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RE: Stanford Football it’s Pro Day - BostonCard - 03-19-2021

Yeah, he only averaged 15.5 yards per reception last year, fourth among wide receivers with 10 or more catches (had to be pretty loose because of the pandemic), and one of the guys ahead of him was Brycen Tremayne (18.9 ypc on 14 catches, second in the Pac-12).  He compares pretty favorably to Amon Ra St. Brown (11.7 ypc on 41 catches).  The idea that Fehoko was not used as a deep threat really is just "I have a narrative about David Shaw's offense, and I'm not going to let facts get in the way of my narrative."

Question for the peanut gallery.  When was the last time a Stanford receiver led the league in receiving yards?

BC

RE: Stanford Football it’s Pro Day - BobK - 03-19-2021

Guessing Troy Waters

RE: Stanford Football it’s Pro Day - JohnR34231 - 03-19-2021

(03-19-2021, 08:48 AM)troyc Wrote:  
(03-18-2021, 11:29 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote:  Wonder what people who thought Stanford didn't have deep passing threats with Fehoko and Wedington, think after their workouts today.

There really were people who didn't think Fehoko was a deep threat?

If so, you know how I can tell they didn't really watch Simi & Stanford play?

Troy C

If you saw him in the HS All American game before he got to Stanford, you had a pretty good idea he was.

RE: Stanford Football it’s Pro Day - CTcard - 03-19-2021

(03-19-2021, 09:02 AM)BostonCard Wrote:  ...  The idea that Fehoko was not used as a deep threat really is just "I have a narrative about David Shaw's offense, and I'm not going to let facts get in the way of my narrative."

While the idea that Stanford didn't use Fehoko as a deep threat is obviously wrong, there is an issue with respect to his use at Stanford I have been wondering about.

By my memory, Stanford put him in just a little his frosh year after coming back from a two year mission.
Sophomore year it seemed the plan was to make him an important part of the offense but he didn't play well early on (drops, wrong routes, etc). That year he was mostly used only as a deep threat, averaging a ridiculous 23.6 yds/catch - though he really should have had more catches. He came on a bit at the end of the year, with half his 24 catches in the final three games and a quarter in the very last game.
I don't really question his use up to this point. He just wasn't performing well enough to get more targets.

Junior year (this past season), he seemed to start the year as the third option behind Wilson and Weddington. He got yards, but not a ton of receptions. Then other options got injured, and again he had his best game the final game of the season.
So, I wonder if Fehoko could have contributed more from the get-go last season. It seems he was the top athlete in the receiving room, and the final few games showed he could produce.

I'm not sure, but I wonder if Stanford would have been a better offense with Fehoko getting the ball three times more per game over the first five games.

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If I were to guess anyone other than Troy Walters (who Bob already took), I'd go with DeRonnie Pitts. But my memory is Pitts year after Walters was tons of short catches with not so many yards.

RE: Stanford Football it’s Pro Day - Goose - 03-19-2021

(03-19-2021, 10:36 AM)CTcard Wrote:  
(03-19-2021, 09:02 AM)BostonCard Wrote:  ...  The idea that Fehoko was not used as a deep threat really is just "I have a narrative about David Shaw's offense, and I'm not going to let facts get in the way of my narrative."



While the idea that Stanford didn't use Fehoko as a deep threat is obviously wrong, there is an issue with respect to his use at Stanford I have been wondering about.



By my memory, Stanford put him in just a little his frosh year after coming back from a two year mission.

Sophomore year it seemed the plan was to make him an important part of the offense but he didn't play well early on (drops, wrong routes, etc). That year he was mostly used only as a deep threat, averaging a ridiculous 23.6 yds/catch - though he really should have had more catches. He came on a bit at the end of the year, with half his 24 catches in the final three games and a quarter in the very last game.

I don't really question his use up to this point. He just wasn't performing well enough to get more targets.



Junior year (this past season), he seemed to start the year as the third option behind Wilson and Weddington. He got yards, but not a ton of receptions. Then other options got injured, and again he had his best game the final game of the season.

So, I wonder if Fehoko could have contributed more from the get-go last season. It seems he was the top athlete in the receiving room, and the final few games showed he could produce.



I'm not sure, but I wonder if Stanford would have been a better offense with Fehoko getting the ball three times more per game over the first five games.


I think you have already stated the reason Fehoko wasn't targeted more often early in the year. He was dropping lots of balls and wasn't always in the location he was expected on other plays where he was not a primary target. The coaches see it in practice and decide who they trust. Shaw did comment on how much Fehoko "stepped up" when the other guys in front of him got hurt. It appears he "grew" a lot at that point. It seems probable he changed and cleaned up his performance in doing the "small things", running the right patterns, catching the ball on plays where he wasn't the primary receiver, etc. Exactly why this happened and what the coaches felt at various points along the way I don't know, but this scenario seems to fit the known facts.

RE: Stanford Football it’s Pro Day - old spanish trail - 03-19-2021

Agree, Goose. Also, Wilson was playing very well. Weddington was the senior who will play, all things being equal...or sort of equal.

RE: Stanford Football it’s Pro Day - BostonCard - 03-19-2021

Agree on the Fehoko drops, but it's not like Wilson didn't let a couple of balls hit his hands and then fall to the ground.

BC

RE: Stanford Football it’s Pro Day - Jamesy - 03-19-2021

(03-19-2021, 01:16 PM)BostonCard Wrote:  Agree on the Fehoko drops, but it's not like Wilson didn't let a couple of balls hit his hands and then fall to the ground.

BC

Including a key one against Colorado.

RE: Stanford Football it’s Pro Day - Phogge - 03-19-2021

One for BC. Who was the last RB to lead the conference in season yards receiving?

RE: Stanford Football it’s Pro Day - BostonCard - 03-19-2021

(03-19-2021, 02:03 PM)Phogge Wrote:  One for BC. Who was the last RB to lead the conference in season yards receiving?

McCaffrey would have been my guess, but his 645 yards receiving in 2015 were only good for 15th.  Oregon's Byron Marshall was the last RB with over 1000 yards receiving in 2014, but that was only good for 6th in the conference.  So it has to have been a while ago.

BC

RE: Stanford Football it’s Pro Day - Phogge - 03-19-2021

It was a bit ago. Hint: White helmet.

RE: Stanford Football it’s Pro Day - Spiny_Norman - 03-19-2021

(03-19-2021, 02:21 PM)Phogge Wrote:  It was a bit ago. Hint: White helmet.

Darrin Nelson?

RE: Stanford Football it’s Pro Day - Phogge - 03-19-2021

Bingo!

RE: Stanford Football it’s Pro Day - lex24 - 03-20-2021

(03-19-2021, 09:38 AM)JohnR34231 Wrote:  
(03-19-2021, 08:48 AM)troyc Wrote:  
(03-18-2021, 11:29 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote:  Wonder what people who thought Stanford didn't have deep passing threats with Fehoko and Wedington, think after their workouts today.



There really were people who didn't think Fehoko was a deep threat?

If so, you know how I can tell they didn't really watch Simi & Stanford play?

Troy C

If you saw him in the HS All American game before he got to Stanford, you had a pretty good idea he was.

Fehoko was a deep threat. Wedington is a slot guy.  More RAC oriented.  Injuries was his issue.  I think he can be a good NFL slot