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RE: OT. Yaz - Mick - 09-18-2020

If it's an Achilles, he's toast for the year. Says he felt it in the batter's box, and left only as a precaution, reported Baggerly.

They've been playing him too much. He's played in 48 games, next most is 44.

Dubon (CF), Dickerson (LF) and Ruf (RF) are the outfielders. Bummed that Stanford's own favorite son, Austin Slater, is not healthy enough to participate. Nagging groin injury.

RE: lex24 - Mick - 09-18-2020

(09-18-2020, 11:43 AM)teejers1 Wrote:
(09-18-2020, 09:45 AM)Giants Wrote:
(09-18-2020, 08:22 AM)lex24 Wrote: I think it’s a combo of things. First the short season. Second inthinkmpitching generally has been bad. Third, Oracle is playing completely different. But given the results, the staff deserves some credit. One thing that certainly has changed is they have done a much better job being selectively aggressive. Farhan looks for that in those he picks up.

BTW. Smoak has to go......

I think that Kapler and his 13 person coaching staff deserve a lot of the credit. Kapler has demonstrated that he is flexible (a critical characteristic in a successful manager). While he made some bonehead decisions early on, he has demonstrated that he is willing to listen and change. He also appears to be an effective communicator - the most important attribute of a good leader.

His coaching staff has brought a different approach to the science of hitting a baseball. Given the improvement exhibited by Longoria, Belt and Crawford, it is evident the coaches have the ability to communicate information effectively to veteran players who sometimes are unwilling to change old habits.

In essence, the Farhan experiment appears to be working (so far). I am curious how this will play out in a full 162 game schedule (with Buster).

Agree that things look better than expected, so credit to Farhan and Kapler for that.

But we must keep in mind the following:

Giants started 8-16. Since then, they have been 17-8 (or thereabouts). So really, the Giants have had a very nice 25 game stretch. I suspect that has happened a lot under various regimes and managers. In other words, 25 games is not a season - heck it's not even 1/6 of a regular season. So, no final proclamations may be made (and I don't think anyone here is doing that).

As another poster said, it will be interesting to see how the team fares next season with a full, 162 game schedule. (Frankly, I could not care less whether Buster plays or sits it out again).

I hope he sits it out. He's too expensive.

RE: Yankees - Mick - 09-18-2020

1906 Chicago Cubs, 116-36, best winning percentage in baseball history. They scored 4.5 runs per game, most in the league. Giants were second at 4.1 runs per game. Cubs had a great defense with Tinker to Evers to Chance in the infield, but it was their pitching that did it. Here's the records and ERA of the Cubs' pitchers:

Mordecai Brown, 26-6, 1.04
Jack Pfiester, 20-8, 1.51 ERA
Ed Reulbach, 19-4, 1.65 ERA
Jack Taylor, 12-3, 1.83 ERA
Orval Overall, 12-3, 1.88 ERA (UC-Berkeley, was football captain and All American)
Carl Lundgren, 17-6, 2.21 ERA
Fred Beebe, 6-1, 2.70 ERA

Team ERA was 1.75. That team ERA would have led the league in 27 of the 44 seasons marking the deadball era.

RE: lex24 - Giants - 09-18-2020

(09-18-2020, 11:43 AM)teejers1 Wrote:
(09-18-2020, 09:45 AM)Giants Wrote:
(09-18-2020, 08:22 AM)lex24 Wrote: I think it’s a combo of things. First the short season. Second inthinkmpitching generally has been bad. Third, Oracle is playing completely different. But given the results, the staff deserves some credit. One thing that certainly has changed is they have done a much better job being selectively aggressive. Farhan looks for that in those he picks up.

BTW. Smoak has to go......

I think that Kapler and his 13 person coaching staff deserve a lot of the credit. Kapler has demonstrated that he is flexible (a critical characteristic in a successful manager). While he made some bonehead decisions early on, he has demonstrated that he is willing to listen and change. He also appears to be an effective communicator - the most important attribute of a good leader.

His coaching staff has brought a different approach to the science of hitting a baseball. Given the improvement exhibited by Longoria, Belt and Crawford, it is evident the coaches have the ability to communicate information effectively to veteran players who sometimes are unwilling to change old habits.

In essence, the Farhan experiment appears to be working (so far). I am curious how this will play out in a full 162 game schedule (with Buster).

Agree that things look better than expected, so credit to Farhan and Kapler for that.

But we must keep in mind the following:

Giants started 8-16. Since then, they have been 17-8 (or thereabouts). So really, the Giants have had a very nice 25 game stretch. I suspect that has happened a lot under various regimes and managers. In other words, 25 games is not a season - heck it's not even 1/6 of a regular season. So, no final proclamations may be made (and I don't think anyone here is doing that).

As another poster said, it will be interesting to see how the team fares next season with a full, 162 game schedule. (Frankly, I could not care less whether Buster plays or sits it out again).

Posey is a critical piece of the equation. As a number of knowledgeable commentators have said, he has been greatly missed this year. His skills behind the plate (particularly pitch framing and pitch calling), team leadership, and ability to control the pace of games has been sorely missed. In addition, given the resurgence we have seen from the other core vets, I suspect we would have seen a real bounce in his offensive skills. What I learned from this season is that the value of a guy like Buster extends far beyond what he can do on offense. I look forward to seeing him return in ‘21.

In other words, next year will begin the “official” transition from Posey to Bart. Joey is darn fortunate to have a mentor like his fellow Georgian...

RE: OT. Yaz - BobK - 09-18-2020

Yesterday I read it was Slater's elbow.

RE: 2020 Giants - BobK - 09-18-2020

Mick we are on 7th place for the wild card. It’s first two on each Duvio s for the first 6

RE: OT. Yaz - Mick - 09-18-2020

(09-18-2020, 01:43 PM)BobK Wrote: Yesterday I read it was Slater's elbow.

I believe the elbow flexor strain was about a week before the groin strain, reported on 8/14 and 8/22, respectively.

2:35 p.m. update, Yaz was diagnosed with a mild right calf strain. He will remain on the active roster instead of going on the IL. Giants aren't sure when he'll play regularly again. Luis B

RE: Yankees - Phogge - 09-18-2020

Seven game series vs the Cubs:
#1 Lemon
#2 Wynn
#3 Garcia
#4 Feller

I like my chances.

RE: Yankees - BobK - 09-18-2020

Art Houtteman 15-7

https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CLE/1954.shtml

OT : Giants pitching - lex24 - 09-19-2020

The Giants are proving that starting pitching still matters. Especially having a couple guys that can get deep in games. The Giants don’t. Their bullpen is beat. And they have a constant merry go round with Sacto. I know it’s chic to say that starting pitching doesn’t mean what it used to. Get through the lineup twice and go to the pen. But that puts an incredible strain on the bullpen. And this is only a 60 game season. Over 162 it’s even more important.

None of this is a criticism of either Kapler or Farhan, btw. It’s the new trend - and the Giants don’t have inning eaters.

If I’m in a front office, one of the things I’m thinking about is an organizational commitment to getting starters deeper in games. Part of that, I think, starts with attacking hitters. Even on 0-2 counts. Pitchers have to find ways to have abs decided quicker. So much emphasis is on strikeouts. “Missing bats”. And that means a ton of nibbling. With the emphasis from a hitting perspective being selectivity. And with the “value” of walks rising considerably, players just spit on close two strike pitches. Cause they don’t care if they get rung up.

Walks and deep counts kill starting pitchers. So, attack. Constantly. Don’t nibble. And you don’t have to throw every pitch like it’s the ninth inning of a one run game. Sometimes pitching to contact is a good thing. So you give up a solo homer or two. Bid deal. It’s the 3 run jack after a couple walks that beats you.

lex24 - lex24 - 09-19-2020

(09-18-2020, 04:37 PM)Phogge Wrote: Seven game series vs the Cubs:
#1 Lemon
#2 Wynn
#3 Garcia
#4 Feller

I like my chances.

So did the Giants in ‘54! Course, I do think that Cleveland team had the most wins in history - until Seattle (of all teams) won 118. And like Cleveland couldn’t close the deal. Post season is often a crapshoot.

(09-18-2020, 01:17 PM)Giants Wrote:
(09-18-2020, 11:43 AM)teejers1 Wrote:
(09-18-2020, 09:45 AM)Giants Wrote:
(09-18-2020, 08:22 AM)lex24 Wrote: I think it’s a combo of things. First the short season. Second inthinkmpitching generally has been bad. Third, Oracle is playing completely different. But given the results, the staff deserves some credit. One thing that certainly has changed is they have done a much better job being selectively aggressive. Farhan looks for that in those he picks up.

BTW. Smoak has to go......

I think that Kapler and his 13 person coaching staff deserve a lot of the credit. Kapler has demonstrated that he is flexible (a critical characteristic in a successful manager). While he made some bonehead decisions early on, he has demonstrated that he is willing to listen and change. He also appears to be an effective communicator - the most important attribute of a good leader.

His coaching staff has brought a different approach to the science of hitting a baseball. Given the improvement exhibited by Longoria, Belt and Crawford, it is evident the coaches have the ability to communicate information effectively to veteran players who sometimes are unwilling to change old habits.

In essence, the Farhan experiment appears to be working (so far). I am curious how this will play out in a full 162 game schedule (with Buster).

Agree that things look better than expected, so credit to Farhan and Kapler for that.

But we must keep in mind the following:

Giants started 8-16. Since then, they have been 17-8 (or thereabouts). So really, the Giants have had a very nice 25 game stretch. I suspect that has happened a lot under various regimes and managers. In other words, 25 games is not a season - heck it's not even 1/6 of a regular season. So, no final proclamations may be made (and I don't think anyone here is doing that).

As another poster said, it will be interesting to see how the team fares next season with a full, 162 game schedule. (Frankly, I could not care less whether Buster plays or sits it out again).

Posey is a critical piece of the equation. As a number of knowledgeable commentators have said, he has been greatly missed this year. His skills behind the plate (particularly pitch framing and pitch calling), team leadership, and ability to control the pace of games has been sorely missed. In addition, given the resurgence we have seen from the other core vets, I suspect we would have seen a real bounce in his offensive skills. What I learned from this season is that the value of a guy like Buster extends far beyond what he can do on offense. I look forward to seeing him return in ‘21.

In other words, next year will begin the “official” transition from Posey to Bart. Joey is darn fortunate to have a mentor like his fellow Georgian...

Agree completely on Buster. He will be valuable, as always, when he returns.

RE: OT : Giants pitching - teejers1 - 09-19-2020

(09-19-2020, 11:45 AM)lex24 Wrote: The Giants are proving that starting pitching still matters. Especially having a couple guys that can get deep in games. The Giants don’t. Their bullpen is beat. And they have a constant merry go round with Sacto. I know it’s chic to say that starting pitching doesn’t mean what it used to. Get through the lineup twice and go to the pen. But that puts an incredible strain on the bullpen. And this is only a 60 game season. Over 162 it’s even more important.

None of this is a criticism of either Kapler or Farhan, btw. It’s the new trend - and the Giants don’t have inning eaters.

If I’m in a front office, one of the things I’m thinking about is an organizational commitment to getting starters deeper in games. Part of that, I think, starts with attacking hitters. Even on 0-2 counts. Pitchers have to find ways to have abs decided quicker. So much emphasis is on strikeouts. “Missing bats”. And that means a ton of nibbling. With the emphasis from a hitting perspective being selectivity. And with the “value” of walks rising considerably, players just spit on close two strike pitches. Cause they don’t care if they get rung up.

Walks and deep counts kill starting pitchers. So, attack. Constantly. Don’t nibble. And you don’t have to throw every pitch like it’s the ninth inning of a one run game. Sometimes pitching to contact is a good thing. So you give up a solo homer or two. Bid deal. It’s the 3 run jack after a couple walks that beats you.

I know the A's are good; but wow, they make the Giants looks so bad. The A's have just pimp-slapped the Giants all year.

Query: if a team hits very well against mediocre pitching, but doesn't hit against good pitching, is it a "good hitting team?"

The more I think about this season, the less I think it means anything towards next season, other than getting some youngsters some Big League experience.

Back to Lex's point, the Giants must keep both Cueto and Gausman - the only decent starters they have.

RE: lex24 - teejers1 - 09-19-2020

Posey is a critical piece of the equation. As a number of knowledgeable commentators have said, he has been greatly missed this year. His skills behind the plate (particularly pitch framing and pitch calling), team leadership, and ability to control the pace of games has been sorely missed. In addition, given the resurgence we have seen from the other core vets, I suspect we would have seen a real bounce in his offensive skills. What I learned from this season is that the value of a guy like Buster extends far beyond what he can do on offense. I look forward to seeing him return in ‘21.

In other words, next year will begin the “official” transition from Posey to Bart. Joey is darn fortunate to have a mentor like his fellow Georgian...
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Agree completely on Buster. He will be valuable, as always, when he returns.
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Especially if you value hitting into double plays! But hey, at least he catches a good game. . .

RE: lex24 - Mick - 09-19-2020

(09-19-2020, 03:31 PM)teejers1 Wrote:
(09-19-2020, 11:50 AM)lex24 Wrote:

Posey is a critical piece of the equation. As a number of knowledgeable commentators have said, he has been greatly missed this year. His skills behind the plate (particularly pitch framing and pitch calling), team leadership, and ability to control the pace of games has been sorely missed. In addition, given the resurgence we have seen from the other core vets, I suspect we would have seen a real bounce in his offensive skills. What I learned from this season is that the value of a guy like Buster extends far beyond what he can do on offense. I look forward to seeing him return in ‘21.

In other words, next year will begin the “official” transition from Posey to Bart. Joey is darn fortunate to have a mentor like his fellow Georgian...

Agree completely on Buster. He will be valuable, as always, when he returns.
[/quote]

Especially if you value hitting into double plays! But hey, at least he catches a good game. . .
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Depends on which Posey shows up. The .257/.320/.368/.688 hitter from 2019 or the .455/.478/.727/1.205 2020 spring training hitter.

lex24 - lex24 - 09-19-2020

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(09-19-2020, 03:49 PM)Mick Wrote:
(09-19-2020, 03:31 PM)teejers1 Wrote:
(09-19-2020, 11:50 AM)lex24 Wrote:

Posey is a critical piece of the equation. As a number of knowledgeable commentators have said, he has been greatly missed this year. His skills behind the plate (particularly pitch framing and pitch calling), team leadership, and ability to control the pace of games has been sorely missed. In addition, given the resurgence we have seen from the other core vets, I suspect we would have seen a real bounce in his offensive skills. What I learned from this season is that the value of a guy like Buster extends far beyond what he can do on offense. I look forward to seeing him return in ‘21.

In other words, next year will begin the “official” transition from Posey to Bart. Joey is darn fortunate to have a mentor like his fellow Georgian...

Agree completely on Buster. He will be valuable, as always, when he returns.

Especially if you value hitting into double plays! But hey, at least he catches a good game. . .
[/quote]

Depends on which Posey shows up. The .257/.320/.368/.688 hitter from 2019 or the .455/.478/.727/1.205 2020 spring training hitter.
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Yeah, he’s a bum Mick. Mr. March. Never did shit. Somehow they managed to win 3 WS despite him.

If I’m doing a Mt Rushmore of the 4 most important Giant players in SF history it’s: Mays, Bonds, Posey and Lincecum. .

lex24 - lex24 - 09-19-2020

Giants are 5-16 against teams over .500. 4-6 vs Dodgers. 1-10 ve SD and A’s. I’ve enjoyed watching this team. Much more than I thought. And iwill enjoy watching them the rest of the way.But it’s been a mirage. Just like July 2019 was a mirage.

What is most encouraging from an organizational standpoint is they are building talent in the minors.

RE: OT : Giants pitching - slide - 09-19-2020

Lex -- your comments on starting pitching reminds me of Greg Maddux's complete game back in '97. 77 pitches. about 2 hours for the game. he learned to pitch to contact (with plus location and movement). one of the Braves' young arms, Max Fried (Harvard Westlake) reminds me of him in this respect.

5-0

RE: OT : Giants pitching - Phogge - 09-19-2020

By the end of his career Maddox was getting calls six inches off the plate.

RE: OT : Giants pitching - slide - 09-20-2020

I still laugh at this one.

I wonder if Maddox had his normal Whopper before throwing to Bryant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axkik-8oFTs&list=PLKWjksuONTtByh5tqN3Kt9k11xG_ALebX&index=5&t=0s

RE: MLB Pitching trivia - BobK - 09-20-2020

Cy young and answer to several

Bobo Newson To one