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RE: Stanford at the Tokyo Olympics - donkey687 - 07-06-2021
(07-06-2021, 07:30 AM)82lsju Wrote:(07-06-2021, 05:23 AM)donkey687 Wrote: Luke Muller Men's Sailing
Thx, added to the list
Alexander Massialas Men's Fencing
RE: Stanford at the Tokyo Olympics - 82lsju - 07-06-2021
(07-06-2021, 08:35 AM)donkey687 Wrote:(07-06-2021, 07:30 AM)82lsju Wrote:(07-06-2021, 05:23 AM)donkey687 Wrote: Luke Muller Men's Sailing
Thx, added to the list
Alexander Massialas Men's Fencing
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RE: Stanford at the Tokyo Olympics - BobK - 07-06-2021
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RE: Stanford at the Tokyo Olympics - 82lsju - 07-06-2021
(07-06-2021, 06:03 PM)BobK Wrote: [tweet]https://twitter.com/stanfordmswim/status/1412569448116940804?s=21[/tweet]
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RE: Stanford at the Tokyo Olympics - Softball Fan - 07-08-2021
Tokyo declares Covid emergency for Olympics. No spectators. Wonder what impact that has on family members of participants getting back all their prepaid travel expenditures.
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/tokyo-olympics-no-spectators
RE: Stanford at the Tokyo Olympics - DC 86 - 07-08-2021
(07-08-2021, 08:21 AM)paloalto Wrote: Tokyo declares Covid emergency for Olympics. No spectators. Wonder what impact that has on family members of participants getting back all their prepaid travel expenditures.
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/tokyo-olympics-no-spectators
I believe it was already decided a while back that no family members were going to be allowed, this decision only affects local spectators.
RE: Stanford at the Tokyo Olympics - ColoradoTree - 07-08-2021
(07-08-2021, 08:21 AM)paloalto Wrote: Tokyo declares Covid emergency for Olympics. No spectators. Wonder what impact that has on family members of participants getting back all their prepaid travel expenditures.
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/tokyo-olympics-no-spectators
As I understand it, the Tokyo organizing committee announced back in March that no foreign spectators would be allowed to attend due to covid: https://olympics.com/tokyo-2020/en/news/statement-on-overseas-spectators-for-the-olympic-and-paralympic-games-tokyo-2020
Tourists from the U.S. (and most other countries) haven't been allowed into Japan for over a year now, but there was hope before March that those restrictions would be relaxed for Olympic ticketholders, including parents. I assume that by this point, those parents have gotten ticket refunds from the organizing committee, but what that means for hotels or airfare might be another story--while airlines mostly relaxed cancellation policies due to Covid, the number of flights to Tokyo has dropped so much due to only business travel being permitted, they may not be as forgiving of a cancelled booking in July 2021 as they were in April 2020.
The no-spectator rule in Tokyo and some other areas thus impacts domestic fans, who had been allowed to purchase tickets for limited-capacity events. Those folks can now get refunds, of course. It's a bummer for Olympic parents that they can't watch their kids compete, but parents aren't credentialed by the USOC like athletes and coaches are, so I'm assuming parents knew attending was highly doubtful even before March, and they've now had a few months to adjust plans.
(There may be an exception for caregivers for nursing mothers, as Olympic athletes who are nursing mothers are now allowed to bring their babies, but obviously, they're gonna be pretty busy much of the time. I wonder if there will be a team-credentialed childcare provider or if nursing mother athletes basically get a +1 to take care of her child while the mother is off competing/training, etc. So, maybe Alex Morgan gets to bring her mom or someone else, but that's it, and she wouldn't be able to attend Alex's games anyway.)
I would like to think the USOC is doing something for family and friends, whether it's sponsored watch parties with special event feeds so a parent can watch every moment their child competes, but I don't know whether that's true. Maybe a big thing at the headquarters in Colorado Springs so parents can interact with other Olympic parents and have a focused experience that takes at least some of the sting out of not being able to be there in person and at least feels special.
From a pure competition perspective, I wonder what effect we'll see on the athletes from (1) not having their usual support systems present in Tokyo, beyond coaches and teammates, and (2) competing in front of no fans at all. (There will be some fans at some of the soccer/baseball/softball games because some of those venues are outside the geographic area of the state of emergency.) Will we see as many world records fall if the races in the pool and on the track feel more like a training session with no crowd noise? Will they pipe in crowd noise like some MLB teams did last year? And from our perspective, will the viewing experience at home be eerily quiet without that crowd noise, and if so, will NBC include some to stoke viewer excitement and interest even though the sound isn't there in the stadium in Tokyo? After the last few months of increasing normality of sports here in the U.S., it's going to feel jarring to watch empty venues again.
In past Olympics, seeing other competitions has been a popular activity for athletes, and I wonder if that will hold true this time. Since the village is supposed to be something of a bubble, I could see the organizing committee encouraging athletes to attend as many events as they can to create as normal a competition environment as possible for those competing. I could also see them shutting that down completely in order to keep possible exposure points limited. Not sure at how strict the bubble is, though. (And even strict bubbles aren't so strict when you have athletes who want to go out and play and manage to find ways to sneak out, etc.)
FWIW, if the group stage in women's soccer plays out as expected, then the US would face Japan in a quarterfinal. That quarterfinal is currently scheduled for a location that would not have spectators. I wonder if the game might be moved to a more distant location that will permit limited domestic spectators. There are currently two venues that could have limited spectators, Sapporo and Rifu, and whether intentional or by accident of fate, that's where the group matches for Japan's women's team have been scheduled to take place. (The men's team's matches are either in Tokyo or in the surrounding area, so that makes me think Japan gave greater pride of place to it's men's team but now it's the women's team that will play in front of any Japanese fans.)
RE: Stanford at the Tokyo Olympics - Papa John - 07-08-2021
So what happens if, say, a coach on the women's soccer team tests positive for Covid? I looked through the Playbook document and couldn't find anything specific about countermeasures.
RE: Stanford at the Tokyo Olympics - teejers1 - 07-08-2021
(07-08-2021, 10:37 AM)ColoradoTree Wrote:(07-08-2021, 08:21 AM)paloalto Wrote: Tokyo declares Covid emergency for Olympics. No spectators. Wonder what impact that has on family members of participants getting back all their prepaid travel expenditures.
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/tokyo-olympics-no-spectators
As I understand it, the Tokyo organizing committee announced back in March that no foreign spectators would be allowed to attend due to covid: https://olympics.com/tokyo-2020/en/news/statement-on-overseas-spectators-for-the-olympic-and-paralympic-games-tokyo-2020
Tourists from the U.S. (and most other countries) haven't been allowed into Japan for over a year now, but there was hope before March that those restrictions would be relaxed for Olympic ticketholders, including parents. I assume that by this point, those parents have gotten ticket refunds from the organizing committee, but what that means for hotels or airfare might be another story--while airlines mostly relaxed cancellation policies due to Covid, the number of flights to Tokyo has dropped so much due to only business travel being permitted, they may not be as forgiving of a cancelled booking in July 2021 as they were in April 2020.
The no-spectator rule in Tokyo and some other areas thus impacts domestic fans, who had been allowed to purchase tickets for limited-capacity events. Those folks can now get refunds, of course. It's a bummer for Olympic parents that they can't watch their kids compete, but parents aren't credentialed by the USOC like athletes and coaches are, so I'm assuming parents knew attending was highly doubtful even before March, and they've now had a few months to adjust plans.
(There may be an exception for caregivers for nursing mothers, as Olympic athletes who are nursing mothers are now allowed to bring their babies, but obviously, they're gonna be pretty busy much of the time. I wonder if there will be a team-credentialed childcare provider or if nursing mother athletes basically get a +1 to take care of her child while the mother is off competing/training, etc. So, maybe Alex Morgan gets to bring her mom or someone else, but that's it, and she wouldn't be able to attend Alex's games anyway.)
I would like to think the USOC is doing something for family and friends, whether it's sponsored watch parties with special event feeds so a parent can watch every moment their child competes, but I don't know whether that's true. Maybe a big thing at the headquarters in Colorado Springs so parents can interact with other Olympic parents and have a focused experience that takes at least some of the sting out of not being able to be there in person and at least feels special.
From a pure competition perspective, I wonder what effect we'll see on the athletes from (1) not having their usual support systems present in Tokyo, beyond coaches and teammates, and (2) competing in front of no fans at all. (There will be some fans at some of the soccer/baseball/softball games because some of those venues are outside the geographic area of the state of emergency.) Will we see as many world records fall if the races in the pool and on the track feel more like a training session with no crowd noise? Will they pipe in crowd noise like some MLB teams did last year? And from our perspective, will the viewing experience at home be eerily quiet without that crowd noise, and if so, will NBC include some to stoke viewer excitement and interest even though the sound isn't there in the stadium in Tokyo? After the last few months of increasing normality of sports here in the U.S., it's going to feel jarring to watch empty venues again.
In past Olympics, seeing other competitions has been a popular activity for athletes, and I wonder if that will hold true this time. Since the village is supposed to be something of a bubble, I could see the organizing committee encouraging athletes to attend as many events as they can to create as normal a competition environment as possible for those competing. I could also see them shutting that down completely in order to keep possible exposure points limited. Not sure at how strict the bubble is, though. (And even strict bubbles aren't so strict when you have athletes who want to go out and play and manage to find ways to sneak out, etc.)
FWIW, if the group stage in women's soccer plays out as expected, then the US would face Japan in a quarterfinal. That quarterfinal is currently scheduled for a location that would not have spectators. I wonder if the game might be moved to a more distant location that will permit limited domestic spectators.
Remember when the US was held out as the poster nation for poor Covid response?
One thing done right was the front-end, all out pursuit of a vaccine.
It's mind-boggling to me that Japan is in this self-imposed State of Emergency (and that only 20% of population is vaccinated). We've got free vaccine up the wazoo here and are begging those not vaccinated to get their shots. . .
I think it SUCKS that the Olympic venues will not be filled with spectators (or at last 50% filled) and believe Japan must have mismanaged a lot to be in this state. Regardless, itt will make for very odd broadcasts - akin to the Copa America contests in empty stadia - and a lot less fun to watch.
RE: Stanford at the Tokyo Olympics - ColoradoTree - 07-08-2021
From what I understand, Japan has a stricter process for getting vaccines approved, requiring more tests, etc. So, the process has taken much longer there, and they're effectively where we were in February or March. Pfizer got approved there in February, but Moderna and AstraZeneca not until May (with AZ still not even being rolled out due to blood clot concerns). Japan didn't open up vaccines for people under 65 until June 21, so they're playing a great deal of catchup.
And while there is vaccine hesitancy everywhere, it seems to be particularly strong in Japan due to concerns about vaccine safety. (Apparently, a belief that the MMR shot led to increased meningitis cases--despite no definitive link being found--became widely accepted in the 1990s and have led to strong resistance to vaccines in general. That was apparently worsened by coverage of potential side effects of the HPV vaccine--a very safe vaccine, by any measure--in more recent years. In short, any vaccine side effect gets outsized coverage, so faith in vaccines in Japan is uniquely low among highly industrialized nations. That in turn has led the government to require stricter testing standards before approval in an effort to create more consumer confidence in approved vaccines.) In one poll, only 62% of Japanese residents even said they would even consider getting the vaccine. That's not gonna get it done.
RE: Stanford at the Tokyo Olympics - BostonCard - 07-08-2021
I'd like to redirect this conversation back to the Olympics and away from vaccine response before it crosses into the political sphere. Regardless of why Japan has lagged in vaccination, which is irrelevant to this discussion, the fact of the matter is that it does, and that has implications for the Olympics having spectators.
BC
RE: Stanford at the Tokyo Olympics - ColoradoTree - 07-09-2021
Steering things back to the Olympics, here's an interesting Olympic story:
* Jessica Springsteen, Bruce's daughter, is on the Olympic equestrian team in show jumping. (Entirely deserved on her own merits, just to be clear. She's currently the 14th-ranked jumper in the world.)
* The Olympics run from July 21st to August 8th.
* Bruce's show on Broadway, which has otherwise been going almost every night, is off starting July 18th through August 17th, so it looks like he cleared his schedule for his daughter's Olympic experience.
We've been talking about the no-spectator rule for the Olympics, and if Bruce were going to watch every bit of his daughter's competition, presumably he could schedule around that and still do some shows--Jessica's jumping competitions wouldn't start until August 3. I wonder if Bruce has been planning on going to Tokyo for the whole experience, even despite the foreign spectator ban, because, well, he's the Boss. "Hey organizing committee, I'll come and play a solo show for all the athletes, whatever you want, just let me watch my daughter jump with her dang horse."
RE: Stanford at the Tokyo Olympics - teejers1 - 07-09-2021
(07-08-2021, 02:18 PM)BostonCard Wrote: I'd like to redirect this conversation back to the Olympics and away from vaccine response before it crosses into the political sphere. Regardless of why Japan has lagged in vaccination, which is irrelevant to this discussion, the fact of the matter is that it does, and that has implications for the Olympics having spectators.
BC
Is that because if we talk more about Covid here someone might point out that Santa Clara County recently reassessed the death totals attributed to Covid, which resulted in a 20% drop in the total? Doh! (And apologies to all the harm caused to those here who read this post. Somehow, I think you'll survive).
RE: Stanford at the Tokyo Olympics - BostonCard - 07-09-2021
I would be happy to talk about COVID-19 until the cows come home, and if you want to engage in a private discussion, you can DM me your email or other appropriate way of reaching me, but since I didn't set up the site, I don't set the rules. The people who did the work and whose baby this site is don't want further discussion of COVID unless it is directly relevant to other permitted discussions; I am merely here to remind posters when they inadvertently stray from that, as you just did.
I view this similar to the host who asks that you take your shoes off before entering their house. Don't be the jerk who refuses, just because you don't agree with their policy.
BC
RE: Stanford at the Tokyo Olympics - BobK - 07-09-2021
Back to the Olympics if appropriate
https://twitter.com/stanfordmswim/status/1413633121858113536?s=21
RE: Stanford at the Tokyo Olympics - 82lsju - 07-09-2021
(07-09-2021, 04:18 PM)BobK Wrote: Back to the Olympics if appropriate
https://twitter.com/stanfordmswim/status/1413633121858113536?s=21
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RE: Stanford at the Tokyo Olympics - M T - 07-10-2021
I presume on some of the possible Olympians, we're waiting for the final roster submission.
For instance, I see the FIBA site only showing 12-person rosters for the women, but teams (specifically Nigeria) have been talking about 15-person rosters. For the Nigerian women, if they're waiting for Nneka & Chiney to be fully healed, they may wait to the last minute to make their decision.
PS. I see the Nigerian men beat the US in a basketball friendly game today in Las Vegas. I haven't found a box score, but apparently the US selected 7 players for the exhibition games to replace 3 players still in the NBA finals. "The Select Team was hit hard during training camp. By Friday, seven team members were out of practice. Naz Reid of the Minnesota Timberwolves was out after suffering a minor injury Thursday, sources said, and Tyler Herro of the Miami Heat sat out for undisclosed reasons. Five other players already were out after suffering injuries or due to COVID protocols."
RE: Stanford at the Tokyo Olympics - DC 86 - 07-10-2021
(07-10-2021, 11:03 PM)M T Wrote: I presume on some of the possible Olympians, we're waiting for the final roster submission.
For instance, I see the FIBA site only showing 12-person rosters for the women, but teams (specifically Nigeria) have been talking about 15-person rosters. For the Nigerian women, if they're waiting for Nneka & Chiney to be fully healed, they may wait to the last minute to make their decision.
PS. I see the Nigerian men beat the US in a basketball friendly game today in Las Vegas. I haven't found a box score, but apparently the US selected 7 players for the exhibition games to replace 3 players still in the NBA finals. "The Select Team was hit hard during training camp. By Friday, seven team members were out of practice. Naz Reid of the Minnesota Timberwolves was out after suffering a minor injury Thursday, sources said, and Tyler Herro of the Miami Heat sat out for undisclosed reasons. Five other players already were out after suffering injuries or due to COVID protocols."
Kevin Durant, Jayson Tatum and Damian Lillard led the US, but Nigeria shot 20-42 from 3-point range.
RE: Stanford at the Tokyo Olympics - 82lsju - 07-11-2021
(07-10-2021, 11:03 PM)M T Wrote: I presume on some of the possible Olympians, we're waiting for the final roster submission.
For instance, I see the FIBA site only showing 12-person rosters for the women, but teams (specifically Nigeria) have been talking about 15-person rosters. For the Nigerian women, if they're waiting for Nneka & Chiney to be fully healed, they may wait to the last minute to make their decision.
yes
RE: Stanford at the Tokyo Olympics - ColoradoTree - 07-12-2021
(07-11-2021, 07:47 AM)82lsju Wrote:(07-10-2021, 11:03 PM)M T Wrote: I presume on some of the possible Olympians, we're waiting for the final roster submission.
For instance, I see the FIBA site only showing 12-person rosters for the women, but teams (specifically Nigeria) have been talking about 15-person rosters. For the Nigerian women, if they're waiting for Nneka & Chiney to be fully healed, they may wait to the last minute to make their decision.
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Because Nneka and Chiney have represented the US in official competition before, they need the governing body to approve a switch in nationality. That's seen as something of a formality as the US didn't oppose it, but it still needs to happen before they can be part of the roster.
Nneka at 80% is still the best player on that team. If she wants to play, you bring her. As I understand it, them being on the 15-player roster rather than the final one is because Nneka and Chiney need approval. Chiney's injury wasn't as serious as Nneka's in any event, so they should both be major contributors for Nigeria--if FIBA allows it.
I'd also like to see the official Athletic Department "Going to Tokyo" posts for Jane Campbell and Catarina Macario if they are indeed now considered Olympians--something we've discussed in detail on the women's soccer olympic thread. The final roster there has been submitted, and they were on it as alternates, but the lack of official, "yep, they're Olympians" acknowledgment is irritating.