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RE: 2023 Fall Football Practice - old spanish trail - 07-20-2023

Thanks for reminder, and thanks, Bob, for Wendy Rush.

RE: 2023 Fall Football Practice - needle - 07-21-2023

I only half-listened to the Pac media day interviews, but noticed Taylor insisting that four guys are vying for the starting QB job. Probably just coach speak.

It also seemed that Taylor downplayed the likelihood of Stanford going after transfers in numbers comparable to peer schools in the conference. I think he said the program will be built mainly with HS recruits. Of course, this isn't a brobdingnagian surprise. But he seemed more definitive about it than what I recall him saying in the past.

RE: 2023 Fall Football Practice - Langdude - 07-21-2023

(07-21-2023, 10:37 AM)needle Wrote:  I only half-listened to the Pac media day interviews, but noticed Taylor insisting that four guys are vying for the starting QB job. Probably just coach speak.

It also seemed that Taylor downplayed the likelihood of Stanford going after transfers in numbers comparable to peer schools in the conference. I think he said the program will be built mainly with HS recruits. Of course, this isn't a of immense proportions surprise. But he seemed more definitive about it than what I recall him saying in the past.

He's said something similar before, which leads me to believe that his personnel pipeline strategy is to recruit good (if not great) freshmen and build them up physically and schematically over the years, leading to mainly juniors, seniors, and fifth-years as contributors.

This is similar to what we did when we were at our height of competitiveness 10 years ago. I don't think it will be exactly the same - it seems that we are willing to take *some* transfers now - but there is a similar understanding to the glory years of Shaw that, if you cannot recruit ready-to-play blue chippers, then you can recruit smart players that you can develop.

This is, of course, contra what the big-time programs are doing, which carves out a niche for Stanford. I like that there is a strategy in mind that marks Stanford as distinct, and leverages the advantage of getting a Stanford degree for those who hang around.

-m.

RE: 2023 Fall Football Practice - msqueri - 07-21-2023

I don't think the four QB competition line is coach speak in the slightest. It's what I assumed/predicted would be the case and makes sense. None of these QBs has proven anything and there's really no way to know much until they start playing real games. On paper it seems like a bunch of QB2 options and I don't know how the guys will differentiate themselves. For those who doubt that it could really be a four man competition, the person fans would assume is the fourth most likely (Myles Jackson) is more touted than any of the others, more accurate (Taylor’s favorite attribute) in high school, at no disadvantage in practice time/learning the offense compared to the fan favorite Lamson, and one of Taylor’s first signees so maybe some fresh blood/emotional connection. For those concerned about such a young (skipping his senior year of high school) candidate, that raises legitimate maturity questions but in terms of experience it doesn't put him at much of a disadvantage, as amazingly, three of our four QB candidates never played a senior year of high school and the whole group has combined for 31 college pass attempts. There's no experience in this room. Why wouldn't Jackson have a shot? Why would Taylor cut anybody (other than walk-ons Nelson and Mirer) out of the competition? I don't think we know anything about what QB will look like this year.
Regarding Stanford developing a niche of guys staying around for the degree and developing, I hope to see that but we have a long way to go. Under Shaw good players stayed at Stanford less long than good players stayed at football factories. That was a very bad development for our football team. And a big part of the problem is that the Stanford degree can just as easily be a reason for players to leave with a sense of accomplishment as a reason to stay. If you're talking about developing a comparative advantage, getting guys to stay 3-4 years doesn't mean anything, you'd need guys (especially linemen) to stay 4-6 years. What we saw under Shaw is the degree became the reason for being here and players felt like their business was done when the degree was done. That's not going to be a competitive formula in college football.

RE: 2023 Fall Football Practice - Maple Leaf - 07-31-2023

2023 Football Roster - Stanford University Athletics (gostanford.com)

New numerical roster, weights look the same as the spring roster.

RE: 2023 Fall Football Practice - ADPinWDC - 07-31-2023

(07-21-2023, 11:57 AM)Langdude Wrote:  
(07-21-2023, 10:37 AM)needle Wrote:  I only half-listened to the Pac media day interviews, but noticed Taylor insisting that four guys are vying for the starting QB job. Probably just coach speak.

It also seemed that Taylor downplayed the likelihood of Stanford going after transfers in numbers comparable to peer schools in the conference. I think he said the program will be built mainly with HS recruits. Of course, this isn't a of immense proportions surprise. But he seemed more definitive about it than what I recall him saying in the past.

He's said something similar before, which leads me to believe that his personnel pipeline strategy is to recruit good (if not great) freshmen and build them up physically and schematically over the years, leading to mainly juniors, seniors, and fifth-years as contributors.

This is similar to what we did when we were at our height of competitiveness 10 years ago. I don't think it will be exactly the same - it seems that we are willing to take *some* transfers now - but there is a similar understanding to the glory years of Shaw that, if you cannot recruit ready-to-play blue chippers, then you can recruit smart players that you can develop.

This is, of course, contra what the big-time programs are doing, which carves out a niche for Stanford. I like that there is a strategy in mind that marks Stanford as distinct, and leverages the advantage of getting a Stanford degree for those who hang around.

-m.

As of June 19, Taylor knew he had the Mater Dei QB Elijah Brown (#1 in Calif for Fall 2024)... 
Brown brings a quick release, mobility and a 29-1 record as a starter on the #3 team in USA last season.  Winner.  
Might he start in 2025 after a red shirt year, as Andrew Luck did?   Playing at Mater Dei caliber is like a JUCO transer. 
So, there is your "recruit great frosh" strategy.  And Brown might bring a few "highly touteds" with him.  

Mater Dei in Santa Ana, CA comes into Fall 2023 with the #1 ranking in USA, and Brown is a big factor in that ranking.  
https://www.maxpreps.com/news/39PkhyRfxk6M4r1JQln9RA/high-school-football-rankings-california-powerhouse-mater-dei-is-no-1-in-preseason-maxpreps-top-25.htm
On Oct. 13, perennial powers Mater Dei and St. John Bosco clash in SoCal with a dozen college scholarship players on each team.  Elite.

RE: 2023 Fall Football Practice - GK3 - 07-31-2023

(07-31-2023, 05:31 PM)ADPinWDC Wrote:  
(07-21-2023, 11:57 AM)Langdude Wrote:  
(07-21-2023, 10:37 AM)needle Wrote:  I only half-listened to the Pac media day interviews, but noticed Taylor insisting that four guys are vying for the starting QB job. Probably just coach speak.

It also seemed that Taylor downplayed the likelihood of Stanford going after transfers in numbers comparable to peer schools in the conference. I think he said the program will be built mainly with HS recruits. Of course, this isn't a of immense proportions surprise. But he seemed more definitive about it than what I recall him saying in the past.

He's said something similar before, which leads me to believe that his personnel pipeline strategy is to recruit good (if not great) freshmen and build them up physically and schematically over the years, leading to mainly juniors, seniors, and fifth-years as contributors.

This is similar to what we did when we were at our height of competitiveness 10 years ago. I don't think it will be exactly the same - it seems that we are willing to take *some* transfers now - but there is a similar understanding to the glory years of Shaw that, if you cannot recruit ready-to-play blue chippers, then you can recruit smart players that you can develop.

This is, of course, contra what the big-time programs are doing, which carves out a niche for Stanford. I like that there is a strategy in mind that marks Stanford as distinct, and leverages the advantage of getting a Stanford degree for those who hang around.

-m.

As of June 19, Taylor knew he had the Mater Dei QB Elijah Brown (#1 in Calif for Fall 2024)... 
Brown brings a quick release, mobility and a 29-1 record as a starter on the #3 team in USA last season.  Winner.  
Might he start in 2025 after a red shirt year, as Andrew Luck did?   Playing at Mater Dei caliber is like a JUCO transer. 
So, there is your "recruit great frosh" strategy.  And Brown might bring a few "highly touteds" with him.  

Mater Dei in Santa Ana, CA comes into Fall 2023 with the #1 ranking in USA, and Brown is a big factor in that ranking.  
https://www.maxpreps.com/news/39PkhyRfxk6M4r1JQln9RA/high-school-football-rankings-california-powerhouse-mater-dei-is-no-1-in-preseason-maxpreps-top-25.htm
On Oct. 13, perennial powers Mater Dei and St. John Bosco clash in SoCal with a dozen college scholarship players on each team.  Elite.

One thing that stood out to me in interview with Taylor is that he places a priority on the accuracy of the QB.  My guess is that whoever starts will be the QB who is the most accurate.  I see his system very dependent on getting the ball into the hands of someone who can catch it and run with it, be it running back, TE, or some other receiver.  That would also seem to mean that the receivers who play are those who catch the ball most consistently.  Taylor has turned players no one has ever heard of into record breakers. I see the big focus this fall being finding a QB who throws the most catchable ball with accuracy. It would be nice if that QB could also run, and at least a couple of ours can do that.