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RE: Ayden Hector - maybe not coming - JohnR34231 - 04-15-2020
(04-15-2020, 06:48 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: It sucks to lose Hector as a football player and I get the "everyone makes mistakes and deserves a second chance" takes.
But the fact is many boys could have done what Hector apparently did and they didn't do it. Why should he get given an opportunity those who didn't don't have? it is nice to see there are some institutions that won't compromise their values.
Fully expect Hector to end up at USC, where they have no values to compromise.
He'll end up somewhere, and I'm not so sure that is a terrible thing.
I know virtually nothing about this incident, but can't help wondering if it is a serious enough offense that his whole college football career should be thrown to the dogs.
RE: Ayden Hector - maybe not coming - donkey687 - 04-15-2020
(04-15-2020, 12:15 PM)JohnR34231 Wrote:(04-15-2020, 06:48 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: It sucks to lose Hector as a football player and I get the "everyone makes mistakes and deserves a second chance" takes.
But the fact is many boys could have done what Hector apparently did and they didn't do it. Why should he get given an opportunity those who didn't don't have? it is nice to see there are some institutions that won't compromise their values.
Fully expect Hector to end up at USC, where they have no values to compromise.
He'll end up somewhere, and I'm not so sure that is a terrible thing.
I know virtually nothing about this incident, but can't help wondering if it is a serious enough offense that his whole college football career should be thrown to the dogs.
Stanford clearly had to do what they did (rescind admission), but it does make me wonder if the Brock Turner incident never happened, would there have been some kind of 2nd chance opportunity given Ayden (i.e. delay enrollment for a year or enroll and sit out football for the year)?
RE: Ayden Hector - maybe not coming - BostonCard - 04-15-2020
On Hector, it depends on what exactly his role allegedly was and what he did in the aftermath. In the piece (before it was taken down) a statement from the family lawyer (so take it with a grain of salt) was that Ayden talked to police as a witness.
It also depends on what he disclosed on his admission app.
I don't know the answer to either of the questions, so I have no idea if Stanford could have even entertained the notion of acting differently.
BC
RE: Ayden Hector - maybe not coming - teejers1 - 04-15-2020
(04-15-2020, 06:48 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: It sucks to lose Hector as a football player and I get the "everyone makes mistakes and deserves a second chance" takes.
But the fact is many boys could have done what Hector apparently did and they didn't do it. Why should he get given an opportunity those who didn't don't have? it is nice to see there are some institutions that won't compromise their values.
Fully expect Hector to end up at USC, where they have no values to compromise.
Hard to disagree with this decision, particularly because legal liability (no one charged - let alone convicted - of anything relating to this incident) has little bearing on right/wrong here. Separately, however, I would not say Stanford (including Stanford sports) doesn't compromise their values from time to time. There have been many instances of whitewashing over the years, and one or two in the not-so-distant past.
And I'll just leave it at that.
RE: Ayden Hector - maybe not coming - SamuelMcF - 04-15-2020
[tweet]https://twitter.com/AydenHector2/status/1250576764926963712[/tweet]
Very lawyer-y.
RE: Ayden Hector - maybe not coming - winflop - 04-15-2020
(04-15-2020, 05:29 PM)SamuelMcF Wrote: [tweet]https://twitter.com/AydenHector2/status/1250576764926963712[/tweet]
Very lawyer-y.
Very unbelievable. If he were just a "cooperating witness" why were his parents suing to keep his name out of the press? And he know that Stanford can't release any information about the decision to pull his admission, regardless of whether his statement about it having nothing to do with this disgusting incident has any shred of truth or not.
I'm glad he's not coming.
RE: Ayden Hector - maybe not coming - jonnyss - 04-15-2020
(04-15-2020, 01:10 PM)BostonCard Wrote: On Hector, it depends on what exactly his role allegedly was and what he did in the aftermath. In the piece (before it was taken down) a statement from the family lawyer (so take it with a grain of salt) was that Ayden talked to police as a witness.
It also depends on what he disclosed on his admission app.
I don't know the answer to either of the questions, so I have no idea if Stanford could have even entertained the notion of acting differently.
BC
right, but as i recall, also in the piece was a report that what the family likely wanted to suppress in the police report was a statement from a girl at school that students were showing each other the video of the sex scene that they had received on their phones, saying it was taken by ayden hector.
that could make hector's press release accurate on a technicality as filming and distributing the video (without the girl's consent) could be said to be not exactly sexual misconduct. but if true, it's still illegal and reprehensible.
RE: Ayden Hector - maybe not coming - teejers1 - 04-15-2020
(04-15-2020, 06:57 PM)jonnyss Wrote:(04-15-2020, 01:10 PM)BostonCard Wrote: On Hector, it depends on what exactly his role allegedly was and what he did in the aftermath. In the piece (before it was taken down) a statement from the family lawyer (so take it with a grain of salt) was that Ayden talked to police as a witness.
It also depends on what he disclosed on his admission app.
I don't know the answer to either of the questions, so I have no idea if Stanford could have even entertained the notion of acting differently.
BC
right, but as i recall, also in the piece was a report that what the family likely wanted to suppress in the police report was a statement from a girl at school that students were showing each other the video of the sex scene that they had received on their phones, saying it was taken by ayden hector.
that could make hector's press release accurate on a technicality as filming and distributing the video (without the girl's consent) could be said to be not exactly sexual misconduct. but if true, it's still illegal and reprehensible.
I believe Hector's statement is likely accurate.
I believe that his lawyers wanted to suppress the (false) report about him being the one filming.
I believe that the young man did cooperate with authorities in the investigation.
I believe that no charges have been filed against anyone, obviously including Hector.
The problem is that all the above can be true, and Stanford can be well within "the community consensus" in rescinding admission offer because being in a car where a gang bang is going on reflects a pretty significant character lapse. And I'm the first one to say we all make mistakes - hell, I made plenty when I was in college and beyond. But really, when did it become "okay" to gang bang? Seriously. I was in a frat that was known for good athletes and good parties . . . but gang bangs? Never (nor did I hear of such going on elsewhere).
And in HS? C'mon now.
But this is where someone more cool and wise than I will hit me with the okboomer boomer hashtag.
RE: Ayden Hector - maybe not coming - 2006alum - 04-15-2020
I recall during my time at Stanford that Tri Delta was placed on alcohol suspension because of a pledge event in which the pledges were put in a room with football players, encouraged to take shots until they were practically sick, and then strongly encouraged to give the football players BJs. In theory, they could have said no, but the setting almost assured they wouldn't. As you can see from this story, not all of those charges stuck, legally, but I had it on good authority that that was what had transpired. This was Stanford. 2004. Students who had been admitted, went through Real World Stanford, etc.
People, and especially young people, do really stupid things. Not saying that means Hector deserved admission (he didn't), but read Hidden Brain - especially when in groups, humans are surprisingly passive and morally lax. A famous example of this was a woman who was stripped and beaten so badly she jumped off a bridge to spare herself from being beaten further, only to perish in the river below. Dozens of people watched it happen, and no one intervened. Etc.
How to prevent it? Train people to speak up early, immediately, and affirmatively. Once one person does, others will follow.
RE: Ayden Hector - maybe not coming - JohnR34231 - 04-16-2020
Of course, now the kid is tainted. Any school taking him leaves themselves open to accusations that they care more about winning football games than they do about having people of good moral character on the team.
Very unfortunate situation. I hope Stanford didn't overreact (not saying they did).
FWIW here's what the Seattle Times has to say about the issue.
https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/high-school/stanford-withdraws-scholarship-for-four-star-eastside-catholic-football-recruit-ayden-hector-after-seeking-police-records/
RE: Ayden Hector - maybe not coming - winflop - 04-16-2020
(04-15-2020, 06:57 PM)jonnyss Wrote: that could make hector's press release accurate on a technicality as filming and distributing the video (without the girl's consent) could be said to be not exactly sexual misconduct. but if true, it's still illegal and reprehensible.
His statement reads that he was a "cooperating witness" and nothing more. If he filmed it, then he's a whole lot more than that. Also, he knows that Stanford cannot disclose its reasons for withdrawing his admission offer, so making a statement about why it was rescinded will remain a one-sided argument. At a minimum, there are serious integrity and honesty issues.
RE: Ayden Hector - maybe not coming - jonnyss - 04-16-2020
new story in the seattle times
the seattle times requested the police records. 4 of the young men, including hector are opposing disclosure.
The alleged victim, in a sworn statement, said she supported disclosure of the records to the The Times because she wanted “accountability for the decision of the prosecutor’s office” to not file charges.
stanford joined the request for the records, implying that stanford did not have the info from hector. then stanford withdrew the admissions offer and withdrew the request for records.
hector would appear to be more involved than he said. his press release statement that stanford's withdrawal had nothing to do with possible sexual misconduct seems false.
]another recent story on the case from a seattle tv station
sorry - the fonts in this post seem to have a will of their own.
RE: Ayden Hector - maybe not coming - donkey687 - 04-16-2020
(04-16-2020, 07:34 AM)jonnyss Wrote: new story in the seattle timesThe Seattle tv station story is very interesting. Connecting the dots, it would seem that Hector is the one in the cab of truck that asked if the girl was having fun and is the one that prosecutors offered immunity to. These types of cases are very complex with lots of grey areas so it doesn't surprise me that prosecutors didn't think they had a strong enough case to prosecute, but these boys aren't getting off without punishment. This stain now public will live with them for a very long time. Hard life lesson to be learned by Hector. Hopefully, others will learn from this incident as well. The macho sexist culture that pervades football teams has been changing and will continue to change with more education and as more of these types of stories are brought to light and the participants face consequences like Hector has.
the seattle times requested the police records. 4 of the young men, including hector are opposing disclosure.
The alleged victim, in a sworn statement, said she supported disclosure of the records to the The Times because she wanted “accountability for the decision of the prosecutor’s office” to not file charges.
stanford joined the request for the records, implying that stanford did not have the info from hector. then stanford withdrew the admissions offer and withdrew the request for records.
hector would appear to be more involved than he said. his press release statement that stanford's withdrawal had nothing to do with possible sexual misconduct seems false.
another recent story on the case from a seattle tv station
sorry - the fonts in this post seem to have a will of their own.
RE: Ayden Hector - maybe not coming - OutsiderFan - 04-16-2020
Maybe Hector should get with Brenda Tracy and be a male athlete voice for Set the Expectation. Clearly her message needs to start at a lower level than college, and Hector can attest to this.
RE: Ayden Hector - maybe not coming - jonnyss - 04-16-2020
you don't need to offer immunity to an innocent bystander. you only offer immunity to someone who conceivably could have been prosecuted. also, seems likely that he stonewalled on the videos and did not offer compelling testimony, or there would have been prosecution.
he's a long way from assisting brenda tracy. he hasn't publicly expressed even a word of sympathy for the girl.
RE: Ayden Hector - maybe not coming - BostonCard - 04-16-2020
I thought this was a bit ironic:
Quote:Lawyers representing families of four of the players — including Hector’s — obtained a temporary restraining order Feb. 26 blocking release of hundreds of pages of police reports and emails, arguing they had no public merit and would subject the players to undue rumor, speculation and harm to their reputations.
I think the "undue rumor, speculation and harm to their reputations" is exacerbated by the records requests, especially in Hector's case if he truly was an "innocent bystander".
BC
Stanford rescinds admission of football recruit - chrisk - 04-17-2020
Tweet from Stanford Daily:
Stanford has rescinded the admission of incoming freshman football recruit Ayden Hector after investigating his involvement as a witness to an alleged sexual assault in 2018. The University declined to clarify, though, what information led to its decision.
RE: Stanford rescinds admission of football recruit - SamuelMcF - 04-17-2020
https://thecardboard.org/board/showthread.php?tid=19414
RE: Ayden Hector - maybe not coming - fullmetal - 04-19-2020
Why prosecutors didn't file charges
https://www.king5.com/amp/article/news/investigations/eastside-catholic-football-sexual-assault-investigation-no-charges/281-6a342446-c7ac-415c-b25e-7575722ed1c6
RE: Ayden Hector - maybe not coming - OutsiderFan - 04-19-2020
(04-19-2020, 03:16 AM)fullmetal Wrote: Why prosecutors didn't file charges
https://www.king5.com/amp/article/news/investigations/eastside-catholic-football-sexual-assault-investigation-no-charges/281-6a342446-c7ac-415c-b25e-7575722ed1c6
That story makes it really simple. There was no ambiguity about what happened with person in truck cab video recording the incident and posting it on Snapchat. That takes the whole "was it a crime or not" issue off the table for whoever did the recording and posting vis-a-vis any college admissions panel.
If Stanford has values it won't compromise on, denying admission to a kid who did what Hector now clearly did certainly can't be faulted. That said, everyone makes mistakes. If Hector told the truth, showed contrition about his involvement, and made some commitments to take a leading role agains the kind of behavior he engaged in, Stanford could still let him in. If he didn't tell the truth or show contrition to Stanford admissions, that would reveal something a little more distasteful about Hector's character and justify denying him admission.
I hope Hector was denied admission for not telling the truth or taking responsibility, and not simply because he made a really bad error in judgment when a teenager and ultimately took responsibility for his unfortunate behavior.