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Re: All Pac 12 team - BostonCard - 12-01-2015
(12-01-2015, 09:58 PM)ferrari link Wrote:Robbed! They pick Jackson 2nd team returned, first team AP, MCCaffrey first team returner and no mention for AP? Leading the nation doesn't count? Are they into Participation Trophies these days? (Just fooli, really. No big deal.)
From the list: "AP/ST=All-Purpose/Special Teams Player (not a kicker or returner)"
Charles Nelson (Oregon) is the first team AP/ST, Soma Vainuku (USC) is the second teamer.
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Re: All Pac 12 team - Rally - 12-01-2015
(12-01-2015, 10:00 PM)winflop link Wrote:[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=13848.msg145025#msg145025 date=1449001776]
Hogan was robbed. Goff may be the better pro prospect, but he was not the better QB in the Pac-12.
Ask every Pac-12 coach who they'd like to have behind center. I'd guess Hogan's name is #1 or #2 from all of them, and I'm not sure half of them would say Goff.
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And yet the coaches voted.
Re: All Pac 12 team - winflop - 12-01-2015
(12-01-2015, 10:03 PM)ferrari link Wrote:[quote author=winflop link=topic=13848.msg145175#msg145175 date=1449032424]
[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=13848.msg145025#msg145025 date=1449001776]
Hogan was robbed. Goff may be the better pro prospect, but he was not the better QB in the Pac-12.
Ask every Pac-12 coach who they'd like to have behind center. I'd guess Hogan's name is #1 or #2 from all of them, and I'm not sure half of them would say Goff.
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And yet the coaches voted.
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Was it only the coaches? I thought media had votes too?
Re: All Pac 12 team - CTcard - 12-02-2015
(12-01-2015, 06:18 PM)ThePassionOfTheChryst link Wrote:With Hogan's current stats, had he thrown 492 passes, he would look like this:
336/492 for 4526 42 TDs-13 INTs
While I am perfectly on board with Hogan over any other conference QB, the above is a fallacious argument.
In general, the more you are asked to do the lower your per attempt numbers go.
So, Taj Griffin leads Pac 12 conference running backs in yds/carry at 7.25 - but only 73 carries. I don't think anyone believes that makes him a better RB than his teammate Freeman averaging only 6.64 yds/carry but with 257 carries, or McCaffrey at a mere 5.71 yds/carry but with 287 carries.
Quarterbacks are more complicated to evaluate. Efficiency is one important standard to look at, but it is only one number and doesn't capture everything about a quarterback. Even more than other positions, QB stats are stats on the entire offense as much as the guy in question - both style (which limits Hogans pass attempts) and quality (Kessler and Adams have some excellent targets to throw to).
Hogan's efficiency numbers are very good.
Hogan does a lot to make his offense very good, including more presnap adjustments than any other Pac 12 QB.
Hogan runs more, and more effectively, than most QBs. [second to Randall in yds/carry among Pac 12 QBs.]
I think his only real competition for best Pac 12 QB this year is Adams, and the extra 3 games Hogan played ought to give Hogan the edge (but otherwise, maybe not).
Re: All Pac 12 team - Hey - 12-02-2015
Worth mentioning that the front seven has been called our weakness all year, and yet five of seven are on this list. Â
Re: All Pac 12 team - French Rage - 12-02-2015
(12-01-2015, 07:14 PM)Spiny_Norman link Wrote:Christian McCaffrey is Pac 12 Offensive Player of the Year
https://twitter.com/StanfordFball/status/671873790809268224
Hey, that's me with my sign back there!