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Re: Gentlemen, start your speculation engines! - 97fan - 07-21-2013
On Shaw-to-the-NFL speculation:
I was recently re-watching the Oregon-Stanford game. At some point early in the game Brent Musberger raised the idea of Shaw as an NFL candidate. OK, fine, Brent, you've made your point -- you think Shaw is a good coach. Then later in the game Musberger starts to discuss the idea again -- before he abruptly stops himself, or perhaps a producer tells him to shut up.
This kind of speculation will continue as long as Stanford continues to be an elite program. And what drives the speculation is not Stanford's history of losing its successful coaches. Or, at least, that's not the primary factor. What drives the speculation is the fact that there would in fact be lots of interest from the NFL if Shaw decided he wanted to leave Stanford. Nick Saban still gets discussed all the time as an NFL candidate, and that's because lots of NFL teams would line up to hire that guy if he ever decides to leave Tuscaloosa.
In the KNBR interview, I was heartened by the specificity of Shaw's remarks. He can't know where he's going to be in his life 20 years from now. But he basically said, look, I recently turned down NFL overtures. And for the foreseeable future, and certainly for the time that any player I'm currently recruiting would be on campus, I'm staying at Stanford.
Re: Gentlemen, start your speculation engines! - CowboyIndian - 07-21-2013
(07-21-2013, 12:21 PM)97fan link Wrote:Nick Saban still gets discussed all the time as an NFL candidate,
Not by the Dolphins. I haven't heard this speculation. Do tell.
Re: Gentlemen, start your speculation engines! - 97fan - 07-21-2013
The fact that Saban flamed out with the Dolphins doesn't prove that he can't coach in the NFL. Pete Carroll flamed out with the Jets before later having success as an NFL head coach. Bill Belichick had a sub-.500 record with the Browns before becoming the most successful pro football coach of the last decade.
Here's an example of the unending speculation about whether Saban will return to the NFL:
http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls12/story/_/id/8825366/nick-saban-alabama-crimson-tide-peace-college-nfl-not-plans
Quote:Saban, speaking a day after his Alabama Crimson Tide won the BCS national title for the third time in four years with a 42-14 win over Notre Dame, emphatically sought to end speculation that he might return to the NFL.
"How many times do you think I've been asked to put it to rest?" Saban said. "And I've put it to rest, and you continue to ask it. So I'm going to say it today, that -- you know, I think somewhere along the line you've got to choose."
Re: Gentlemen, start your speculation engines! - estephan500 - 07-22-2013
I think part of David Shaw is a personality that is not overwhelmingly about "football." I think that if you transplant him into many other teams, where there is not a narrative about broad excellence, broad personal growth, then he would not be happy. So -- at the very least -- that really narrows down the teams that he would consider going to.Â
That is the analysis that I have placed on top of my partial taking of his initial comments saying "I want to be at Stanford forever" at face value. Because I think it can partially be taken at face value. I will feel more genuinely surprised if I am proved blatantly wrong in believing that from Shaw than from some other "win at football guy" like Harbaugh.
(I admit I am not sure what "partially taking something at face value" means. Taking it for face value, but at 85 cents on the dollar?)
Re: Gentlemen, start your speculation engines! - JohnR34231 - 07-22-2013
(07-22-2013, 02:50 AM)estephan link Wrote:I think part of David Shaw is a personality that is not overwhelmingly about "football." I think that if you transplant him into many other teams, where there is not a narrative about broad excellence, broad personal growth, then he would not be happy. So -- at the very least -- that really narrows down the teams that he would consider going to.Â
That is the analysis that I have placed on top of my partial taking of his initial comments saying "I want to be at Stanford forever" at face value. Because I think it can partially be taken at face value. I will feel more genuinely surprised if I am proved blatantly wrong in believing that from Shaw than from some other "win at football guy" like Harbaugh.
(I admit I am not sure what "partially taking something at face value" means. Taking it for face value, but at 85 cents on the dollar?)
I agree. When Shaw says he wants to stay "forever" I interpret that to mean he will probably be around for a few more years.
When other coaches say that, I interpret that to mean until a good NFL offer comes up.
Put another way, I take it with a grain of salt, but a much smaller grain of salt than I take similar proclamations from other coaches.