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RE: I'm old - Phogge - 07-07-2022
What I remember most about '59 was Cactus Jack trying to rush the FG team in to tie it up and the clock reading 0:00. On the way home Don Klein on the post game show saying that Norman threw for 401. Amazing. This was an era when 200 yards passing was a huuge thing.
RE: I'm old - cardcrimson - 07-07-2022
I'm not as old, apparently. My first Stanford game was the 1975 Big Game. Muncie annihilated Stanford, though Joe Roth was very impressive much of that season and the first half of the next. Joe was one of the two best QBs I've ever seen play, the other being Elway.
Incredible story for those who don't know it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Roth_(American_football)
RE: I'm old - Brickcity - 07-07-2022
(07-07-2022, 04:45 PM)cardcrimson Wrote: I'm not as old, apparently. My first Stanford game was the 1975 Big Game. Muncie annihilated Stanford, though Joe Roth was very impressive much of that season and the first half of the next. Joe was one of the two best QBs I've ever seen play, the other being Elway.
Incredible story for those who don't know it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Roth_(American_football)
Thanks for the link. I'd heard of his name but knew nothing about him. Truly inspirational.
RE: I'm old - chrisk - 07-07-2022
(07-07-2022, 11:50 AM)81alum Wrote: All the discussion about football generating the revenue that is used to operate the non-revenue sports may not actually be true at Stanford--or it may be true to a lesser extent than we think. And losing USC and UCLA is about to make the "football subsidy" theory work less well. The danger is that football will now require its own subsidy, going forward, similar to what happens at many universities.
Yes, football brings in the big TV contract and more gate receipts than any other sport, by far. But football is also more expensive than any other sport, by far. I'd really like to know the break-even point. Considering coaches salaries, player scholarships, travel, facilities upkeep, etc. I'd guess football at Stanford consumes $10-15 million a year. If we were in the SEC and getting $35 million in TV distributions then it would be easy to say that football subsidizes the other sports. But even in good times in the Pac-12 when we were getting $15-20 million a year, football did only a little better than break even. It was hardly generating the bulk of the funds to run the other sports.
I think Stanford--and John Arillaga--just decided to support the other sports. Private donations and operating funds must have been used to run this massive athletics program, and must have done for years--with some modest help from the football "surplus," however much it was. But the Pac 12's lack of success over the last decade means that the budget hit we will take is less than we might expect--since we have already been forced to fund our extensive athletics program without SEC-sized TV revenues.
Getting to Yvonne's original point, I find myself entirely sympathetic with those sentiments. I am older, arriving on campus the same year Bill Walsh did. To me the traditions of college sports are essential to my enjoyment, and the destructive effects of big money on those traditions has been killing my interest.
I'd really prefer that Stanford figures out a way to compete at the highest level while staying true to its values. However, if it comes to it, the Ivy League is filled with tradition, games that start at reasonable times, and intense (if less talented) competition.
The last $ numbers I saw for pre-COVID Stanford football were $30M+ for expenses and $40M+ for revenue.
RE: I'm old - Leftcoast - 07-07-2022
I'm a 41 year fan, matriculating on campus in 1981. Every 5-8 years we predict the end of Stanford football and the "might as well join the Ivies" echo rebounds of the latest failed season. I first heard it in a Daily editorial after Wiggins' dismal 1-10 1983 season. That was followed by Denny Green and Ty Willingham. Every Harris is followed eventually by a Harbaugh. And the echos die down. The lows are bad, the high's rival Everest for fans as they are unexpected and on either extreme we generally beat Cal. Sometimes we beat USC and Oregon too.
Thank God the AD muddled through after 83. If they hadn't we would have missed Walsh 2, Willingham's 100% Big Game victories, Harbaugh's resurgence, his Orange Bowl and his "biggest upset ever", Shaw's Rose Bowls, all the TDs thrown by Stenstrom, Edwards, Husak, Luck, Hogan and Davis. We wouldn't have known either McCaffery and missed both Dalman's. Gerhardt, Taylor, Love and Muster the ball carrier. Heck, I'd have missed the line play of DeCastro, Whitfield, Clark and all the Stanford Tight Ends that followed plus so, so many others.
So, let's figure it out. At Stanford a little moaning and grumbling is expected ... but then we figure it out. It's what we do. It's what separates us from the eternal mope-fest that is Berkeley where they always act like Holmoe is back for his 35th consecutive year. In Palo Alto Borgs and Stepfords wear themselves out, call a truce here and eventually figure it out. We're not Cal.
As a muse, who was clearly on a roll, cheered "What did you say? OVER? .... Was it OVER when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?" And they figured it out (sort of).
He clearly hadn't gone to Cal.
RE: I'm old - yvonne - 07-07-2022
(07-07-2022, 06:55 PM)Leftcoast Wrote: I'm a 41 year fan, matriculating on campus in 1981. Every 5-8 years we predict the end of Stanford football and the "might as well join the Ivies" echo rebounds again. I first heard it in Daily editorial after Wiggins' dismal 1-10 1983 season. That was followed by Denny Green and Ty Willingham.
Green followed Jack Elway. Willingham followed Walsh II.
RE: I'm old - cardcrimson - 07-07-2022
(07-07-2022, 06:39 PM)chrisk Wrote: The last $ numbers I saw for pre-COVID Stanford football were $30M+ for expenses and $40M+ for revenue.
Wait. What?!? Shaw's $9 million payout was about a third of our overall expenses and a quarter of our overall revenue? Good heavens. . . .
RE: I'm old - gailtate - 07-08-2022
(07-07-2022, 02:52 PM)Goose Wrote:(07-07-2022, 01:50 PM)gailtate Wrote: Big-time football has/had always been a fragile enterprise on The Farm. R.I.P.Agree with this statement. However, one has to note that this is not the first time such a statement has been made. The football program had to return from being fully dead once and the number of epitaphs written over the years is large. I think the truth is nobody knows what will be true three years from now, so I am not as pessimistic about football surviving. "Big-time" is another issue, but even that is malleable.
Point taken. But i still wish Bernie would leave the building.
RE: I'm old - Goose - 07-08-2022
(07-08-2022, 06:28 AM)gailtate Wrote:I generally agree Bernie hasn't been a "good" AD on many levels. The current situation is probably a difficult one for all 10 remaining ADs. It would be great if the Office of the President would step in and replace Bernie with "someone better". I think the odds of that happening were minuscule before the departure of UCLA and U$C and are even less now. Who (that is "any good") is looking for a job as an AD in a (PAC-12)-2 school right now? If anyone, who here thinks MTL could find them? Obviously, my answers are nobody and no.(07-07-2022, 02:52 PM)Goose Wrote:(07-07-2022, 01:50 PM)gailtate Wrote: Big-time football has/had always been a fragile enterprise on The Farm. R.I.P.Agree with this statement. However, one has to note that this is not the first time such a statement has been made. The football program had to return from being fully dead once and the number of epitaphs written over the years is large. I think the truth is nobody knows what will be true three years from now, so I am not as pessimistic about football surviving. "Big-time" is another issue, but even that is malleable.
Point taken. But i still wish Bernie would leave the building.
RE: I'm old - gailtate - 07-08-2022
(07-08-2022, 07:12 AM)Goose Wrote:(07-08-2022, 06:28 AM)gailtate Wrote:I generally agree Bernie hasn't been a "good" AD on many levels. The current situation is probably a difficult one for all 10 remaining ADs. It would be great if the Office of the President would step in and replace Bernie with "someone better". I think the odds of that happening were minuscule before the departure of UCLA and U$C and are even less now. Who (that is "any good") is looking for a job as an AD in a (PAC-12)-2 school right now? If anyone, who here thinks MTL could find them? Obviously, my answers are nobody and no.(07-07-2022, 02:52 PM)Goose Wrote:(07-07-2022, 01:50 PM)gailtate Wrote: Big-time football has/had always been a fragile enterprise on The Farm. R.I.P.Agree with this statement. However, one has to note that this is not the first time such a statement has been made. The football program had to return from being fully dead once and the number of epitaphs written over the years is large. I think the truth is nobody knows what will be true three years from now, so I am not as pessimistic about football surviving. "Big-time" is another issue, but even that is malleable.
Point taken. But i still wish Bernie would leave the building.
Yup. And I still wish the Ineffectual Bern would up and leave. I will forever associate him with The Great Decline. Oh, and futility. Except for fluffing up his and Shaw's net worth(s).
RE: I'm old - winflop - 07-08-2022
(07-08-2022, 07:12 AM)Goose Wrote:(07-08-2022, 06:28 AM)gailtate Wrote:I generally agree Bernie hasn't been a "good" AD on many levels. The current situation is probably a difficult one for all 10 remaining ADs. It would be great if the Office of the President would step in and replace Bernie with "someone better". I think the odds of that happening were minuscule before the departure of UCLA and U$C and are even less now. Who (that is "any good") is looking for a job as an AD in a (PAC-12)-2 school right now? If anyone, who here thinks MTL could find them? Obviously, my answers are nobody and no.(07-07-2022, 02:52 PM)Goose Wrote:(07-07-2022, 01:50 PM)gailtate Wrote: Big-time football has/had always been a fragile enterprise on The Farm. R.I.P.Agree with this statement. However, one has to note that this is not the first time such a statement has been made. The football program had to return from being fully dead once and the number of epitaphs written over the years is large. I think the truth is nobody knows what will be true three years from now, so I am not as pessimistic about football surviving. "Big-time" is another issue, but even that is malleable.
Point taken. But i still wish Bernie would leave the building.
I doubt anyone worth hiring would take the job amidst the current state of confounding & confusion. We need to find a conference home and some stability for the program before replacing arguably the most incompetent AD in our history. Yes, Bernie's that bad.
RE: I'm old - TonyLima - 07-08-2022
(07-08-2022, 12:44 PM)winflop Wrote:(07-08-2022, 07:12 AM)Goose Wrote:(07-08-2022, 06:28 AM)gailtate Wrote:I generally agree Bernie hasn't been a "good" AD on many levels. The current situation is probably a difficult one for all 10 remaining ADs. It would be great if the Office of the President would step in and replace Bernie with "someone better". I think the odds of that happening were minuscule before the departure of UCLA and U$C and are even less now. Who (that is "any good") is looking for a job as an AD in a (PAC-12)-2 school right now? If anyone, who here thinks MTL could find them? Obviously, my answers are nobody and no.(07-07-2022, 02:52 PM)Goose Wrote:(07-07-2022, 01:50 PM)gailtate Wrote: Big-time football has/had always been a fragile enterprise on The Farm. R.I.P.Agree with this statement. However, one has to note that this is not the first time such a statement has been made. The football program had to return from being fully dead once and the number of epitaphs written over the years is large. I think the truth is nobody knows what will be true three years from now, so I am not as pessimistic about football surviving. "Big-time" is another issue, but even that is malleable.
Point taken. But i still wish Bernie would leave the building.
I doubt anyone worth hiring would take the job amidst the current state of confounding & confusion. We need to find a conference home and some stability for the program before replacing arguably the most incompetent AD in our history. Yes, Bernie's that bad.
Don’t forget that Muir went along with the proposal to eliminate 11 varsity sports.
RE: I'm old - Leftcoast - 07-08-2022
RE: Bernard and sports elimination
On the other hand, if we end up as an independent or with most games on the East Coast finding our way in a sports ecosystem driven only by football then THAT decision begins to look better. The Pac-12/Pac-10 days will look like a long lost time in Shangri-La for the all but the big 3 sports. The NCAA under Mark Emmert has a lot to answer for as well.
RE: I'm old - Alvin - 07-10-2022
Let's face it, college football as we know it is over.
Great memories, fun times, memorable victories for a lifetime...but for me, the almost cancellation of the 2020 season, the "show me your papers" attendance policy, and wokeness ruined it for me. I stopped attending and paying attention the last two seasons to all sports, not just Stanford, cancelled my cable and really don't feel like I missed out on much except the 2022 baseball season.
From my earliest childhood memories, I'll always remember in attendance for: Big Game '78 (Darren Nelson reversing field for a TD), UCLA '79 (Naber's 56 yard game winning FG), '82 UW (Elway and Vinny White punt return for TD), '90 Big Game (9 points in like 12 seconds, revenge of the Play), '91 at USC (Stenstrom to Walsh for game winning TD catch, Milburn key 4th down run on final drive, USC misses potential game tying FG at end, beer served in stadium, drunk), '91 Big Game (TD Tommy), '92 USC (Lynch the Impaler), '01 Oregon (Fasani goes down, Lewis to Johnson, on-side kick, crazy win), '12 Oregon (Ertz catch, Williamson game winning FG, solid defense), and a few recent ones.
RE: I'm old - Mick - 07-10-2022
(07-10-2022, 01:28 AM)ajpaly Wrote: Let's face it, college football as we know it is over.
Great memories, fun times, memorable victories for a lifetime...but for me, the almost cancellation of the 2020 season, the "show me your papers" attendance policy, and wokeness ruined it for me. I stopped attending and paying attention the last two seasons to all sports, not just Stanford, cancelled my cable and really don't feel like I missed out on much except the 2022 baseball season.
From my earliest childhood memories, I'll always remember in attendance for: Big Game '78 (Darren Nelson reversing field for a TD), UCLA '79 (Naber's 56 yard game winning FG), '82 UW (Elway and Vinny White punt return for TD), '90 Big Game (9 points in like 12 seconds, revenge of the Play), '91 at USC (Stenstrom to Walsh for game winning TD catch, Milburn key 4th down run on final drive, USC misses potential game tying FG at end, beer served in stadium, drunk), '91 Big Game (TD Tommy), '92 USC (Lynch the Impaler), '01 Oregon (Fasani goes down, Lewis to Johnson, on-side kick, crazy win), '12 Oregon (Ertz catch, Williamson game winning FG, solid defense), and a few recent ones.
I worked backstage crew with Vince White for one of Huey Lewis' first large conference (he sold out Toso, we squeezed 6,000 in there). He was a really good guy. Liked him immensely.
RE: I'm old - Alvin - 07-11-2022
(07-10-2022, 10:20 PM)Mick Wrote:(07-10-2022, 01:28 AM)ajpaly Wrote: Let's face it, college football as we know it is over.
Great memories, fun times, memorable victories for a lifetime...but for me, the almost cancellation of the 2020 season, the "show me your papers" attendance policy, and wokeness ruined it for me. I stopped attending and paying attention the last two seasons to all sports, not just Stanford, cancelled my cable and really don't feel like I missed out on much except the 2022 baseball season.
From my earliest childhood memories, I'll always remember in attendance for: Big Game '78 (Darren Nelson reversing field for a TD), UCLA '79 (Naber's 56 yard game winning FG), '82 UW (Elway and Vinny White punt return for TD), '90 Big Game (9 points in like 12 seconds, revenge of the Play), '91 at USC (Stenstrom to Walsh for game winning TD catch, Milburn key 4th down run on final drive, USC misses potential game tying FG at end, beer served in stadium, drunk), '91 Big Game (TD Tommy), '92 USC (Lynch the Impaler), '01 Oregon (Fasani goes down, Lewis to Johnson, on-side kick, crazy win), '12 Oregon (Ertz catch, Williamson game winning FG, solid defense), and a few recent ones.
I worked backstage crew with Vince White for one of Huey Lewis' first large conference (he sold out Toso, we squeezed 6,000 in there). He was a really good guy. Liked him immensely.
Funny you bring up Vincent White. Great guy. Hope he's doing well. My mom used to work at Stanford with his girlfriend at the time (during college) named Sydney (I think that was her name) and Vinny and Sydney came over our place for dinner before his senior year. I was a young kid at the time and in awe of him as he sat next to me at the dinner table with his thick biceps and I asked a lot of questions. Stubby VW.