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Re: Recruiting class rankings - slide - 02-07-2014

i'm not sure Sark is an upgrade.  i feel for him having to follow Tyrone but its not like he set UW on fire.


Re: Recruiting class rankings - BostonCard - 02-07-2014

Kiffin = low bar

Bc


Re: Recruiting class rankings - slide - 02-08-2014

(02-07-2014, 10:09 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:Kiffin = low bar

Bc

agree on the low bar, but it will still be a tall one for Sark given his current D-1 track record.

and on the subject, the quality of coaches in the Pac-12 is definitely trending upward. 

UW -- Tyrone to Petersen -- up arrow (can anything be more extreme?)
WSU -- Wulff to Leach -- up arrow
UO -- Bellotti to Helfrich -- up arrow (but early)
OSU -- Riley -- same
Cal -- Tedfurd to Dykes -- down arrow (keep working it Sandy!)
Stanford -- Wlat to Shaw -- up arrow (bested only by UW in extreme turnaround?)
Utah -- Whittingham -- same
Colorado -- Hawkins to McIntyre -- up arrow
UA -- Stoops to RichRod -- up arrow
ASU -- Koetter to Graham -- up arrow
UCLA -- Dorrell to Mora -- up arrow
USC -- Kiffin to Sark -- down arrow?


Re: Recruiting class rankings - Kathy - 02-09-2014

Petersen is untested at UW, so I would say our turnaround is the most extreme in the Pac-12 at this point.



Genuine question - Mick - 02-09-2014

(02-07-2014, 03:26 PM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:[quote author=FarmBoy link=topic=9514.msg83482#msg83482 date=1391811057]
The man is nothing, not consistent. After going 4-5 his first year, in the league, he went 5-4 the last 4. And supposedly with better squads each year (as TW's players were replaced by his.) If that's not a red flag of mediocrity, I don't know what is. Clearly, he did something right early on to to turn things around so quickly, but that program wasn't going anywhere the past 3 years, it seems.

TO BE FAIR to Sarkisian, the Pac-12 steadily improved (more or less) throughout his tenure. TO BE UNFAIR to Sarkisian, that's not a great sign: your second derivative should be better.
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Here's something I've never been able to figure out.  How do mediocrities keep getting hired?  Seriously?  Sark as USC coach after his .500 program at UW?  I don't understand...does he have pictures? 


One needed change - Redrum - 02-09-2014

A contender for steepest arrow:  Arizona.  You needed to baseline where things were really, really BAD:  Mad John Mackovic,  He made Stoops look absolutely suburban normal.


Re: Genuine question - JohnR34231 - 02-09-2014

(02-09-2014, 10:40 AM)Mick link Wrote:[quote author=washingtonismoney link=topic=9514.msg83486#msg83486 date=1391811989]
[quote author=FarmBoy link=topic=9514.msg83482#msg83482 date=1391811057]
The man is nothing, not consistent. After going 4-5 his first year, in the league, he went 5-4 the last 4. And supposedly with better squads each year (as TW's players were replaced by his.) If that's not a red flag of mediocrity, I don't know what is. Clearly, he did something right early on to to turn things around so quickly, but that program wasn't going anywhere the past 3 years, it seems.

TO BE FAIR to Sarkisian, the Pac-12 steadily improved (more or less) throughout his tenure. TO BE UNFAIR to Sarkisian, that's not a great sign: your second derivative should be better.
[/quote]

Here's something I've never been able to figure out.  How do mediocrities keep getting hired?  Seriously?  Sark as University of Spoiled Children  coach after his .500 program at UW?  I don't understand...does he have pictures?

I think Haden is a pretty straight arrow so I doubt if he does. After the probation fiasco with Carroll I don't think U$C is considered the plum job it once was. Sark may have been the best available.



Re: Recruiting class rankings - BostonCard - 02-09-2014

(02-08-2014, 08:28 AM)slide link Wrote:[quote author=Boston Card link=topic=9514.msg83520#msg83520 date=1391836149]
Kiffin = low bar

Bc

agree on the low bar, but it will still be a tall one for Sark given his current D-1 track record.

and on the subject, the quality of coaches in the Pac-12 is definitely trending upward. 

UW -- Tyrone to Petersen -- up arrow (can anything be more extreme?)
WSU -- Wulff to Leach -- up arrow
UO -- Bellotti to Helfrich -- up arrow (but early)
OSU -- Riley -- same
Low APR U -- Tedfurd to Yikes -- down arrow (keep working it Sandy!)
Stanford -- Wlat to Shaw -- up arrow (bested only by UW in extreme turnaround?)
Utah -- Whittingham -- same
Colorado -- Hawkins to McIntyre -- up arrow
UA -- Stoops to RichRod -- up arrow I
ASU -- Koetter to Graham -- up arrow
UCLA -- Dorrell to Mora -- up arrow
University of Spoiled Children  -- Kiffin to Sark -- down arrow?
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A bit elective of your baseline for comparison... For example,belotti to helfrich might have been a row up, but Kelly was in between, and Kelly to helfrih is probably a slight down arrow.  Otherwise you have to compare Sark to Carroll, which is a definite down arrow.

BC


Re: Recruiting class rankings - JohnR34231 - 02-09-2014

(02-07-2014, 03:54 PM)CowboyIndian link Wrote:Plus...Sark is a whining, accusatory dog that I will enjoy watching snivel through post-loss press conferences in LA.

Hey, CI, don't mince words here. How do you really feel about Sark?


Re: Recruiting class rankings - CornFed - 02-09-2014

I am solid w/ CI on this one for sure!


Re: Recruiting class rankings - CowboyIndian - 02-09-2014

I didn't think much about him either way until he started pouting and whining at his post-loss press conference while accusing an injured Ben Gardner of lying down to stop their uptempo offense. He lost me there and I'm actually glad he's ended up at $C. I wouldn't know how to act if they had a coach i actually respected. There will be NO cognitive dissonance for me!


Re: Recruiting class rankings - Trevmiesterj - 02-09-2014

(02-09-2014, 08:52 AM)Kathy link Wrote:Petersen is untested at UW, so I would say our turnaround is the most extreme in the Pac-12 at this point.

I would say the tests for Petersen have begun in earnest.   

http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/69234/huskies-misbehavior-ends-petersens-honeymoon