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RE: David Shaw is still hot NFL commodity - BostonCard - 12-08-2019

(12-08-2019, 03:50 PM)Goose Wrote:
(12-08-2019, 03:33 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Shaw supposedly just signed an extension. His agent’s work is done for a couple years.

BC

More like for 7 years, if the rumors are correct?

Yes, but the contract will not be allowed to run down to fewer then three years before it’s extended again. So, in two or three years, the agent will have to start working to set the stage with how desirable Shaw is.

Hopefully by then Shaw will be negotiating from a position of strength and his record will be able to do the talking.

BC

RE: David Shaw is still hot NFL commodity - murky - 12-08-2019

(12-08-2019, 05:27 PM)BostonCard Wrote:
(12-08-2019, 03:50 PM)Goose Wrote:
(12-08-2019, 03:33 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Shaw supposedly just signed an extension. His agent’s work is done for a couple years.

BC

More like for 7 years, if the rumors are correct?

Yes, but the contract will not be allowed to run down to fewer then three years before it’s extended again. So, in two or three years, the agent will have to start working to set the stage with how desirable Shaw is.

Hopefully by then Shaw will be negotiating from a position of strength and his record will be able to do the talking.

BC

I just hope Shaw doesn't get sick of the ungrateful, delusional fans.

RE: David Shaw is still hot NFL commodity - winflop - 12-08-2019

(12-08-2019, 08:21 AM)Farm93 Wrote: The idea that some in the Stanford community are unhappy with 3 conference titles and 4 division titles in 9 seasons may boost the appeal of the NFL too.

Very little of which has happened since 2015 (one division title), after which we have seen a 3-year slide as well as a postseason interview last week that seems to indicate that Shaw isn't going to make any changes in his coaching staff, clock management, game planning, play calling, or anything else.

I don't see where he'd jump to the Snyder dumpster fire, but there will be some other openings that could be more enticing. I don't expect he will take any of them.

RE: David Shaw is still hot NFL commodity - cardcrimson - 12-08-2019

What about the thankful, realistic, and pessimistically hopeful fans. . . .

RE: David Shaw is still hot NFL commodity - teejers1 - 12-08-2019

(12-08-2019, 06:17 PM)murky Wrote: I just hope Shaw doesn't get sick of the ungrateful, delusional fans.

Fans? (That's a not insignificant part of the problem).

RE: David Shaw is still hot NFL commodity - winflop - 12-08-2019

(12-08-2019, 06:17 PM)murky Wrote: I just hope Shaw doesn't get sick of the ungrateful, delusional fans.

I don't get a sense that he gives a damn about us

RE: David Shaw is still hot NFL commodity - Austroturf - 12-09-2019

(12-08-2019, 06:50 PM)teejers1 Wrote:
(12-08-2019, 06:17 PM)murky Wrote: I just hope Shaw doesn't get sick of the ungrateful, delusional fans.

Fans? (That's a not insignificant part of the problem).

This is a good point. Stanford football fans are not exactly in surfeit. Following the Cal game, many (of the few) fans voiced their displeasure on the Stanford Football Facebook page. One die-hard Shaw supporter jumped on the thread and stated that a season like 2019 would prove effective in getting rid of the so-called "bandwagon fans". I see. And that leaves how many to fill the stadium?

RE: David Shaw is still hot NFL commodity - SamuelMcF - 12-09-2019

Funny and relevant: my buddy emailed the ticket office asking if his season tickets were still auto-renewing for next season.

They cancelled the tickets for him, even though that wasn’t what he asked.

They know.

RE: David Shaw is still hot NFL commodity - Goose - 12-09-2019

The responsibility of the coach is to field a "winning" team composed of student-athletes that are a credit to the university. This year, he failed to do that, because it wasn't a winning team (defined in either a narrow or broad sense). That is on the team and on the coach(s). The coach also must present at least a reasonable public persona, i.e. not Sark. This is all that can be expected of a coach. He can't make the fan's care. In so far as that is anybody's job, it is the AD's job.

There are plenty of "dumb" things that the PAC-12 and Stanford have done that reduce fan interest. However, the basic fact is that Stanford has never had an SEC style following that lived and died for the football team. Back "in the day" we had our traditions and customs, just as we do today. However, those were never created by the coach, or the AD, or any official University program. They evolved from the team, the student body, and the fan base. For example, even if you could have a bonfire before Big Game, who today would actually go? It just isn't the "thing to do". Unfortunately, fan interest and student interest in sports is on the wane. It may come back, it may not. No amount of advertising or gimmicks or music between plays is going to change that, IMHO. For certain, the coach isn't going to change that either.

RE: David Shaw is still hot NFL commodity - BostonCard - 12-09-2019

(12-09-2019, 02:17 AM)Austroturf Wrote: This is a good point. Stanford football fans are not exactly in surfeit. Following the Cal game, many (of the few) fans voiced their displeasure on the Stanford Football Facebook page. One die-hard Shaw supporter jumped on the thread and stated that a season like 2019 would prove effective in getting rid of the so-called "bandwagon fans". I see. And that leaves how many to fill the stadium?

I've disagreed with many on here who have been very critical of Shaw. But they are anything but "bandwagon" fans. Indeed, I think some of the most longstanding and hardcore fans are the most vocal in their critiques. After all, if you aren't going to jump off the bandwaggon if the team stinks, then you are going to fight like hell for the team to not stink.

Separate from that, yes, we need as many fans as we can get to fill up the stadium, "bandwaggon" or not.

BC

RE: David Shaw is still hot NFL commodity - 82lsju - 12-09-2019

(12-09-2019, 02:17 AM)Austroturf Wrote: This is a good point. Stanford football fans are not exactly in surfeit. Following the Cal game, many (of the few) fans voiced their displeasure on the Stanford Football Facebook page. One die-hard Shaw supporter jumped on the thread and stated that a season like 2019 would prove effective in getting rid of the so-called "bandwagon fans".

this would be funny if not true.........like the people who call the redcoats on people who do outrageous things like stand and cheer during the games........

RE: David Shaw is still hot NFL commodity - qwerty49 - 12-09-2019

So obviously we just need to hire more redcoats to fill the empty seats.

Helps the local economy
Fills empty spaces with people wearing red
Redcoats get to enjoy the game instead of annoying us
What’s not to like?

RE: David Shaw is still hot NFL commodity - newguy - 12-10-2019

(12-09-2019, 11:04 AM)82lsju Wrote:
(12-09-2019, 02:17 AM)Austroturf Wrote: This is a good point. Stanford football fans are not exactly in surfeit. Following the Cal game, many (of the few) fans voiced their displeasure on the Stanford Football Facebook page. One die-hard Shaw supporter jumped on the thread and stated that a season like 2019 would prove effective in getting rid of the so-called "bandwagon fans".

this would be funny if not true.........like the people who call the redcoats on people who do outrageous things like stand and cheer during the games........

but when you stand, you're blocking other fans' view.
and when you cheer, you're upsetting people who are sensitive to loud noises.
now may i please have my strawberries and cream?

RE: David Shaw is still hot NFL commodity - Phogge - 12-10-2019

Alas I agree with BC. I have been attending since 1953 and got a scoreboard shoutout for my 65 year Big Game streak. I never turned down work but I made an exception for BG.

What bothers me most is Shaw’s reliance on stuff that doesn’t work anymore. Plus there is the Lefevre Theory of the French Revolution to consider. Not a revolt so much because of horrid conditions but one of rising expectations.

During the successful years Shaw could have done even better but his stubbornness cost him some wins particularly the MSU Rose Bowl. This past season could be summed up by the fourth and one on the last BG possession.

So now I sit in Septuagenarian mode and wonder whether I will reup for another rodeo. It is a big effort from where I live and I make it on eight Sundays to Santa Clara anyway hanging on to my trade for a bit as I fade away. I may just opt to head over to Davis and watch my cousin’s kid play for UCD.

And BC shouldn’t this thread be put into the outer planet sphere of the Stanford Sucks solar system?

RE: David Shaw is still hot NFL commodity - JustAnotherFan - 12-10-2019

(12-08-2019, 06:44 PM)winflop Wrote:
(12-08-2019, 08:21 AM)Farm93 Wrote: The idea that some in the Stanford community are unhappy with 3 conference titles and 4 division titles in 9 seasons may boost the appeal of the NFL too.

Very little of which has happened since 2015 (one division title), after which we have seen a 3-year slide as well as a postseason interview last week that seems to indicate that Shaw isn't going to make any changes in his coaching staff, clock management, game planning, play calling, or anything else.

I don't see where he'd jump to the Snyder dumpster fire, but there will be some other openings that could be more enticing. I don't expect he will take any of them.

Imagine if the past five years Shaw took Stanford from 4-8, 9-5, 9-4, 10-3, 12-2 [winning the Rose Bowl and finishing #3 in the nation] then Shaw would be the hottest commodity in college football. But the exact opposite has happened.

RE: David Shaw is still hot NFL commodity - 76lsjumb - 12-10-2019

(12-10-2019, 03:48 PM)JustAnotherFan Wrote:
(12-08-2019, 06:44 PM)winflop Wrote:
(12-08-2019, 08:21 AM)Farm93 Wrote: The idea that some in the Stanford community are unhappy with 3 conference titles and 4 division titles in 9 seasons may boost the appeal of the NFL too.

Very little of which has happened since 2015 (one division title), after which we have seen a 3-year slide as well as a postseason interview last week that seems to indicate that Shaw isn't going to make any changes in his coaching staff, clock management, game planning, play calling, or anything else.

I don't see where he'd jump to the Snyder dumpster fire, but there will be some other openings that could be more enticing. I don't expect he will take any of them.

Imagine if the past five years Shaw took Stanford from 4-8, 9-5, 9-4, 10-3, 12-2 [winning the Rose Bowl and finishing #3 in the nation] then Shaw would be the hottest commodity in college football. But the exact opposite has happened.

Imagine if he had gone 10-3, 4-7, and 3-7-1 over the past 3 years, he'd be...

Bill Walsh.

Of course, we all know what a horrible football coach Bill Walsh was.

RE: David Shaw is still hot NFL commodity - teejers1 - 12-10-2019

(12-10-2019, 05:45 PM)76lsjumb Wrote:
(12-10-2019, 03:48 PM)JustAnotherFan Wrote:
(12-08-2019, 06:44 PM)winflop Wrote:
(12-08-2019, 08:21 AM)Farm93 Wrote: The idea that some in the Stanford community are unhappy with 3 conference titles and 4 division titles in 9 seasons may boost the appeal of the NFL too.

Very little of which has happened since 2015 (one division title), after which we have seen a 3-year slide as well as a postseason interview last week that seems to indicate that Shaw isn't going to make any changes in his coaching staff, clock management, game planning, play calling, or anything else.

I don't see where he'd jump to the Snyder dumpster fire, but there will be some other openings that could be more enticing. I don't expect he will take any of them.

Imagine if the past five years Shaw took Stanford from 4-8, 9-5, 9-4, 10-3, 12-2 [winning the Rose Bowl and finishing #3 in the nation] then Shaw would be the hottest commodity in college football. But the exact opposite has happened.

Imagine if he had gone 10-3, 4-7, and 3-7-1 over the past 3 years, he'd be...

Bill Walsh.

Of course, we all know what a horrible football coach Bill Walsh was.

Didn't Walsh retire after that 3-season run, believing he just didn't have the commitment it takes to be an effective D1 football coach?

Hey, maybe you're onto something . . . .

RE: David Shaw is still hot NFL commodity - Mick - 12-10-2019

(12-10-2019, 05:45 PM)76lsjumb Wrote:
(12-10-2019, 03:48 PM)JustAnotherFan Wrote:
(12-08-2019, 06:44 PM)winflop Wrote:
(12-08-2019, 08:21 AM)Farm93 Wrote: The idea that some in the Stanford community are unhappy with 3 conference titles and 4 division titles in 9 seasons may boost the appeal of the NFL too.

Very little of which has happened since 2015 (one division title), after which we have seen a 3-year slide as well as a postseason interview last week that seems to indicate that Shaw isn't going to make any changes in his coaching staff, clock management, game planning, play calling, or anything else.

I don't see where he'd jump to the Snyder dumpster fire, but there will be some other openings that could be more enticing. I don't expect he will take any of them.

Imagine if the past five years Shaw took Stanford from 4-8, 9-5, 9-4, 10-3, 12-2 [winning the Rose Bowl and finishing #3 in the nation] then Shaw would be the hottest commodity in college football. But the exact opposite has happened.

Imagine if he had gone 10-3, 4-7, and 3-7-1 over the past 3 years, he'd be...

Bill Walsh.

Of course, we all know what a horrible football coach Bill Walsh was.

Walsh was a great coach who sustained 10+ win seasons at the NFL level for the last six years of his career. Still..the year he left, George Seifert went 14-2, then two years later went 14-2 again.

I understand your point about Walsh being a great coach, but I don't think Walsh did any coaching after that 3-7-1 season. Is that what you're suggesting for Shaw?

RE: David Shaw is still hot NFL commodity - 76lsjumb - 12-10-2019

(12-10-2019, 07:22 PM)Mick Wrote:
(12-10-2019, 05:45 PM)76lsjumb Wrote:
(12-10-2019, 03:48 PM)JustAnotherFan Wrote:
(12-08-2019, 06:44 PM)winflop Wrote:
(12-08-2019, 08:21 AM)Farm93 Wrote: The idea that some in the Stanford community are unhappy with 3 conference titles and 4 division titles in 9 seasons may boost the appeal of the NFL too.

Very little of which has happened since 2015 (one division title), after which we have seen a 3-year slide as well as a postseason interview last week that seems to indicate that Shaw isn't going to make any changes in his coaching staff, clock management, game planning, play calling, or anything else.

I don't see where he'd jump to the Snyder dumpster fire, but there will be some other openings that could be more enticing. I don't expect he will take any of them.

Imagine if the past five years Shaw took Stanford from 4-8, 9-5, 9-4, 10-3, 12-2 [winning the Rose Bowl and finishing #3 in the nation] then Shaw would be the hottest commodity in college football. But the exact opposite has happened.

Imagine if he had gone 10-3, 4-7, and 3-7-1 over the past 3 years, he'd be...

Bill Walsh.

Of course, we all know what a horrible football coach Bill Walsh was.

Walsh was a great coach who sustained 10+ win seasons at the NFL level for the last six years of his career. Still..the year he left, George Seifert went 14-2, then two years later went 14-2 again.

I understand your point about Walsh being a great coach, but I don't think Walsh did any coaching after that 3-7-1 season. Is that what you're suggesting for Shaw?

No, what I'm suggesting is that: (1) "imagining" things that didn't actually happen allows one to "prove" basically anything one wants; and, (2) judging a coach with one losing season [let alone two] as being not a particularly good coach can also lead to highly questionable conclusions.

RE: David Shaw is still hot NFL commodity - JustAnotherFan - 12-10-2019

(12-10-2019, 08:58 PM)76lsjumb Wrote:
(12-10-2019, 07:22 PM)Mick Wrote:
(12-10-2019, 05:45 PM)76lsjumb Wrote:
(12-10-2019, 03:48 PM)JustAnotherFan Wrote:
(12-08-2019, 06:44 PM)winflop Wrote: Very little of which has happened since 2015 (one division title), after which we have seen a 3-year slide as well as a postseason interview last week that seems to indicate that Shaw isn't going to make any changes in his coaching staff, clock management, game planning, play calling, or anything else.

I don't see where he'd jump to the Snyder dumpster fire, but there will be some other openings that could be more enticing. I don't expect he will take any of them.

Imagine if the past five years Shaw took Stanford from 4-8, 9-5, 9-4, 10-3, 12-2 [winning the Rose Bowl and finishing #3 in the nation] then Shaw would be the hottest commodity in college football. But the exact opposite has happened.

Imagine if he had gone 10-3, 4-7, and 3-7-1 over the past 3 years, he'd be...

Bill Walsh.

Of course, we all know what a horrible football coach Bill Walsh was.

Walsh was a great coach who sustained 10+ win seasons at the NFL level for the last six years of his career. Still..the year he left, George Seifert went 14-2, then two years later went 14-2 again.

I understand your point about Walsh being a great coach, but I don't think Walsh did any coaching after that 3-7-1 season. Is that what you're suggesting for Shaw?

No, what I'm suggesting is that: (1) "imagining" things that didn't actually happen allows one to "prove" basically anything one wants; and, (2) judging a coach with one losing season [let alone two] as being not a particularly good coach can also lead to highly questionable conclusions.

2015: 12-2
2016: 10-3
2017: 9-4
2018: 9-5
2019: 4-8

This isn't imagining anything. Over the past five years he has averaged 2 less wins and 2 more losses year over year. This is judging the hot commodity on a five year trend. Not one season. Although he should be judged on this season, as well.