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Re: Kevin Hogan in the record books - terry - 07-28-2015

(07-28-2015, 01:47 PM)Mick link Wrote:Just for comparison's sake, Colin Kaepernick rushed for 59 TDs at Nevada during his career and passed for 82 TDs.

This made me curious about the Pac-12 record for rushing TDs by a quarterback. I looked at last year's Pac-12 media guide (this year's doesn't seem to be available yet).

Last year's Pac-12 record book lists 19 players with 35 or more career rushing TDs (including Gerhart, Taylor, and Vardell). None of them was a quarterback. So the Pac-12 record for QB rushing TDs apparently is less than 35.

Mariota ended his career with 29 rushing TDs. So he may hold the Pac-12 record for rushing TDs by a QB. Or maybe there's some other QB with a few more.

Re: Kevin Hogan in the record books - BostonCard - 07-28-2015

(07-28-2015, 01:58 PM)CTcard link Wrote:I looked for receiving TDs by these quarterbacks, but I didn't find any. If I missed something, please let me know.

By the way, I don't remember Toby missing Luck. I believe Terrell and Griff Whalen each completed one to Luck.

You are right, Toby's career stats indicate he was 1/1 passing, with 1 18 yard touchdown (against Notre Dame).  He also had 205 yards rushing in the win on my birthday.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=293320024

Here is the pass to Whalen...

https://youtu.be/RzCzj3fdET0?t=3m

also, if you keep watching, you can see the play where Toby absolutely levels the poor ND DB.  One of the all time great performances by a Stanford football player.

BC

Re: Kevin Hogan in the record books - Hurlburt88 - 07-28-2015

Absolutely preposterous highlights!  What memories.  However, I remain infuriated he didn't win the Voldemort, despite our concerted lobbying! 

Re: Kevin Hogan in the record books - Rally - 07-28-2015

(07-28-2015, 04:28 PM)hurlburt88 link Wrote:Absolutely preposterous highlights!  What memories.  However, I remain infuriated he didn't win the Voldemort, despite our concerted lobbying!

Wrong time, wrong ancestry, wrong position., wrong region. He was robbed.  But, then, so was Luck. Twice. Amazing to think about:  we had three Voldemort runners-up in a row.  After 46 years aren't we due a break?

Re: Kevin Hogan in the record books - JJJ - 07-28-2015

(07-28-2015, 04:35 PM)ferrari link Wrote:[quote author=hurlburt88 link=topic=12410.msg122940#msg122940 date=1438126087]
Absolutely preposterous highlights!  What memories.  However, I remain infuriated he didn't win the Voldemort, despite our concerted lobbying!

Wrong time, wrong ancestry, wrong position., wrong region. He was robbed.  But, then, so was Luck. Twice. Amazing to think about:  we had three Voldemort runners-up in a row.  After 46 years aren't we due a break?
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Wait, are you implying this is Hogan's year? Or is this about McCaffrey?  :P

Re: Kevin Hogan in the record books - Rally - 07-28-2015

(07-28-2015, 05:01 PM)JJJ link Wrote:[quote author=ferrari link=topic=12410.msg122943#msg122943 date=1438126514]
[quote author=hurlburt88 link=topic=12410.msg122940#msg122940 date=1438126087]
Absolutely preposterous highlights!  What memories.  However, I remain infuriated he didn't win the Voldemort, despite our concerted lobbying!

Wrong time, wrong ancestry, wrong position., wrong region. He was robbed.  But, then, so was Luck. Twice. Amazing to think about:  we had three Voldemort runners-up in a row.  After 46 years aren't we due a break?
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Wait, are you implying this is Hogan's year? Or is this about McCaffrey?  :P
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Neither.  Hogan will need a miraculous year, with TV highlights, to overcome the perception that he is a placeholder and "the guy who followed Luck."  McCaffrey needs a great year, then next year we can talk.  He's not going to rush for 2,000 yards in our offense, and it would take something like that, plus an astounding performance by the team, to make this year a possibility.  But someday . . . .

Re: Kevin Hogan in the record books - Mick - 07-28-2015

How many TDs did Frankie Albert have?

Re: Kevin Hogan in the record books - winflop - 07-28-2015

(07-28-2015, 02:28 PM)terry link Wrote:From the video, it looks like a UCLA defender had a good angle on Luck and could have stopped Luck from scoring. But with Luck, you never know. Maybe he would have flattened the guy and rumbled into the end zone.

Only if the name Cattouse was on the back

Re: Kevin Hogan in the record books - JJJ - 07-28-2015

(07-28-2015, 01:40 PM)terry link Wrote:[quote author=washingtonismoney link=topic=12410.msg122888#msg122888 date=1438114501]
So Hogan's closing in on the record for most rushing TDs by a QB, no?

Yep.

Career rushing TDs by a QB

10  Plunkett
  9  Brodie
  9  Paye
  9  Hogan
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I find this very surprising, especially in the context of Elway only having 5 rushing TDs, as good a scrambler as he was. I hope Hogan gets atop this list in Evanston.

Re: Kevin Hogan in the record books - BostonCard - 07-28-2015

(07-28-2015, 05:30 PM)ferrari link Wrote:[quote author=JJJ link=topic=12410.msg122945#msg122945 date=1438128099]
[quote author=ferrari link=topic=12410.msg122943#msg122943 date=1438126514]
[quote author=hurlburt88 link=topic=12410.msg122940#msg122940 date=1438126087]
Absolutely preposterous highlights!  What memories.  However, I remain infuriated he didn't win the Voldemort, despite our concerted lobbying!

Wrong time, wrong ancestry, wrong position., wrong region. He was robbed.  But, then, so was Luck. Twice. Amazing to think about:  we had three Voldemort runners-up in a row.  After 46 years aren't we due a break?
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Wait, are you implying this is Hogan's year? Or is this about McCaffrey?  :P
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Neither.  Hogan will need a miraculous year, with TV highlights, to overcome the perception that he is a placeholder and "the guy who followed Luck."  McCaffrey needs a great year, then next year we can talk.  He's not going to rush for 2,000 yards in our offense, and it would take something like that, plus an astounding performance by the team, to make this year a possibility.  But someday . . . .
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Lucky for hogan, he was the guy after the guy who came after Luck. I know we all want to forget Nunes but he was the guy who followed luck. I don't think being "the guy who followed Nunes" is quite the same burden.

BC

Re: Kevin Hogan in the record books - terry - 07-28-2015

(07-28-2015, 05:53 PM)Mick link Wrote:How many TDs did Frankie Albert have?

Stanford's football archives before about 1953 range from woefully inadequate to non-existent.

The available information shows that Frankie Albert threw 16 TD passes. But Stanford doesn't have a total for his rushing TDs. We do know that he had 187 net rushing yards for his career. Sorry, that's the best we can do based on Stanford's archives.

Re: Kevin Hogan in the record books - terry - 07-28-2015

(07-28-2015, 06:07 PM)JJJ link Wrote:I find this very surprising, especially in the context of Elway only having 5 rushing TDs, as good a scrambler as he was.

Elway was a good scrambler, but that didn't translate into a lot of rushing gains. His career rushing total was -279 yards. I think he scrambled looking first to pass, rather than to gain yardage with his legs.

Re: Kevin Hogan in the record books - Rally - 07-28-2015

(07-28-2015, 06:37 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:[quote author=ferrari link=topic=12410.msg122947#msg122947 date=1438129800]
[quote author=JJJ link=topic=12410.msg122945#msg122945 date=1438128099]
[quote author=ferrari link=topic=12410.msg122943#msg122943 date=1438126514]
[quote author=hurlburt88 link=topic=12410.msg122940#msg122940 date=1438126087]
Absolutely preposterous highlights!  What memories.  However, I remain infuriated he didn't win the Voldemort, despite our concerted lobbying!

Wrong time, wrong ancestry, wrong position., wrong region. He was robbed.  But, then, so was Luck. Twice. Amazing to think about:  we had three Voldemort runners-up in a row.  After 46 years aren't we due a break?
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Wait, are you implying this is Hogan's year? Or is this about McCaffrey?  :P
[/quote]. 

Neither.  Hogan will need a miraculous year, with TV highlights, to overcome the perception that he is a placeholder and "the guy who followed Luck."  McCaffrey needs a great year, then next year we can talk.  He's not going to rush for 2,000 yards in our offense, and it would take something like that, plus an astounding performance by the team, to make this year a possibility.  But someday . . . .
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Lucky for hogan, he was the guy after the guy who came after Luck. I know we all want to forget Nunes but he was the guy who followed luck. I don't think being "the guy who followed Nunes" is quite the same burden.

BC
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Correct, but I think the national perception tends to leap over Nunes to Hogan without a blink.  I think if you showed the career totals, most would be unbelieving.


Re: Kevin Hogan in the record books - CornFed - 07-28-2015

(07-28-2015, 10:43 AM)Boston Card link Wrote:Thanks Terry... I knew my past would bait you.  I appreciate the corrections.  The list of stats I found was after 1970, which is how Plunkett got left off *gasp*.

BC

Is it a bit shady?  Or maybe checkered?  :)

Re: Kevin Hogan in the record books - JJJ - 07-29-2015

(07-28-2015, 07:38 PM)terry link Wrote:[quote author=JJJ link=topic=12410.msg122954#msg122954 date=1438132036]

I find this very surprising, especially in the context of Elway only having 5 rushing TDs, as good a scrambler as he was.

Elway was a good scrambler, but that didn't translate into a lot of rushing gains. His career rushing total was -279 yards. I think he scrambled looking first to pass, rather than to gain yardage with his legs.
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Thanks, I did not know that about his career rushing total. I'm probably also projecting is "helicopter touchdown" and other NFL exploits back onto his college career (if he did that in the NFL, surely he also did some cool stuff in college). And I do now recall him seemingly trying to drill the ball THROUGH defenders with his receivers not so far beyond (i.e. he opted for the (extremely hard) pass, even when the receiver wasn't that far away)...

Re: Kevin Hogan in the record books - Stymie - 07-29-2015

I've aced Statistics at both LSJU and LSJU of the East, and agree with the memes of both of "lies, damned lies, and statistics" and that of Justice Potter Stewart re: pornography, i.e "I know it when I see it."

When I played football (HS and LSJU intramurals) I played quarterback and to put Hogan in the same cohort as Plunkett, Elway, Benjamin, etc. is heresy.  Kevin is a very good athlete who plods within a restricted system which focuses on smash mouth football.  He may get into the record books, but if he doesn't do any better this year than he has done in the last 2 1/2 seson, we will be disappointed.

Re: Kevin Hogan in the record books - JJJ - 12-04-2015

(07-28-2015, 05:01 PM)JJJ link Wrote:[quote author=ferrari link=topic=12410.msg122943#msg122943 date=1438126514]
[quote author=hurlburt88 link=topic=12410.msg122940#msg122940 date=1438126087]
Absolutely preposterous highlights!  What memories.  However, I remain infuriated he didn't win the Voldemort, despite our concerted lobbying!

Wrong time, wrong ancestry, wrong position., wrong region. He was robbed.  But, then, so was Luck. Twice. Amazing to think about:  we had three Voldemort runners-up in a row.  After 46 years aren't we due a break?
[/quote]

Wait, are you implying this is Hogan's year? Or is this about McCaffrey?  :P
[/quote]

Prescient discussion, if I say so myself.  8)

Re: Kevin Hogan in the record books - BostonCard - 12-04-2015

(07-28-2015, 05:30 PM)ferrari link Wrote:Neither.  Hogan will need a miraculous year, with TV highlights, to overcome the perception that he is a placeholder and "the guy who followed Luck."  McCaffrey needs a great year, then next year we can talk.  He's not going to rush for 2,000 yards in our offense, and it would take something like that, plus an astounding performance by the team, to make this year a possibility.  But someday . . . .

With two games left, McCaffrey has 1640 yards.  If he averages 180 yards in his last two games, he will, in fact, go for 2000 yards rushing.  Not to mention the 435 yards receiving, 922 yards returning kickoffs and 38 yards returning punts.

BC

Re: Kevin Hogan in the record books - Rally - 12-04-2015

(12-04-2015, 05:56 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:[quote author=ferrari link=topic=12410.msg122947#msg122947 date=1438129800]

Neither.  Hogan will need a miraculous year, with TV highlights, to overcome the perception that he is a placeholder and "the guy who followed Luck."  McCaffrey needs a great year, then next year we can talk.  He's not going to rush for 2,000 yards in our offense, and it would take something like that, plus an astounding performance by the team, to make this year a possibility.  But someday . . . .

With two games left, McCaffrey has 1640 yards.  If he averages 180 yards in his last two games, he will, in fact, go for 2000 yards rushing.  Not to mention the 435 yards receiving, 922 yards returning kickoffs and 38 yards returning punts.

BC
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I would so love that to happen.  Then, adding other all purpose yards he would not only break the record he would demolish it.  Fingers crossed.