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RE: The teeth of the schedule - BostonCard - 09-26-2021

I’m starting to wonder if DUO is just not the right blocking scheme for Stanford.

BC

RE: The teeth of the schedule - Goose - 09-26-2021

(09-26-2021, 08:44 AM)BostonCard Wrote: I’m starting to wonder if DUO is just not the right blocking scheme for Stanford.

BC

I am not sure we were using DUO. I think it was more OLE with a lot of Who, me? mixed in. Seriously, to me it looked more like just plain lack of effort. It was similar to the KSU game only worse. The UCLA players just went through the gaps untouched in may cases. We seemed to have no plan on stopping that, as if the line just didn't feel the need. I would have possibly expected lots of holding penalties as players tried desperately to restrain the guy who was going by them, but we didn't even get that. It was more "That isn't my job" it seemed.

RE: The teeth of the schedule - martyup - 09-26-2021

(09-26-2021, 08:44 AM)BostonCard Wrote: I’m starting to wonder if DUO is just not the right blocking scheme for Stanford.

BC

UCLA was shifting so much on the DL that it would have been hard to execute any non-zone blocking scheme. But, that wasn't the problem. The problem was that we weren't making and sustaining blocks. UCLA was in our backfield all day by just beating our blocks.

RE: The teeth of the schedule - Farm93 - 09-26-2021

(09-26-2021, 08:20 AM)Goose Wrote:
(09-26-2021, 03:52 AM)JohnR34231 Wrote: Yep, I had hoped our OL weakness was just a function of us needing a couple of games to get it together, especially since the OL was supposed to be a strength of the team going into the season. Now it is beginning to look like something that will plague us all year. If McKee isn't sharp, and he won't be all the time, we have no offense.
Totally agree. Nobody plays their "best" all the time. Way too much to expect, and it can get worse if you have a QB that gets "happy feet" from being hit too much. Our OL should be better than this. We probably don't have lots of quickness, but we should be able to push some piles forward. Seems we can't do that either.

Watching the game in the stadium was tough. For most of the first half it looked like McKee anticipated he would not have a lot of time. I think on pass blocking he had a bit more time than he feared. However, over time it was depressingly clear that the OL run blocking was a disaster. I thought Fresno State represented a bit of a trap game for UCLA.

The DL play was not unexpected but so disheartening. It seemed like the yards gained after first contact was 4 or 5 yards for UCLA RBs, while Stanford RBs were immediately overwhelmed by three or more defenders at the line of scrimmage if not in the backfield.

UCLA and Oregon are near CFP level teams. And if either one can get through the season with 1 loss they should be in the CFP.

Those of us that predicted 5, 6 or 7 wins for Stanford probably suspected the team would be 2-3, at best, after 5 games. So the team is pretty much on course for the 6 or 7 win season IMHO.

RE: The teeth of the schedule - Goose - 09-26-2021

(09-26-2021, 09:20 AM)Farm93 Wrote: UCLA and Oregon are near CFP level teams. And if either one can get through the season with 1 loss they should be in the CFP.

Oregon may be. The jury is still out. UCLA is not, not even close. They have major issues. That makes our loss even harder to take. We were in the game with them even when we didn't have any offense at all in the first half. The UCLA pass defense is suspect. We passed well against them. Fresno did also. DTR is not a good passer. He misses lots of receivers. When UCLA is playing a defense that can't stop the run, that doesn't matter. At the CFP level, they can stop the run and will dare DTR to beat them in the air. He can't.
Obviously, the rest of the season will demonstrate the reality of the situation, one way or the other. UCLA isn't CFP class IMHO, but is a fair to good team. That may be enough to win the South as nobody in that division has looked real great this year.

RE: The teeth of the schedule - martyup - 09-26-2021

(09-26-2021, 09:37 AM)Goose Wrote:
(09-26-2021, 09:20 AM)Farm93 Wrote: UCLA and Oregon are near CFP level teams. And if either one can get through the season with 1 loss they should be in the CFP.
Oregon may be. The jury is still out. UCLA is not, not even close. They have major issues. That makes our loss even harder to take. We were in the game with them even when we didn't have any offense at all in the first half. The UCLA pass defense is suspect. We passed well against them. Fresno did also. DTR is not a good passer. He misses lots of receivers. When UCLA is playing a defense that can't stop the run, that doesn't matter. At the CFP level, they can stop the run and will dare DTR to beat them in the air. He can't.
Obviously, the rest of the season will demonstrate the reality of the situation, one way or the other. UCLA isn't CFP class IMHO, but is a fair to good team. That may be enough to win the South as nobody in that division has looked real great this year.

Oregon had a hard time stopping the run last night too. They gave up over 200 yards rushing to the 15-game-winless Arizona Wildcats last night in Eugene. Actually, AZ outgained OR with 435 total yards and probably would have beat the Ducks if they wouldn't have given up 5 turnovers. Yes, net FIVE giveaways.

RE: The teeth of the schedule - JohnR34231 - 09-26-2021

(09-26-2021, 09:44 AM)martyup Wrote:
(09-26-2021, 09:37 AM)Goose Wrote:
(09-26-2021, 09:20 AM)Farm93 Wrote: UCLA and Oregon are near CFP level teams. And if either one can get through the season with 1 loss they should be in the CFP.
Oregon may be. The jury is still out. UCLA is not, not even close. They have major issues. That makes our loss even harder to take. We were in the game with them even when we didn't have any offense at all in the first half. The UCLA pass defense is suspect. We passed well against them. Fresno did also. DTR is not a good passer. He misses lots of receivers. When UCLA is playing a defense that can't stop the run, that doesn't matter. At the CFP level, they can stop the run and will dare DTR to beat them in the air. He can't.
Obviously, the rest of the season will demonstrate the reality of the situation, one way or the other. UCLA isn't CFP class IMHO, but is a fair to good team. That may be enough to win the South as nobody in that division has looked real great this year.

Oregon had a hard time stopping the run last night too. They gave up over 200 yards rushing to the 15-game-winless Arizona Wildcats last night in Eugene. Actually, AZ outgained OR with 435 total yards and probably would have beat the Ducks if they wouldn't have given up 5 turnovers. Yes, net FIVE giveaways.

Yet the Ducks still won the game by 22 points.
The only game I've seen them in is Ohio State. They beat the Buckeyes in Columbus with two of their best defensive players out with injuries. If OSU is anywhere near as good a team as they are supposed to be, the Ducks certainly looked like a playoff team in that one.

RE: The teeth of the schedule - baycommuter - 09-26-2021

Other than Ohio State, Oregon looks undisciplined at times. I've rarely seen any coach as angry as Cristobal after a celebrating wide receiver spun the ball on the ground for a taunting penalty and cost them a chance at a field goal at the end of the first half. He smashed a headset and for a second I thought he was going to hit him. Maybe he'll read them the riot act and if they play to their potential it won't be good news for us.

Yet the Ducks still won the game by 22 points.
The only game I've seen them in is Ohio State. They beat the Buckeyes in Columbus with two of their best defensive players out with injuries. If OSU is anywhere near as good a team as they are supposed to be, the Ducks certainly looked like a playoff team in that one.
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RE: The teeth of the schedule - Farm93 - 09-26-2021

(09-26-2021, 10:21 AM)baycommuter Wrote: Other than Ohio State, Oregon looks undisciplined at times. I've rarely seen any coach as angry as Cristobal after a celebrating wide receiver spun the ball on the ground for a taunting penalty and cost them a chance at a field goal at the end of the first half. He smashed a headset and for a second I thought he was going to hit him. Maybe he'll read them the riot act and if they play to their potential it won't be good news for us.

Yet the Ducks still won the game by 22 points.
The only game I've seen them in is Ohio State. They beat the Buckeyes in Columbus with two of their best defensive players out with injuries. If OSU is anywhere near as good a team as they are supposed to be, the Ducks certainly looked like a playoff team in that one.

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This is not how the CFP really works.

Oklahoma often has 1 real game most years, the game vs Texas.
If they look good and get through the Big12 with 1 loss or less then in they go.
Recently Clemson in the ACC enjoyed a similar fast pass to the CFP. Just beat Florida State and South Carolina and all will be fine.

So, using that logic, and given Clemson has two losses, a one loss Pac-12 team should be in the CFP. I don't care if that team barely beats OSU, WSU and/or Colorado. They get through undefeated or with one loss then they should get in. I would like to think that Oregon will get a loss in 6 days, so even if that happens I would hope they get into the CFP over the likes of tOSU or Clemson. And should UCLA run the table and then beat the Pac-12 North team in the Pac-12 CG then they will be worthy too.

I suspect they both won't get through the season with one loss or less, but if they go 12-1 (or better) they should be in IMHO.

RE: The teeth of the schedule - Goose - 09-26-2021

(09-26-2021, 11:02 AM)Farm93 Wrote: I suspect they both won't get through the season with one loss or less, but if they go 12-1 (or better) they should be in IMHO.

Totally agree. If Oregon goes 12-1 they should be in unless there are enough undefeated P5 schools to bump them out (I don't expect that is probable). I think Oregon could possible do it, but as others have pointed out they usually have at least one bad game and sometimes more. I would guess UCLA isn't in the running for a 1 loss season. Not CFP, but not chopped liver either. OTOH, I can also see UCLA going 7-5.

RE: The teeth of the schedule - Beeg_Dawg - 09-26-2021

(09-26-2021, 09:08 AM)Goose Wrote:
(09-26-2021, 08:44 AM)BostonCard Wrote: I’m starting to wonder if DUO is just not the right blocking scheme for Stanford.

BC
I am not sure we were using DUO. I think it was more OLE with a lot of Who, me? mixed in. Seriously, to me it looked more like just plain lack of effort. It was similar to the KSU game only worse. The UCLA players just went through the gaps untouched in may cases. We seemed to have no plan on stopping that, as if the line just didn't feel the need. I would have possibly expected lots of holding penalties as players tried desperately to restrain the guy who was going by them, but we didn't even get that. It was more "That isn't my job" it seemed.

LoL. I was thinking about BC's post as I read yours. My take - its the NO blocking scheme. Good heavens, how many times was Peat tackled before he could even see the corner, let alone turn up-field? Seemed like our OLs primary mission was running to the pile after a TFL.

How hard is it to just block any defender after missing your assignment? Back in the day, missing a block was egregious but was nothing compared to not blocking at all. :(

RE: The teeth of the schedule - gailtate - 09-26-2021

(09-26-2021, 09:20 AM)Farm93 Wrote:
(09-26-2021, 08:20 AM)Goose Wrote:
(09-26-2021, 03:52 AM)JohnR34231 Wrote: Yep, I had hoped our OL weakness was just a function of us needing a couple of games to get it together, especially since the OL was supposed to be a strength of the team going into the season. Now it is beginning to look like something that will plague us all year. If McKee isn't sharp, and he won't be all the time, we have no offense.
Totally agree. Nobody plays their "best" all the time. Way too much to expect, and it can get worse if you have a QB that gets "happy feet" from being hit too much. Our OL should be better than this. We probably don't have lots of quickness, but we should be able to push some piles forward. Seems we can't do that either.
Watching the game in the stadium was tough. For most of the first half it looked like McKee anticipated he would not have a lot of time. I think on pass blocking he had a bit more time than he feared. However, over time it was depressingly clear that the OL run blocking was a disaster. I thought Fresno State represented a bit of a trap game for UCLA.

The DL play was not unexpected but so disheartening. It seemed like the yards gained after first contact was 4 or 5 yards for UCLA RBs, while Stanford RBs were immediately overwhelmed by three or more defenders at the line of scrimmage if not in the backfield.

UCLA and Oregon are near CFP level teams. And if either one can get through the season with 1 loss they should be in the CFP.

Those of us that predicted 5, 6 or 7 wins for Stanford probably suspected the team would be 2-3, at best, after 5 games. So the team is pretty much on course for the 6 or 7 win season IMHO.

The UCLA team I saw yesterday is eminently beatable and Fresno State would agree. No way are Chip's 2021 Bruins CFP material. Oregon is, absolutely. And get ready for big-time arse-whuppin' this week. As I said last week when the $9MM HC revealed his depleted roster, with a healthy squad and a tough O-line it may have been a decent horse race but what Stanford put on the field left quite a bit to be desired. That UCLA had to struggle until late in the game to pull away did not say anything flattering about that team, either. What it did was further expose Stanford's lack of depth, its over-hyped O-Line and poor preparation for a superior (vis-a-vis Stanford) opponent . Use of the wildcat said everything you need to know about ShawBall. Guy has not learned a thing. If he has he is concealing it very well. Thankful I passed on buying season tix. That could NOT have been a festive post-game atmosphere yesterday. Been there, drank that.

RE: The teeth of the schedule - qwerty49 - 09-26-2021

(09-26-2021, 11:30 AM)Beeg_Dawg Wrote:
(09-26-2021, 09:08 AM)Goose Wrote:
(09-26-2021, 08:44 AM)BostonCard Wrote: I’m starting to wonder if DUO is just not the right blocking scheme for Stanford.

BC
I am not sure we were using DUO. I think it was more OLE with a lot of Who, me? mixed in. Seriously, to me it looked more like just plain lack of effort. It was similar to the KSU game only worse. The UCLA players just went through the gaps untouched in may cases. We seemed to have no plan on stopping that, as if the line just didn't feel the need. I would have possibly expected lots of holding penalties as players tried desperately to restrain the guy who was going by them, but we didn't even get that. It was more "That isn't my job" it seemed.

LoL. I was thinking about BC's post as I read yours. My take - its the NO blocking scheme. Good heavens, how many times was Peat tackled before he could even see the corner, let alone turn up-field? Seemed like our OLs primary mission was running to the pile after a TFL.

How hard is it to just block any defender after missing your assignment? Back in the day, missing a block was egregious but was nothing compared to not blocking at all. :(

There was one screen pass in the left flat that revealed just how slow-footed our guards were. Not even in the camera frame and still standing after three guys gang-tackled our back. Miller and Bragg are supposed to be tough cookies but I don’t think either of them made contact with anyone on that play.

In general, footwork (or lack of it) seems to be a challenge for this OL.

RE: The teeth of the schedule - Goose - 09-26-2021

(09-26-2021, 01:59 PM)gailtate Wrote: Oregon is, absolutely. And get ready for big-time arse-whuppin' this week.

I am not willing to grant such an accolade at this point. Their victory over tOSU looks less impressive every day given how tOSU has played. Oregon has tons of talent. If they play together and concentrate they will be great. In the past they have managed not to do that. One bad game will do them in, so until they show they have the character to play 12 games like a CFP caliber school, they aren't.