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RE: SHAW QUITS! - Farm93 - 11-27-2022
(11-27-2022, 04:04 AM)Austroturf Wrote:1a) Paying for the coach (and staff)(11-27-2022, 03:48 AM)JustAnotherFan Wrote: I wish Shaw well on his next thing. I would not be surprised if he just stayed on at Stanford University (not football) in some very comfortable fundraising or outreach role. This was overdue and I now have some hope that Stanford can return to the Harbaugh / early Shaw days.
Don't hold your breath! The challenges ahead include:
1) Finding a coach (and staff) that can execute the turnaround
2) Retaining what little talent is left on the team
3) Recruiting new talent to join them
4) Navigating the NIL and portal complexities
Even if we find another JH, there are innumerable pieces to fix and new elements in the football landscape to figure out, including the uncertain fate of the Pac-12. But maybe we will get lucky again and can celebrate a return to relevance after 3 seasons. If it happens any faster than that, it will be a miracle. It may, in fact, never happen again if Stanford cannot figure out how to navigate the NIL and the portal.
1b) Getting the Stanford community to accept that salary reality even if a small number of billionaires are paying the bill.
FWIW1 - Happy that coach Shaw didn't wait for Muir to fire him in ~2028.
FWIW2 - Really wish Haase would see the light too as I think Muir will let him stay for several more years. (sigh)
RE: SHAW QUITS! - Austroturf - 11-27-2022
(11-27-2022, 06:25 AM)Farm93 Wrote:(11-27-2022, 04:04 AM)Austroturf Wrote:1a) Paying for the coach (and staff)(11-27-2022, 03:48 AM)JustAnotherFan Wrote: I wish Shaw well on his next thing. I would not be surprised if he just stayed on at Stanford University (not football) in some very comfortable fundraising or outreach role. This was overdue and I now have some hope that Stanford can return to the Harbaugh / early Shaw days.
Don't hold your breath! The challenges ahead include:
1) Finding a coach (and staff) that can execute the turnaround
2) Retaining what little talent is left on the team
3) Recruiting new talent to join them
4) Navigating the NIL and portal complexities
Even if we find another JH, there are innumerable pieces to fix and new elements in the football landscape to figure out, including the uncertain fate of the Pac-12. But maybe we will get lucky again and can celebrate a return to relevance after 3 seasons. If it happens any faster than that, it will be a miracle. It may, in fact, never happen again if Stanford cannot figure out how to navigate the NIL and the portal.
1b) Getting the Stanford community to accept that salary reality even if a small number of billionaires are paying the bill.
FWIW1 - Happy that coach Shaw didn't wait for Muir to fire him in ~2028.
FWIW2 - Really wish Haase would see the light too as I think Muir will let him stay for several more years. (sigh)
Thanks for the additions. There are certainly other details that need to be added. If I look at USC's rise to prominence this year, the university ticked all those boxes in grand fashion -- and in a way Stanford either cannot do or does not want to do. No, Stanford does not want to be USC. But replicating our years of ascendancy vs. the Trojans (2009-2018) will require a lot more creativity than we have thus far shown.
RE: SHAW QUITS! - OutsiderFan - 11-27-2022
As someone who has been critical of David Shaw for some time, I have a great deal of respect for him to make this move. While it seems hard to believe he totally on his own this week decided "it was time" as I just saw he said in his presser, stepping down - as opposed to being fired - really helps Stanford and demonstrates the love he has for the university and the trust involved between him and the university as his employer.
Most importantly, the fact Shaw is stepping down means there is no costly buyout. And with the mediocrity accepted from the MBB Head Coach, whoever takes the job knows they will get a long leash, which should increase the job's appeal at least a little bit.
Of course, Shaw also made news in the presser by effectively confirming Stanford will be participating in the transfer portal in a way it has yet to do, and that so many have been clamoring to do. This too should make the job more attractive to top candidates.
Should be fun to participate in the coaching carousel discussion thread as it develops. Stanford fans haven't really seen an open market Football coaching search since Harbaugh was hired. Seems like a lot longer than 15 years ago too.
RE: SHAW QUITS! - Maple Leaf - 11-27-2022
(11-27-2022, 06:03 AM)81alum Wrote:(11-27-2022, 04:03 AM)Snorlax94 Wrote: I wish I had been the one to start this thread, because the correct title — as in the email from the Athletic Dept — is “Thank you, Coach David Shaw.”Well said, Snorlax.
Now is a great time to reflect on the incredible accomplishments during Coach Shaw’s tenure, including becoming the winningest coach in Stanford history and delivering two Rose Bowl victories.
During an era of scandals in sports, Coach Shaw delivered extraordinary accomplishments while constantly reaching to do things the right way, making a greater impact on society as a whole, and contributing to the excellence and reputation of the university he loves.
It is no surprise to me that even his departure was done in a way that is best for the university — starting the process of a new search at an optimal time, with no drama or scandal.
When the news was announced that Stanford would be modifying its processes to accommodate the realities of the transport portal, some viewed it as a cynical ploy for Shaw to cling on, but I think it is clearer now that, until his last day, he was taking steps to make the program stronger regardless of who leads it next.
Of course I would love for an even greater era to lie ahead in Stanford’s future, but I can’t imagine a greater run than Shaw’s — when I consider both what he accomplished and how he did things.
Thank you, Coach David Shaw!
It is the end of an era; that era included a few increasingly bad years at the end, but many good years at the beginning. In fact, the best years in Stanford football history. I had many more games of enjoyment than of frustration under Shaw.
David Shaw must have decided to leave some time ago, given the prepared statements and the timing immediately after the last game. In that last presser when he discussed changes to NIL and transfer, when he said the focus was on trying to send the seniors out on a win...he knew. Even in his departure, David Shaw was attempting to do what was best for the long term future of Stanford football and his student-athletes.
So I do say "thank you" to David Shaw--genuinely felt. Thank you for being a principled and ethical representative of my alma mater. Thank you for bringing our program to its most successful stretch in program history. And thank you for departing in a classy way.
Coach Shaw's departure reminds me of Bill Walsh's decision to step down. Both have made great contributions to Stanford, both on and off the football field for which Stanford is better for.
RE: SHAW QUITS! - BigJohn043 - 11-27-2022
(11-27-2022, 07:01 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: As someone who has been critical of David Shaw for some time, I have a great deal of respect for him to make this move. While it seems hard to believe he totally on his own this week decided "it was time" as I just saw he said in his presser, stepping down - as opposed to being fired - really helps Stanford and demonstrates the love he has for the university and the trust involved between him and the university as his employer.
Most importantly, the fact Shaw is stepping down means there is no costly buyout. And with the mediocrity accepted from the MBB Head Coach, whoever takes the job knows they will get a long leash, which should increase the job's appeal at least a little bit.
Of course, Shaw also made news in the presser by effectively confirming Stanford will be participating in the transfer portal in a way it has yet to do, and that so many have been clamoring to do. This too should make the job more attractive to top candidates.
Should be fun to participate in the coaching carousel discussion thread as it develops. Stanford fans haven't really seen an open market Football coaching search since Harbaugh was hired. Seems like a lot longer than 15 years ago too.
Do we know that there is no buyout?
RE: SHAW QUITS! - Maple Leaf - 11-27-2022
(11-27-2022, 01:54 AM)ADPinWDC Wrote:(11-27-2022, 01:46 AM)PVTree Wrote: Is Petersen ready to get back to the sidelines?
No.
Perhaps Dave Clawson from. Wake Forest?
How about Johnson at ORST? They finished 9-3, slapping the Ducks tonight
The Duke head coach is in his first year and they were both successful and entertaining to watch, so there is a bit of hope.
RE: SHAW QUITS! - OutsiderFan - 11-27-2022
(11-27-2022, 07:10 AM)BigJohn043 Wrote:(11-27-2022, 07:01 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: As someone who has been critical of David Shaw for some time, I have a great deal of respect for him to make this move. While it seems hard to believe he totally on his own this week decided "it was time" as I just saw he said in his presser, stepping down - as opposed to being fired - really helps Stanford and demonstrates the love he has for the university and the trust involved between him and the university as his employer.
Most importantly, the fact Shaw is stepping down means there is no costly buyout. And with the mediocrity accepted from the MBB Head Coach, whoever takes the job knows they will get a long leash, which should increase the job's appeal at least a little bit.
Of course, Shaw also made news in the presser by effectively confirming Stanford will be participating in the transfer portal in a way it has yet to do, and that so many have been clamoring to do. This too should make the job more attractive to top candidates.
Should be fun to participate in the coaching carousel discussion thread as it develops. Stanford fans haven't really seen an open market Football coaching search since Harbaugh was hired. Seems like a lot longer than 15 years ago too.
Do we know that there is no buyout?
Well, if there is, it would be difficult for Shaw to claim he is stepping down on his own, without any pushing from his employer whatsoever. If Shaw is stepping down on his own as he claims, he isn't being fired and voluntarily giving up his compensation.
He did say there would be another presser this week, so perhaps the reporters will get some clarity on this point from Shaw or Muir.
RE: SHAW QUITS! - BobK - 11-27-2022
Of course there’s a buy out. Why in the world wouldn’t there be ? no doubt Shaw worked something out. It was time to quit but to imply Shaw is beyond stupid is crazy
RE: SHAW QUITS! - washingtonismoney - 11-27-2022
End of an era -- as we give it time, I suspect much of the animus will dissipate and we'll remember the Gaffneys, Stepfans, McCaffreys and so on...the wins over Oregon... the steamroller grind that his best teams had.
RE: SHAW QUITS! - OutsiderFan - 11-27-2022
(11-27-2022, 07:40 AM)BobK Wrote: Of course there’s a buy out. Why in the world wouldn’t there be ? no doubt Shaw worked something out. It was time to quit but to imply Shaw is beyond stupid is crazy
No, insulting the intelligence of the reporters assembled to hear him speak in the wee hours of the morning, by claiming the decision was "totally my own" and bristling at the suggestion from a reporter that there "was a final straw" while also claiming totally transparency, is crazy.
Shaw even threw in there that "2 weeks ago I wasn't thinking this" yet a week later, he claims to have just on his own concluded "it was time" to step down? Something triggered him, and if he got a buyout, it was his employer. But Shaw could not bring himself to even say "it was a mutual decision between me and the university," let alone say what triggered the decision - which would clarify the buyout situation - when asked.
How is it so hard to say the decision was mutual? Is David Shaw so proud that he can't admit he was asked to leave?
RE: SHAW QUITS! - gocard14 - 11-27-2022
(11-27-2022, 07:57 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(11-27-2022, 07:40 AM)BobK Wrote: Of course there’s a buy out. Why in the world wouldn’t there be ? no doubt Shaw worked something out. It was time to quit but to imply Shaw is beyond stupid is crazy
No, insulting the intelligence of the reporters assembled to hear him speak in the wee hours of the morning, by claiming the decision was "totally my own" and bristling at the suggestion from a reporter that there "was a final straw" while also claiming totally transparency, is crazy.
Shaw even threw in there that "2 weeks ago I wasn't thinking this" yet a week later, he claims to have just on his own concluded "it was time" to step down? Something triggered him, and if he got a buyout, it was his employer. But Shaw could not bring himself to even say "it was a mutual decision between me and the university," let alone say what triggered the decision - which would clarify the buyout situation - when asked.
How is it so hard to say the decision was mutual? Is David Shaw so proud that he can't admit he was asked to leave?
Because we don’t know that he was? Maybe he knew the writing was on the and truly resigned rather then be fired, even if that meant giving up a buyout. Maybe he resigned and still negotiated a buyout. Maybe Muir offered to choose between a pay cut or being fired and he opted to resign. Maybe he was fired and just given the option to say he resigned.
In any case. Many thanks to David Shaw for some amazing times for Stanford Football. I have great memories from attending 2 Rose bowl victories and even an epic Fiesta bowl loss, which seemed impossible when I arrived at Stanford at the end of the WH era. I too felt it was time for some new blood to change the direction of the program, but appreciate all Shaw did as a Hc and great representative of the university.
RE: SHAW QUITS! - BigJohn043 - 11-27-2022
(11-27-2022, 07:57 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(11-27-2022, 07:40 AM)BobK Wrote: Of course there’s a buy out. Why in the world wouldn’t there be ? no doubt Shaw worked something out. It was time to quit but to imply Shaw is beyond stupid is crazyIs David Shaw so proud that he can't admit he was asked to leave?
Absolutely.
RE: SHAW QUITS! - winflop - 11-27-2022
Woke up this morning to this news and am glad it happened this way. I don't care if it was his decision or mutual or Muir told him to resign. I'm glad he's gone because it means there is hope for the future of the program.
Shaw was a great coach who led the program to heights I think many of us never thought were attainable. But he lost his way and failed to evolve with the changing dynamics of college football both on and off the field. I will try to remember the great years and I will look forward to a new staff who can bring this program back to respectability.
RE: SHAW QUITS! - Hurlburt88 - 11-27-2022
I also am very appreciative of Shaw's contributions to Stanford as a student, athlete, assistant, and ultimately HC. I was thrilled when we hired him and truly reveled in the good years. Even after a couple of bad years I felt he would turn things around, which proved not to be. I do think in the last few years he was playing checkers when we needed him to be playing chess. All the best to him going forward, and all the best for all associated with STanford football going forward!
RE: SHAW QUITS! - Bampa - 11-27-2022
(11-27-2022, 01:55 AM)SkiBum80 Wrote: Wow didn’t see that coming
When I saw him tear up before the game, I was almost certain he was going to resign.
RE: SHAW QUITS! - martyup - 11-27-2022
(11-27-2022, 08:57 AM)Bampa Wrote:(11-27-2022, 01:55 AM)SkiBum80 Wrote: Wow didn’t see that coming
When I saw him tear up before the game, I was almost certain he was going to resign.
Yes, the announcers said he got emotional during the senior night ceremonies.
Thank you Mr. Shaw for leading this team to great heights, creating memories that will last for lifetimes and beyond. And thank you for realizing it was time to step away from the program that you clearly love very much. You are a good man.
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Here is the announcement.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/35119886/david-shaw-resigns-12-seasons-stanford-football-hc
RE: SHAW QUITS! - terry - 11-27-2022
(11-27-2022, 02:59 AM)Austroturf Wrote: However, if Muir is heading up the search for Shaw's successor, I remain worried. I hope Muir gets lots of sound help and advice in vetting all possible candidates.
I'm an optimist, so I'm going to focus on the fact that Muir has made some good hires -- Greg Meehan, Kevin Hambly, David Esquer, Jessica Allister. . . .
RE: SHAW QUITS! - martyup - 11-27-2022
In his announcement, David took the time to praise the team and the players. He said that our team has a lot of potential in its young players. That was classy. Most guys would have made it all about themselves and offered excuses.
Interestingly, he also said that other teams have been illegally trying to entice our players into the transfer portal.
RE: SHAW QUITS! - SamuelMcF - 11-27-2022
(11-27-2022, 09:25 AM)martyup Wrote: Interestingly, he also said that other teams have been illegally trying to entice our players into the transfer portal.
Everyone is doing this, FWIW. Commonly known.
RE: SHAW QUITS! - Goose - 11-27-2022
As usual, I am amazed that so many people on the cardboard know exactly what David Shaw was thinking and when he thought it. As far as a "buyout" goes, we may find out more about any financial arrangements on Monday, but probably we will not. It is quite possible Shaw will accept another position at the University that will pay quite well for a very long time, but not one that would requite them to disclose the salary. That could be quite acceptable to both parties. Naturally, we don't actually have a copy of his contract so we don't know what it actually would require. In theory, if he quits, he could be required to pay the University! Kind of doubt that is what is happening :-).
While I obviously don't know exactly when Shaw decided to quit, I am pretty sure he knew going into this season that things were going to be very tough. He isn't going to stand up in front of the press and say "Yes, I think we will suck this year" but he is a good enough coach to know what his team can't do. He also doesn't exist in a vacuum, despite what others on this board may believe. At the very least, he talks to his players and they surely have expressed at least "concern" about how things have been going the last couple of years. We don't really know how much direct pressure he was under to resign, but I suspect there was some. FWIW, I am fully willing to believe it was primarily his decision and that he went into this season actively contemplating making such a move.