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RE: Covid-19 considerations - cardcrimson - 03-10-2020
(03-10-2020, 07:21 PM)BostonCard Wrote: But would it be such a horrible thing if cruise lines were wiped out, and their assets (ships) sold for pennies on the dollar to someone who could resurrect them and run them efficiently, and maybe prepare for the next friggin pandemic?
BC
And in the meantime, the economic impact to the destination communities and those that depend upon the tourism? Places like Alaska, Hawaii, and Puerto Rico would take a serious, serious hit.
RE: Covid-19 considerations - BostonCard - 03-10-2020
(03-10-2020, 09:39 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:(03-10-2020, 07:21 PM)BostonCard Wrote: But would it be such a horrible thing if cruise lines were wiped out, and their assets (ships) sold for pennies on the dollar to someone who could resurrect them and run them efficiently, and maybe prepare for the next friggin pandemic?
BC
And in the meantime, the economic impact to the destination communities and those that depend upon the tourism? Places like Alaska, Hawaii, and Puerto Rico would take a serious, serious hit.
Fair enough. That's why I had written, "The only thing that gives me pause is that the disruption on employees and, secondarily, the wider economy." Still, whether it's this or the financial crisis bailouts (including the auto industry bailout) or the proposed bailout of frackers, I can't help wonder if there is an element of hostage-taking going on. Bail us out or there will be "consequences". Maybe we should just help the affected communities directly instead?
BC
RE: Covid-19 considerations - cardcrimson - 03-10-2020
(03-10-2020, 09:56 PM)BostonCard Wrote:(03-10-2020, 09:39 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:(03-10-2020, 07:21 PM)BostonCard Wrote: But would it be such a horrible thing if cruise lines were wiped out, and their assets (ships) sold for pennies on the dollar to someone who could resurrect them and run them efficiently, and maybe prepare for the next friggin pandemic?
BC
And in the meantime, the economic impact to the destination communities and those that depend upon the tourism? Places like Alaska, Hawaii, and Puerto Rico would take a serious, serious hit.
Fair enough. That's why I had written, "The only thing that gives me pause is that the disruption on employees and, secondarily, the wider economy." Still, whether it's this or the financial crisis bailouts (including the auto industry bailout) or the proposed bailout of frackers, I can't help wonder if there is an element of hostage-taking going on. Bail us out or there will be "consequences". Maybe we should just help the affected communities directly instead?
BC
Agreed on the hostage taking--really don't like the fracking bailout, oddly Pelosi is demanding increased funding for school lunches as part of the package. Can't see how either helps with the virus. . . .Now is not the time to play to one's base.
RE: Covid-19 considerations - 2006alum - 03-10-2020
(03-10-2020, 10:18 PM)cardcrimson Wrote: Agreed on the hostage taking--really don't like the fracking bailout, oddly Pelosi is demanding increased funding for school lunches as part of the package. Can't see how either helps with the virus. . . .Now is not the time to play to one's base.I'm skeptical that your concern on this particular matter is in earnest, but the request is not "for school lunches" but rather to ensure that students who depend on school lunches have enough to eat. Roughly 1/3 of the children in this country depend on free and reduced lunch for at least one of their meals per day, and those meals disappear when school is cancelled. My understanding is that the funding is to ensure that alternatives can be arranged so that those children are fed. Not about "help[ing] with the virus" but instead helping alleviate the effects of it. QED.
RE: Covid-19 considerations - akiddoc - 03-10-2020
Now over 1000 positive tests nation wide. Doubled in 2 days. Only 28 deaths, but expect quite a few more in Washington State.
Testing will be coming on line quickly over the next few days in the USA. Expect the confirmed cases of C-19 to explode over the next 2 weeks.
The federal government should strongly consider sending checks to those families earning less than $60,000 a year. Call it a tax refund if needed. Interest free loans won't cut it when these people will never be able to pay them back. People need to eat. Small business employers won't be able to keep paying their employees if no money is coming in.
RE: Covid-19 considerations - 2006alum - 03-10-2020
I'd be really curious if anyone on this board works in the payments processing industry. I suspect those folks have the best data on how much sales and transactions are down across various industries. Among me and my friends and family, expenses on Amazon, grocery/target/wholesale stores, drug stores, and local (within walking distance) corner-store type retailers have shot through the roof over the past few weeks. All other spending has ground to a halt entirely. In additional to the travel and entertainment industries, I'm especially concerned about all services-related industries -- who's going to get a haircut, pedicure, massage, or restaurant meal out in the midst of this? Those sectors comprise tons of our nation's small businesses, as well as workers who rely heavily on tips to make end's meat. A payroll or corporate tax cut will not solve any of their problems.
RE: Covid-19 considerations - Snorlax94 - 03-10-2020
(03-10-2020, 10:41 PM)2006alum Wrote: I'd be really curious if anyone on this board works in the payments processing industry. I suspect those folks have the best data on how much sales and transactions are down across various industries.I can speak for what I have been seeing in Santa Clara County. I still eat out about 4 times a week, and I can say visitors have been dropping steadily every week. The very best restaurants still have lines out the door for Friday lunch. Other very trendy restaurants have gone from a 30 minute wait to 80% full (ate at Must Be Thai tonight). Our local Boudin has gone from about 1/2 full to about 1/3 full. Now even the shelves of Target are largely empty (Costco was the first one to start selling out).
My concern about suggestions like tax payroll holidays is that they benefit the owners and not employees, they are not targeted so they waste a ton of money, and actually, keeping people artificially employed in the hospitality industry might be a bad thing. I'd rather encourage businesses to furlough employees as necessary, and if a region was declared a special zone (Hawaii, Seattle, Bay Area, NY, so far), then the government should pay double unemployment insurance to furloughed employees, and the period of unemployment payments should be lengthened.
Think about the hotel industry in Hawaii and Vegas -- is it really a good idea to give tons of dollars to hotel owners to keep open at 100% capacity? They will offer bigger and bigger discounts to encourage customers from all over the world. Rather, to reduce the spread of the virus, many hotels and casinos should shut down and others should reduce capacity temporarily, employees should be furloughed, and they should receive greatly increased unemployment benefits during their furlough.
In terms of their waste, at this time, I would think there is very little to no business impact to the vast majority of the United States. In the states with no cases of coronovirus, why would we be sending billions of dollars to those areas? If Kansas has 1 case and Mississippi has 0 cases, do we need to spend billions of dollars there? Plus, with the tax cuts of 2017, the US was already running a deficit of about 1 Trillion Dollars (984B in 2019) with a federal funds rate of 1.75% -- WITHOUT ANY RECESSION, so there are fewer resources and less room now during an emergency, so moreso than usual, any aid or stimulus needs to be targeted and wisely spent.
RE: Stanford Athletics Coronavirus Update March 3rd - Griffins78 - 03-10-2020
(03-10-2020, 05:42 PM)WBB fan Wrote: I really like the Band -- they have so much more personality than most other college bands, a very special and uniquely Stanford part of the athletic picture.The band that plays for basketball and volleyball is very different from the band that plays for football. If you’ve not traveled to tournaments or Final Four with the band you haven’t seen the band that generally wins the battle of the bands as the best band. They’re great. I love the band and so do our teams.
RE: Covid-19 considerations - akiddoc - 03-11-2020
(03-10-2020, 10:41 PM)2006alum Wrote: I'd be really curious if anyone on this board works in the payments processing industry. I suspect those folks have the best data on how much sales and transactions are down across various industries. Among me and my friends and family, expenses on Amazon, grocery/target/wholesale stores, drug stores, and local (within walking distance) corner-store type retailers have shot through the roof over the past few weeks. All other spending has ground to a halt entirely. In additional to the travel and entertainment industries, I'm especially concerned about all services-related industries -- who's going to get a haircut, pedicure, massage, or restaurant meal out in the midst of this? Those sectors comprise tons of our nation's small businesses, as well as workers who rely heavily on tips to make end's meat. A payroll or corporate tax cut will not solve any of their problems.I got my hair cut on Saturday. Only people there were me and the hair cutter. Not too risky.
RE: Covid-19 considerations - OutsiderFan - 03-11-2020
Today, Washington is going to announce a state-wide ban on any gathering larger than 250 people. Yes, it has come to this. WA believes it has at least 1,000 cases on its own and could have 64,000 in six weeks. Nobody thinks the CFR is the concern. It is simply protecting the hospitals from being overwhelmed as they are in Italy right now due to the complication rate regardless of age. It’s nice to see more leaders are getting the word out that this is the reason for such measures. Dr. Cody did a great job explaining this in the SCC presser announcing the 1,000 person gathering ban in Santa Clara County.
I don’t understand why Gov. Cuomo is still allowing people in and out of the New Rochelle. There is a Metro North station there into Grand Central. I fully expect an explosion of cases in the tri-state area as it only takes one infected person to spread this thing like wild fire. If New Rochelle has a cluster of cases and not enough testing, keeping that station open is crazy.
RE: Covid-19 considerations - OutsiderFan - 03-11-2020
This is so predictable and why all events must be cancelled, or we will have no hope to avoid total collapse:
[tweet]https://twitter.com/KRON4WTran/status/1237713565089333248[/tweet]
This is OUTF*CKINGRAGEOUS!!!!
The State of Washington was trying to be proactive and avoid the disaster it now faces. But the CDC got in its way. If only the State of Washington could sue the CDC and file a criminal case against it for negligence. People need to go to prison for this incompetence. The real question is how far up the food chain did the orders come to stop the CDC from helping Washington? There are going to be some Congressional investigations into what is unfolding now, at this time next year, make book on it.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/ByMikeBaker/status/1237555003352469509[/tweet]
RE: Covid-19 considerations - ChicagoCard - 03-11-2020
Not trying to be a jerk, but this is exactly the same message in that article from the Atlantic about the message not flowing upstream to the government. I'm not saying I was right to post the article, I would have taken it down myself if I'd seen the request to do so in time. But this is the same message and now somebody is ranting about it.
RE: Covid-19 considerations - OutsiderFan - 03-11-2020
Even considering taking down an article that speaks these truths is doing ourselves a massive disservice. The reason we are in this disaster right now is because accurate information has been sequestered to protect personal interests at the expense of the many. That goes from China, to Europe, to North America.
Let's not forget, Exxon knew about and denied the risk of carbon emissions in the 1960s, just as the tobacco industry knew smoking causes cancer, etc. Sequestering information is what has led us to the climate crisis we now face, and arguably the health care system in this country being so dysfunctional as a result of so many medical interventions due to smoking-related maladies. Let's not do it yet again with this pandemic. Truth is truth and informs us what actions should and shouldn't be taken. It isn't partisan and isn't political. Denying it or believing in an alternative reality doesn't change actual reality.
The CDC actively thwarted Washington from protecting its citizens. This is a fact. I don't care who is responsible or what political persuasion they are or aren't, or if they are a-political, as long as whoever is responsible pays the price for their negligence. If we can't hold people accountable based on their actions we might as well just live in anarchy and go full Lord of the Flies.
RE: Stanford Athletics Coronavirus Update March 3rd - baymeadows3408 - 03-11-2020
(03-10-2020, 11:46 PM)Griffins78 Wrote:(03-10-2020, 05:42 PM)WBB fan Wrote: I really like the Band -- they have so much more personality than most other college bands, a very special and uniquely Stanford part of the athletic picture.The band that plays for basketball and volleyball is very different from the band that plays for football. If you’ve not traveled to tournaments or Final Four with the band you haven’t seen the band that generally wins the battle of the bands as the best band. They’re great. I love the band and so do our teams.
I like the LSJUMB because they don't submit to the cliches that afflict other marching/pep bands. Their song arrangements maintain the rock and funk fundamentals of the original songs instead of turning them into stilted pseudo-militaristic tunes. They refrain from playing songs like Rock 'n' Roll Part II (popularized by the sex criminal Gary Glitter) or Zombie Nation that every other college band seems to play. The football component of the marching band suffers because Stanford has a small student body and the band basically takes everyone who shows up (instead of the musically gifted). However, I have read accounts from band members about how the band is an emotional refuge for them because it's a place where they can let loose instead of trying to be The Best at everything they do. Students who have been accepted into Stanford have probably been under a lot of pressure to succeed and be elite, but the band is one place where they are allowed to have fun and not worry about meeting some almost impossible standard.
RE: Covid-19 considerations - ChicagoCard - 03-11-2020
Again, not complaining about that article. The distinction was that just a few posts ago Outsider was suggesting there was cause for criticism leveled at governmental leadership in the U.S. Whereas the article in question from a few days (and pages) ago essentially was getting at the idea of negative information not flowing upstream to an authoritative government, and an overall climate of fear of potential reprisals against the messenger. Until a certain point when it did and a strong mobilization did take place. Just clarifying since my post was vague. If this needs removal, please remove asap.
RE: Covid-19 considerations - cardcrimson - 03-11-2020
And it has come to this, hysterics based on a tweet from a guy with a crayon drawn profile pic.
RE: Covid-19 considerations - 2006alum - 03-11-2020
(03-11-2020, 07:50 AM)cardcrimson Wrote: And it has come to this, hysterics based on a tweet from a guy with a crayon drawn profile pic.It's not the tweet that matters, it's the article, which quotes a number of experts in infectious disease. Your version of "hysterics" is most people's dawning reality that life is about the change in fundamental ways for at least the next few months. If you think we're all wildly overreacting, please provide some links from well established authors or institutions for why we may be overreacting. Otherwise, feel free to ignore us.
RE: Covid-19 considerations - cardcrimson - 03-11-2020
(03-11-2020, 08:10 AM)2006alum Wrote:I know full well the fundamental change. I'm considered as higher risk (old, respiratory illness history, hypertension). I've a 13 year old daughter who is very active in sports, dance, and school. Our county has just strongly urged against gatherings of over 50 people, so most of her events will probably be cancelled. Both my wife and I support our family as independent consultants, with our paychecks at the whim of our clients. Those spigots could be turned off by a phone call--a very real probability at the moment.(03-11-2020, 07:50 AM)cardcrimson Wrote: And it has come to this, hysterics based on a tweet from a guy with a crayon drawn profile pic.It's not the tweet that matters, it's the article, which quotes a number of experts in infectious disease. Your version of "hysterics" is most people's dawning reality that life is about the change in fundamental ways for at least the next few months. If you think we're all wildly overreacting, please feel free to ignore us.
Now is not the time to be calling for the tarring and feathering of people in charge or for their heads to be stuck on stakes. Now, more than ever, is the time for rational and swift action.
Feel free to believe in your conspiracies, just don't let the hysteria get in the way of addressing the crisis.
And I quote: "Even considering taking down an article that speaks these truths is doing ourselves a massive disservice. The reason we are in this disaster right now is because accurate information has been sequestered to protect personal interests at the expense of the many. That goes from China, to Europe, to North America.
Let's not forget, Exxon knew about and denied the risk of carbon emissions in the 1960s, just as the tobacco industry knew smoking causes cancer, etc. Sequestering information is what has led us to the climate crisis we now face, and arguably the health care system in this country being so dysfunctional as a result of so many medical interventions due to smoking-related maladies. Let's not do it yet again with this pandemic. Truth is truth and informs us what actions should and shouldn't be taken. It isn't partisan and isn't political. Denying it or believing in an alternative reality doesn't change actual reality.
The CDC actively thwarted Washington from protecting its citizens. This is a fact. I don't care who is responsible or what political persuasion they are or aren't, or if they are a-political, as long as whoever is responsible pays the price for their negligence. If we can't hold people accountable based on their actions we might as well just live in anarchy and go full Lord of the Flies."
And
"This is OUTF*CKINGRAGEOUS!!!!
The State of Washington was trying to be proactive and avoid the disaster it now faces. But the CDC got in its way. If only the State of Washington could sue the CDC and file a criminal case against it for negligence. People need to go to prison for this incompetence. The real question is how far up the food chain did the orders come to stop the CDC from helping Washington? There are going to be some Congressional investigations into what is unfolding now, at this time next year, make book on it.
RE: Covid-19 considerations - stupac2 - 03-11-2020
(03-11-2020, 08:27 AM)cardcrimson Wrote: spickets
Spigots.
And if you don't think that the conduct described in that article is outrageous then I don't know what to tell you. OF isn't calling for storming the Bastille, he's calling for congressional investigations when the worst is over. That seems pretty level-headed to me.
RE: Covid-19 considerations - cardcrimson - 03-11-2020
(03-11-2020, 08:40 AM)stupac2 Wrote:(03-11-2020, 08:27 AM)cardcrimson Wrote: spickets
Spigots.
And if you don't think that the conduct described in that article is outrageous then I don't know what to tell you. OF isn't calling for storming the Bastille, he's calling for congressional investigations when the worst is over. That seems pretty level-headed to me.
Thanks, even checked the spelling on google; came complete with pictures. Just goes to show you that you can't believe in everything you read on the internet, including from the old grey lady. Seem to remember reading a bunch of their articles proving Russian collusion with the highest levels within our government. . . .