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RE: What has happened to Pac-12 / Ticket prices for the CFP have plummeted (combined) - 2006alum - 01-03-2019

Because the same conversation was happening in two threads, I merged them and the titles to clarify. Thanks!

(01-03-2019, 02:42 PM)Nan3cy Wrote:  So it isn't just because my husband and I are old farts that we prefer watching at home to watching at the stadium?  I thought old-fartness was the explanation for pretty much everything...

This false dichotomy reminds me of my favorite lines from 30 Rock: 

Quote:Liz, trying to evict her lame ex: "Which is it- you love me or you got squatter's rights?"
Dennis: "I don't see why they're mutually exclusive!"


RE: What has happened to Pac-12 - 82lsju - 01-03-2019

(01-03-2019, 08:46 AM)2006alum Wrote:  The ESPN story on the sub-sticker tix also noted that the 2016 CFP semi between Alabama and Clemson (and Clemson's first post-season trip) in Glendale, AZ was also at or below sticker price, further confirming the geographic disadvantages PAC-12 football territory faces.

I posted this quite a while back in one of our earlier threads bemoaning the state of the PAC, but during the 2016 football season the average PAC-12 team had to travel a combined 8,471 miles to reach its away games. Compare that to 6,188 for the ACC, 5,549 for the Big 12, 4,465 for the Big Ten, and a mere 4,152 for the SEC. That's right, the average SEC team travels half the distance our teams do.

https://www.allmysportsteamssuck.com/2016/07/29/the-longest-yard-a-look-at-how-far-every-fbs-college-football-team-will-travel-in-2016/

Now think about a fan who is considering trying to attend their team's away games. Do they really want to travel 8,471 miles over 9-10 weeks just to watch a few football games?

of course SEC teams seem to only play 5 away games a year so they have fewer games to travel to

in 2018 the # of away games in the regular season

- Alabama - 5 (includes one neutral site game in Orlando vs Louisville)
- Arkansas - 5
- Auburn - 5 (includes one neutral site game in Atlanta vs UW)
- Florida - 5 (include the Georgia game in Jacksonville)
- Georgia - 5 (includes the Florida game in Jacksonville)
- Kentucky - 5
- LSU - 5 (includes one neutral site game in Arlington TX vs Miami)
- Ole Miss - 5
- Miss St - 5
- Missouri - 5
- SC - 5
- Tenn - 5
- TX A&M - 5 (includes a game in Arlington TX vs Arkansas)
- Vanderbilt - 5


http://a.espncdn.com/sec/football/2018/2018%20Football%20Schedule%20Grid.pdf
(01-03-2019, 04:36 AM)winflop Wrote:  I think there are a few other reasons why this game is going to be less well-attended:
1. Travel cost. Hotels in this area are ridiculous even when there is no major event going on.
2. Distance from schools. A lot of SEC & ACC fans travel by RV, in part to save on hotel costs. Too far for that.
3. Weather. Gametime weather will likely be in the 40s with a good chance of rain.
4. Traffic. It's bad on a normal evening commute.

These are also reasons why the Pac-12 CCG has done so poorly at Levi's - other than #2.

I'd add

5. the two teams have played each other in the CFP each of the last four years, this will be the 3rd time in the finals. some fans may have gone to previous games and decided now they can watch on TV.  

Maybe not to different from my observation of our recent Rose Bowl trips

2013 - for more hard core fans, oh my god, I have to go we may never go again, for more casual fans not so much, we got 20+ tickets together in a great location

2014 - for those who missed in 2013, oh my god I have to go since I missed 2013 and my friends had a great time - we got 20+ tickets together is a lesser location

2016 - what, another Rose Bowl - we got 8 tickets together in the best location of the three trips, sure part of the getting a better location was fewer tickets but I don't think that was the sole determinant

RE: What has happened to Pac-12 / Ticket prices for the CFP have plummeted (combined) - 2006alum - 01-03-2019

Very true. And some have said we should prioritize home OOC games too. But in fairness, it's a lot easier to entice the little sisters of the poor to play in Tuscaloosa when the little sisters live in driving distance nearby. Outside of the Cali schools, it's almost impossible to fill out OOC games with teams that don't need to fly to make the trip. And once they're flying, that means fewer away fans, less revenue, etc. It's all a vicious cycle.

RE: What has happened to Pac-12 - winflop - 01-03-2019

(01-03-2019, 03:39 PM)82lsju Wrote:  5. the two teams have played each other in the CFP each of the last four years, this will be the 3rd time in the finals. some fans may have gone to previous games and decided now they can watch on TV.  

Maybe I'm an outlier, but if Stanford were playing in its fifth consecutive championship game I'd be there in a heartbeat.

RE: What has happened to Pac-12 - 82lsju - 01-03-2019

(01-03-2019, 04:05 PM)winflop Wrote:  
(01-03-2019, 03:39 PM)82lsju Wrote:  5. the two teams have played each other in the CFP each of the last four years, this will be the 3rd time in the finals. some fans may have gone to previous games and decided now they can watch on TV.  

Maybe I'm an outlier, but if Stanford were playing in its fifth consecutive championship game I'd be there in a heartbeat.

but would you drive your motorhome 2,500 miles to the game.......and then 2,500 miles home after the game????

RE: What has happened to Pac-12 / Ticket prices for the CFP have plummeted (combined) - Snorlax94 - 01-03-2019

There’s such a double standard in the explanations.

Why it that when attendance is low at a Stanford Fiesta Bowl, it’s because Stanford fans don’t travel well, but when demand is low for an Alabama-Clemson championship game, it’s the fault of the host city and its residents?

I glanced at some hotel listings, and while  major luxury chains have inflated their rates ridiculously, there are still some perfectly solid hotels for around 220.  The horrific bay area rates are for peak business travel periods. Weekends and holidays are usually reasonable around here.

The Bay Area has way more transportation than most cities in the US (3 major airports), has decent weather for this time of year, has many of the US’s most famous landmarks, and the best food in the country (I think the Bay Area now has more Michelin stars than LA, nyc or vegas), yet somehow, if bowl demand is low it is somehow the region’s fault?

RE: What has happened to Pac-12 / Ticket prices for the CFP have plummeted (combined) - OutsiderFan - 01-03-2019

If I was in the Bay Area I would absolutely go to the game. Would be super cool to see such an event in my home town. It’s the perfect game to attend in person because there is no other game being played that day. Cal, Stanford, and San Jose State should have all done some major promoting of the championship game.

But speaking of blaming the wrong people, I love how Ann Killion, who has been a part of Bay Area sports media for nearly 30 years, can’t wait to write “the region doesn’t care about college sports” column whenever it’s convenient. The Bay Area sports media has been as responsible for this lack of interest as any other factor. How many Stanford or Cal football columns has she written in her lifetime?

RE: What has happened to Pac-12 / Ticket prices for the CFP have plummeted (combined) - qwerty49 - 01-03-2019

It's hard for me to be interested in going to a game in which I had absolutely no rooting interest.

But watching on TV is ok, because I can do other stuff and still keep an eye on what's going on.

I suspect I'm not alone.  Now if Stanford were in the game.....

RE: What has happened to Pac-12 / Ticket prices for the CFP have plummeted (combined) - OutsiderFan - 01-03-2019

(01-03-2019, 07:24 PM)qwerty49 Wrote:  It's hard for me to be interested in going to a game in which I had absolutely no rooting interest.

But watching on TV is ok, because I can do other stuff and still keep an eye on what's going on.

I suspect I'm not alone.  Now if Stanford were in the game.....

Think of it like going to see a performance that is entertaining, not an activity that requires an interest in either combatant. And who knows, you might develop a rooting proclivity for one of the teams while in the environment. It might be you like one team’s band over the other, might prefer a uniform over the other, or maybe something else, like you liked one team’s fans better than the other’s.

RE: What has happened to Pac-12 / Ticket prices for the CFP have plummeted (combined) - Snorlax94 - 01-03-2019

I usually try to find some reason to root for one team or another. I prefer Clemson because they have a slightly higher graduation success rate than Alabama. Higher GSRs makes it feel like I am really watching college student athletes, instead of just unpaid semipros.

RE: What has happened to Pac-12 / Ticket prices for the CFP have plummeted (combined) - BostonCard - 01-03-2019

Also, Dabo and Shaw are on friendly terms.

[Image: Swinney_Shaw-479.jpg]

BC

RE: What has happened to Pac-12 - winflop - 01-03-2019

(01-03-2019, 04:20 PM)82lsju Wrote:  
(01-03-2019, 04:05 PM)winflop Wrote:  
(01-03-2019, 03:39 PM)82lsju Wrote:  5. the two teams have played each other in the CFP each of the last four years, this will be the 3rd time in the finals. some fans may have gone to previous games and decided now they can watch on TV.  

Maybe I'm an outlier, but if Stanford were playing in its fifth consecutive championship game I'd be there in a heartbeat.

but would you drive your motorhome 2,500 miles to the game.......and then 2,500 miles home after the game????

No but I don't have a motorhome and I would pay for plane tix, hotel, etc. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.