Bryce Wills Declares for NBA Draft

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RE: Bryce Wills Declares for NBA Draft - BostonCard - 06-02-2021

Well, he didn't have to file for graduation, especially given that this was his third year. In fact, co-term programs (https://exploredegrees.stanford.edu/cotermdegrees/#applicationandadmissiontext) require that students have at least one quarter of overlap between their undergraduate and graduate degrees.

Quote:Admitted students must have at least one quarter of overlap in the undergraduate and graduate career prior to conferring their undergraduate degree

RE: Bryce Wills Declares for NBA Draft - SamuelMcF - 06-02-2021

(06-02-2021, 02:21 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Well, he didn't have to file for graduation, especially given that this was his third year. In fact, co-term programs (https://exploredegrees.stanford.edu/cotermdegrees/#applicationandadmissiontext) require that students have at least one quarter of overlap between their undergraduate and graduate degrees.

Quote:Admitted students must have at least one quarter of overlap in the undergraduate and graduate career prior to conferring their undergraduate degree

BC

Sorry, wasn't clear. I meant Oscar. (Edited my previous post for clarity.)

RE: Bryce Wills Declares for NBA Draft - BobK - 06-02-2021

Thank you Samuel. I’m glad you present a fact

RE: Bryce Wills Declares for NBA Draft - BostonCard - 06-02-2021

(06-02-2021, 02:28 PM)SamuelMcF Wrote: Sorry, wasn't clear. I meant Oscar. (Edited my previous post for clarity.)

Got it, sorry. Yeah, hard to hold Da Silva against Haase, given that he played four years. Most seniors are ready to move on regardless. That being said, you don't have to go to graduate school to stay at Stanford a fifth year. Enrollment in graduate school was only needed to transfer without NCAA penalty.

BC

RE: Bryce Wills Declares for NBA Draft - slide - 06-03-2021

on da Silva, probably better to credit Haase for finding him in the first place and then a bit of credit for his development.

RE: Bryce Wills Declares for NBA Draft - CTcard - 06-03-2021

(06-02-2021, 09:15 AM)Mick Wrote: 353 early entry candidates for 60 potential draft spots. That's just flat-out awesome.

(06-02-2021, 11:08 AM)VB Card Wrote: And it's actually the smallest number of early entrants since 2016. Many will choose to return to college after they don't get combine invites etc.

(06-02-2021, 11:58 AM)SamuelMcF Wrote: 160 seniors, 61 juniors, 73 frosh/sophs.

I find it somewhat curious that 160 seniors are considered "early entrants" for the NBA draft. Apparently that is because this season didn't count towards the NCAA eligibility limit. The wording I could find on defining who is automatically eligible for the draft (i.e. not an "early" entrant) was not framed as a direct quotation, but said that those automatically eligible include those who "have completed four years of their college eligibility."

Now, Oscar da Silva has played four years at Stanford, presumably was eligible to play those four years, and one would think he would therefore be automatically eligible for the draft and not an "early" entrant. Since he and other seniors are listed as early, that must not be how the NBA chose to interpret this rule, but rather anyone with eligibility left is "early".

Which leads to another thought. If this is the fewest early entrants since 2016, and if there are 160 seniors classified as early simply due to Covid, then it must be by far the fewest true early entrants in many years.

[And if the NBA simply chose to list everybody eligible to be drafted as an "early entrant" whether early or not, then I guess I should just say ... never mind.]

RE: Bryce Wills Declares for NBA Draft - Phogge - 06-03-2021

KC Jones couldn't shoot either and he's in the HOF. However if you saw KC play you would know why. Mammoth long shot for Wills.

RE: Bryce Wills Declares for NBA Draft - DC 86 - 06-03-2021

(06-03-2021, 06:22 AM)CTcard Wrote: Which leads to another thought. If this is the fewest early entrants since 2016, and if there are 160 seniors classified as early simply due to Covid, then it must be by far the fewest true early entrants in many years.

Correct.

2018: 181 collegiate early entrants.
2019: 175 collegiate early entrants.
2020: 163 collegiate early entrants.
2021: 136 collegiate early entrants (+4 Ignite players who in fairness should be counted in this category).

Last year 45.6% of collegiate early entrants ended up actually declaring for the draft instead of returning to school, so we're looking at roughly 64 such players this year if the same percentage holds.

That's why saying that 353 early entrants are fighting for 60 spots is just nonsense.

Source: The Athletic, who has a breakdown of this as part of their draft coverage, which incidentally ranks Ziaire #16 at the moment.

RE: Bryce Wills Declares for NBA Draft - Mick - 06-03-2021

(06-02-2021, 11:43 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote:
(06-02-2021, 11:16 AM)SamuelMcF Wrote:
(06-02-2021, 11:12 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: I would be surprised if Wills is drafted.

Can't believe how stupid some of these guys are. To see 353 young men declare themselves eligible, when there are only 60 picks, is just sad.

Most have not hired agents and can return/transfer, and over half on the list are seniors. I don't think that's stupid.

How many aren't Seniors?

On a somewhat related note, I was at Sonoma State the last year it had a football program and I knew some of the players. It was shocking to me how many of the players thought they had an NFL future. The distance between the allure of pro glory and objective reality, is vast for far too many college athletes.

I remember talking with one of the DBs on San Jose State when they lost to Alabama 48-3. Prior to their departure for 'Bama, he was convinced that SJSU could beat the Crimson Tide. I expressed an opposite opinion. He couldn't believe it.

RE: Bryce Wills Declares for NBA Draft - Goose - 06-03-2021

(06-03-2021, 02:43 PM)Mick Wrote: I remember talking with one of the DBs on San Jose State when they lost to Alabama 48-3. Prior to their departure for 'Bama, he was convinced that SJSU could beat the Crimson Tide. I expressed an opposite opinion. He couldn't believe it.

While I totally agree that the number of guys that have no shot at all and yet think they have NFL potential is way, way too large, believing you can win any given game is a different beast IMHO. If you go out there expecting to lose, you will. Coaches do a lot of psyching up players to get them to believe they can win every game they play. A player who admits otherwise, even if it is a fully rational opinion, would be considered some kind of "traitor". I am not surprised at all the SJSU DB thought they could win. Otherwise, why bother?

RE: Bryce Wills Declares for NBA Draft - winflop - 06-03-2021

(06-03-2021, 06:07 AM)slide Wrote: on da Silva, probably better to credit Haase for finding him in the first place and then a bit of credit for his development.

I'll give him all the credit in the world for recruiting da Silva, Davis, Wills, and Williams - along wither Terry and everyone else. That's never been the problem. That's been his strength.

But I will also blame him for three of these guys leaving with remaining eligibility - yes, da Silva could have come back even without being admitted to graduate school. Not gonna blame him for a one-and-done being one-and done. I doubt Wills or da Silva will be drafted.

RE: Bryce Wills Declares for NBA Draft - BostonCard - 06-03-2021

On the one-and-done, the question is whether recruiting a non one-and-done would have given us a higher career contribution than our one-and-done did. There are opportunity costs to focusing on one-and-dones, and while they could be great if you have a solid nucleus and you want to bring in an upgrade to take it over-the-top, when your nucleus isn't enough to even get you to the tournament with your one-and-done, I would argue that time is better spent working to upgrade the nucleus.

The problem in my mind is that guys like Da Silva (four year players who improve over the course of their four years) are the exception and not the rule for Haase teams.

BC

RE: Bryce Wills Declares for NBA Draft - bl82 - 06-03-2021

In a normal year, with normal practices and a normal home base instead of that nomadic craziness, it is reasonable to expect that Ziaire (or Harrison) would have a much greater impact on the team, perhaps helping to propel them to a top 10-15 ranking, some tournament success, etc. If that same person goes on to have a good rookie year in the NBA then it might completely change the trajectory of who is attracted to Stanford and who we can land as recruits. It's a gamble worth taking, opportunity cost and all, and I hope it works out for Harrison this year.

RE: Bryce Wills Declares for NBA Draft - CTcard - 06-03-2021

(06-03-2021, 03:46 PM)winflop Wrote: But I will also blame him for three of these guys leaving with remaining eligibility - yes, da Silva could have come back even without being admitted to graduate school. Not gonna blame him for a one-and-done being one-and done. I doubt Wills or da Silva will be drafted.

(06-03-2021, 03:55 PM)BostonCard Wrote: The problem in my mind is that guys like Da Silva (four year players who improve over the course of their four years) are the exception and not the rule for Haase teams.

da Silva is a drastically different case than the others. He spent four years at Stanford, apparently not only graduated but took to the school side with gusto, improved his basketball game each and every year, and seemed to be a good citizen of the team. I don't how somebody like that deciding to move on, whether making the NBA or not, has any negative reflection on a coach at all.

While guys like da Silva are the exception and not the rule everywhere, there could be more substance to this second worry. There was clearly a bad team dynamic last year, and overall Haase's teams have not performed to the level it seems they could and should have. A college coach is responsible for everything about their team. The difficult thing to know from the outside is whether the benchings and current departures are a sign of Haase letting the situation get away from him or Haase manning up to take the bitter medicine necessary to take control of the situation.