully Williams plays. Banks is probably out. Left side of o line was a strength. Maybe not so much now.
. I don’t remember any rumbling from you about Shanahan when the 49ers were 5-0.
I also seem to recall you whining about Shanahan last year too, and the 49ers were struggling. Not so much when they went on a run and made it to the NFC championship
What was being done wrong that would warrant criticism when the Niners were 5-0? I was concerned about the Defense against the Rams and Giants, and to a degree Cardinals, but the Cowboys game washed it all away. The defense did enough to win against the Browns, but got hosed by the refs in a serious way. Still allowed a journeyman backup to put up too many yards and points. The Vikings game was effectively lost on one bad defensive play call, thought they did not play well in the game overall. And the Bengals was the worst defensive performance since at Las Vegas last year.
The Offense Shanahan personally runs has also had its own problems over the 3-game losing streak. Shanahan is in charge of both D & O, is he not? I will give him a pass for the Bengals game and the players playing poorly, as they are likely to have at least one bad game during a season. But the Browns and Vikings losses were inexcusable for different reasons.
Rule 1 in competitive sports:
NEVER blame the officials. Always put yourself in a position where the officials cannot influence the outcome the game. Whining about officiating is a loser’s lament.
The officials did not cause SF to lose the Browns game. The 49ers themselves were the culprits.
RE: 2023 Niners thread - lex24 - 11-09-2023
OutsiderFan dateline='[url=tel:1699554900' Wrote: 1699554900[/url]']
lex24 dateline='[url=tel:1699553283' Wrote: 1699553283[/url]']
OutsiderFan dateline='[url=tel:1699541516' Wrote: 1699541516[/url]']
Well, my last post certainly seems to have aged well.
Shanahan is at a point of straw grasping to such a degree that his answer includes moving Wilks from the booth to the field. I have a sneaking suspicion that from where the defenses are called is not the main issue. It's the calls being made and the execution of the defense that matters. Wilks could call the plays from the International Space Station, or be in the huddle with the defense telling them the defense to employ and if the players don't execute, it's not going to matter. I'm not sanguine given the fact David Lombardi asked Fred Warner what he thought about Wilks going from booth to sidelines and Fred said he hadn't heard that. Yikes, how can a reporter know this before the captain of the defense?
The video of the Bengals game on defense looks worse after a week, especially after watching a depleted Bills team play much better in Cincinnati on defense than the Niners did at home against them.
It does not seem like an exaggeration to say this game this week in Jacksonville is the biggest test with the most pressure on him to win that Shanahan has ever had as a Head Coach, when you factor in the elements. Most talented roster in NFL, 5-0 start, team talking about being Super Bowl contenders, on 3-game skid, defense falling apart with new DC now forced from booth to the sidelines, All Pro LT's availability in doubt, backup LG, everyone ready to pounce on his young QB after scoring just 17 points in the last three games, after acquiring Chase Young, coming off bye where everyone expects your team to have its shit together, after you just got signed to a big contract extension.
The fan anger is going to be off the charts in a way the Niners have never seen if they don't beat a very good Jaguars team at a 10am body clock start time.
Good luck Kyle!
It is a big game. Hopefully Young helps. Jags are a very solid team. Balanced offensively. Very good against fun defensively. Hopefully Williams plays. Banks is probably out. Left side of o line was a strength. Maybe not so much now.
. I don’t remember any rumbling from you about Shanahan when the 49ers were 5-0.
I also seem to recall you whining about Shanahan last year too, and the 49ers were struggling. Not so much when they went on a run and made it to the NFC championship
What was being done wrong that would warrant criticism when the Niners were 5-0? I was concerned about the Defense against the Rams and Giants, and to a degree Cardinals, but the Cowboys game washed it all away. The defense did enough to win against the Browns, but got hosed by the refs in a serious way. Still allowed a journeyman backup to put up too many yards and points. The Vikings game was effectively lost on one bad defensive play call, thought they did not play well in the game overall. And the Bengals was the worst defensive performance since at Las Vegas last year.
The Offense Shanahan personally runs has also had its own problems over the 3-game losing streak. Shanahan is in charge of both D & O, is he not? I will give him a pass for the Bengals game and the players playing poorly, as they are likely to have at least one bad game during a season. But the Browns and Vikings losses were inexcusable for different reasons.
Thanks, you proved my point.
RE: 2023 Niners thread - OutsiderFan - 11-09-2023
OK, if this doesn't perfectly satire the fan condition, nothing does.
https://www.theonion.com/man-flips-between-quarterback-being-best-ever-worst-ev-1850974681
RE: 2023 Niners thread - Mick - 11-10-2023
Just as an aside, the NFL did the 49ers no favors this year through scheduling. The 49ers play not just one, not just two, not just three but four of their 17 opponents after their bye week. That includes close losses to the Bengals and Browns, both of whom were coming off of their bye week. And not only did the Browns have two weeks off, but the 49ers played them after just six days, having played on the Monday night prior to the Browns game. And finally, the 49ers will have to play on Christmas Day, a Monday...then will have to play just six days later at the Washington Commanders, another 3,000 mile flight. So...both a short week and a cross country flight.
It's a given that the 49ers travel the second most in the NFL this season, second only to Seattle. This Sunday, they meet the Jaguars after their bye week, same as the 49er bye week...but the 49ers need to travel 3,000 miles to Jacksonville.
And the Niners will have to play on Thanksgiving Day, again drawing the short stick. The Niners are one of only three NFL teams that play twice on Thursday nights this season, week 3 and Thanksgiving. And the other two teams play on Thursday only after a full week of preparation and rest.
Niners got screwed for both the schedule and travel. I think 10-7 is their best possible record at this point.
RE: 2023 Niners thread - Giants - 11-10-2023
Mick dateline='[url=tel:1699644839' Wrote: 1699644839[/url]']
Just as an aside, the NFL did the 49ers no favors this year through scheduling. The 49ers play not just one, not just two, not just three but four of their 17 opponents after their bye week. That includes close losses to the Bengals and Browns, both of whom were coming off of their bye week. And not only did the Browns have two weeks off, but the 49ers played them after just six days, having played on the Monday night prior to the Browns game. And finally, the 49ers will have to play on Christmas Day, a Monday...then will have to play just six days later at the Washington Commanders, another 3,000 mile flight. So...both a short week and a cross country flight.
It's a given that the 49ers travel the second most in the NFL this season, second only to Seattle. This Sunday, they meet the Jaguars after their bye week, same as the 49er bye week...but the 49ers need to travel 3,000 miles to Jacksonville.
And the Niners will have to play on Thanksgiving Day, again drawing the short stick. The Niners are one of only three NFL teams that play twice on Thursday nights this season, week 3 and Thanksgiving. And the other two teams play on Thursday only after a full week of preparation and rest.
Niners got screwed for both the schedule and travel. I think 10-7 is their best possible record at this point.
Of course, the alternative is being a crappy team that no one wants to watch on TV. Then you get all Sundays opposite major games.
I prefer the tough schedule because it means the team is highly valued as a TV property…..
Note: Next year’s travel situation will be better. Only two eastern time zone games plus one possibility are on the schedule.
RE: 2023 Niners thread - cardcrimson - 11-11-2023
Time to bet on the Jags. Just saw this, tho posted late last night. Feliciano to start. Hopefully he takes off his roller skates first.
https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/jon-feliciano-start-aaron-banks/1670659/
RE: 2023 Niners thread - Mick - 11-11-2023
This will be the best game in the NFL this week. I actually think the 49ers win this one. Perfect storm last three weeks, plus they added Chase.
Niners win if they're rested, if they get Trent Williams back, if Feliciano is no worse than a net neutral at left guard, if Purdy shakes off three tough weeks against three angry aggressive opponents. Also, if the DL finally, finally lives up to their billing, and Wilks' move to the sideline is helpful (I don't honestly see how it can be, Fangio stayed upstairs). They have to stop Jags running game, and the Jags need to keep their offense on the field to tire out the 49ers.
Jacksonville wins if Lawrence gets time to throw and if they can score off of a turnover. They've won five in a row for a reason. At the same time, the Jags have given up the ball eight times in those five wins. Jags are tied for league high total of fumbles lost. That's not sustainable. At the same time, they're tied for the league-high takeaway total on defense. So the first team to give up a turnover loses. If Niners return to ball control, they win.
Jaguar reporters think this will be a statement win for the Jags, BTW. Jags are 6-2 ATS, the 49ers are 4-4. 49ers are three point favorites. 49ers have fourth best scoring offense and yards compiled in NFL. 8th best passing offense and fifth best rushing offense. Jags offensive numbers are just decent and their pass defense is 30th ranked in the NFL. Jags struggle in the red zone, they're 27th in the league in 3rd down conversions. Lawrence is a scrambling threat, Niner DL and LBs need to be aware. Jacksonville hs 4th ranked run defense.
Secret weapon for the 49ers is that the Jags' GM is Trent Baalke. No good can come of that for the Jags.
Some sportswriters are calling this an early Super Bowl matchup.
One negative for me: game starts at 10 a.m. body clock time. Not good for the 49ers.
RE: 2023 Niners thread - lex24 - 11-12-2023
cardcrimson dateline='[url=tel:1699759858' Wrote: 1699759858[/url]']
Time to bet on the Jags. Just saw this, tho posted late last night. Feliciano to start. Hopefully he takes off his roller skates first.
https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/jon-feliciano-start-aaron-banks/1670659/
But Williams is playing. Whoops. I may be wrong on that. Left side of o line was to be the strong side. Not currently.
Mick dateline='[url=tel:1699765506' Wrote: 1699765506[/url]']
This will be the best game in the NFL this week. I actually think the 49ers win this one. Perfect storm last three weeks, plus they added Chase.
Niners win if they're rested, if they get Trent Williams back, if Feliciano is no worse than a net neutral at left guard, if Purdy shakes off three tough weeks against three angry aggressive opponents. Also, if the DL finally, finally lives up to their billing, and Wilks' move to the sideline is helpful (I don't honestly see how it can be, Fangio stayed upstairs). They have to stop Jags running game, and the Jags need to keep their offense on the field to tire out the 49ers.
Jacksonville wins if Lawrence gets time to throw and if they can score off of a turnover. They've won five in a row for a reason. At the same time, the Jags have given up the ball eight times in those five wins. Jags are tied for league high total of fumbles lost. That's not sustainable. At the same time, they're tied for the league-high takeaway total on defense. So the first team to give up a turnover loses. If Niners return to ball control, they win.
Jaguar reporters think this will be a statement win for the Jags, BTW. Jags are 6-2 ATS, the 49ers are 4-4. 49ers are three point favorites. 49ers have fourth best scoring offense and yards compiled in NFL. 8th best passing offense and fifth best rushing offense. Jags offensive numbers are just decent and their pass defense is 30th ranked in the NFL. Jags struggle in the red zone, they're 27th in the league in 3rd down conversions. Lawrence is a scrambling threat, Niner DL and LBs need to be aware. Jacksonville hs 4th ranked run defense.
Secret weapon for the 49ers is that the Jags' GM is Trent Baalke. No good can come of that for the Jags.
Some sportswriters are calling this an early Super Bowl matchup.
One negative for me: game starts at 10 a.m. body clock time. Not good for the 49ers.
Jags run the ball fairly well. Etienne is a good dual threat back. They defend the run very well. IMO that is where this game will be won or lost. The Niners philosophy offensively and defensively is predicated on the run. If they can’t run again this week and they don’t do a better job against a solid running team then they have done the last couple weeks against teams that don’t run particularly well, they will be in trouble. Get Jags in second and third and long. Lawrence makes big throws . He’s also prone to mistakes.
Also, they need to step up on third down. The defense has to get off the flipping field. They haven’t been able to the last couple weeks.
Jags are a solid balanced and right now confident team. Tough game.
RE: 2023 Niners thread - French Rage - 11-12-2023
Great pass Brock; just don't ever do that again.
RE: 2023 Niners thread - cardcrimson - 11-12-2023
Tough game. Officials killed two Niner drives, one with a push off, when both the defenders and the receivers arms were extended, another when blatant PI wasn't called. Jags call two timeouts back to back to ice Moody, and the refs allow it. It almost worked.
RE: 2023 Niners thread - French Rage - 11-12-2023
Great pass Brock; do that as many times as you want.
RE: 2023 Niners thread - cardcrimson - 11-12-2023
That was roughing the passer? Bosa let him go! Might as well put a tennis skirt on Stefi.
RE: 2023 Niners thread - Mick - 11-12-2023
And that "illegal substitution" call...how many of those are ignored over the course of the year?
RE: 2023 Niners thread - washingtonismoney - 11-12-2023
Haven't been able to watch the game, but got to like the per-play offensive results. Defense doesn't look terrible but concerned the takeaway numbers are a bit of a sugar high. Still, got to like the overall package on the road against a very solid team.
RE: 2023 Niners thread - cardcrimson - 11-12-2023
CMC's streak ends. They tried, but couldn't dial up a play to break him free.
RE: 2023 Niners thread - lex24 - 11-12-2023
cardcrimson dateline='[url=tel:1699822952' Wrote: 1699822952[/url]']
CMC's streak ends. They tried, but couldn't dial up a play to break him free.
Yeah, as much as I would have liked to see him hold the record by himself, I didn’t like that. First, of course, is the risk of injury. Can you imagine if he would’ve got hurt on one of those plays? Second, it’s a little bit bush league in my opinion.
They played a terrific game. Looked so much faster. Especially on defense. The rest obviously helped them. And Purdy was tremendous today. Best game I think he’s had all year. He needed a little bit of a rebound game – not that he was to blame for what transpired before. But, it’s good to see.
Most important to me was that the defense was dominant. From the first snap of the game.
RE: 2023 Niners thread - jonnyss - 11-12-2023
great game. go george! chase young, what an addition!
and i for one liked wilks on the sideline.