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RE: Class of 2024+ - Hoops9092 - 11-11-2023
#28 in 2024, PG Kayleigh Heckel just announced her commitment to the USC Trojans
Stanford, of course, was one of her finalists, along with Tennessee and Alabama
RE: Class of 2024+ - Hoops9092 - 11-13-2023
Looks like we are out of the Joyce Edwards sweepstakes.
Per her instagram, she will be announcing at 5:45pm on Wednesday, November 15th and is deciding between Clemson, South Carolina and LSU. Dawn Staley reposted the announcement on her twitter, all signs seem to point to the Gamecocks.
So much for being academically motivated...
RE: Class of 2024+ - Card10Fan - 11-13-2023
(11-13-2023, 07:21 PM)Hoops9092 Wrote: Looks like we are out of the Joyce Edwards sweepstakes.
Per her instagram, she will be announcing at 5:45pm on Wednesday, November 15th and is deciding between Clemson, South Carolina and LSU. Dawn Staley reposted the announcement on her twitter, all signs seem to point to the Gamecocks.
So much for being academically motivated...
Money is on SC with LSU having an outside chance. This should be no surprise to any Stanford fan who follows recruiting.
RE: Class of 2024+ - CompSci87 - 11-13-2023
I don't imagine we are really still in it for Blakes either, but I wonder when we'll hear.
RE: Class of 2024+ - BosCard - 11-13-2023
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I don't imagine we are really still in it for Blakes either, but I wonder when we'll hear.
The biggest recruiting coup for 2024 would be Brink staying for another year. We could win it all (if we don’t this year). A championship this year and Brink probably leaves for sure as a 2x champion.
RE: Class of 2024+ - Card10Fan - 11-13-2023
(11-13-2023, 08:25 PM)CompSci87 Wrote: I don't imagine we are really still in it for Blakes either, but I wonder when we'll hear.
I think we still have a chance on Blakes. Her brother plays at Duke. She seems to value academics. She plays on the Philly Rise the same AAU team as Kennedy Ume. Her recruiting has been very quiet. She's running out of time to sign here before the early signing period ends.
Amborn, Petersen, and Ijiwoye ALL play for Jason Kidd select so AAU connections can help with recruiting.
RE: Class of 2024+ - skip75 - 11-15-2023
(11-13-2023, 08:23 PM)Card10Fan Wrote:As expected, Edwards has committed to South Carolina.(11-13-2023, 07:21 PM)Hoops9092 Wrote: Looks like we are out of the Joyce Edwards sweepstakes.
Per her instagram, she will be announcing at 5:45pm on Wednesday, November 15th and is deciding between Clemson, South Carolina and LSU. Dawn Staley reposted the announcement on her twitter, all signs seem to point to the Gamecocks.
So much for being academically motivated...
Money is on SC with LSU having an outside chance. This should be no surprise to any Stanford fan who follows recruiting.
Mudhead - Mudhead - 11-15-2023
We don’t have to like it but we have to face it. Any school without a substantial NIL organization cannot compete under todays rules. The value of a Stanford degree is not worth $50k to $100k a year to most of the athletes who can get in here. I also,think the value of that degree is declining in most eyes, but that is another topic.
We could compensate with an aggressive grad school program. We could get some very good fifth year players who, having NiL ed it for four years, would like to top off their education with a .Stanford graduate degree. Again, it s not a question of liking it, it’s a question of recognizing it. Such a program could offset our weak NIL program and give us a different crack at the talent pool.
If we don’t do something, we will not get a share of the very best players..even the very best who are interested in academics.
My opinion after a lot of thought. I would love for someone to show me I’m wrong and will even bear snubs and snide to learn I’m wrong. BTW, I’m talking about women’s basketball recruiting here. I don’t think it’s even an issue for football , men’s BB man’s baseball. Only volleyball is likely to remain immune.
RE: Class of 2024+ - BobK - 11-15-2023
Agreeing with you except Lifetime Cardinal is working in this for wbb. I don’t know the details. Saying only because others agree with you. Plus they can do something
RE: Mudhead - Softball Fan - 11-16-2023
(11-15-2023, 07:05 PM)Mudhead Wrote: Only volleyball is likely to remain immune.
Many of Stanford wvb players come from private and Catholic high schools where academics is still considered the highest priority. Also, in many of these households $20K/year in NIL doesn't move the needle financially.
I would also say women's golf has the same type of immunity. In the future it could change for both sports.
RE: Mudhead - Hulk01 - 11-16-2023
(11-16-2023, 01:21 PM)paloalto Wrote:(11-15-2023, 07:05 PM)Mudhead Wrote: Only volleyball is likely to remain immune.
Many of Stanford wvb players come from private and Catholic high schools where academics is still considered the highest priority. Also, in many of these households $20K/year in NIL doesn't move the needle financially.
I would also say women's golf has the same type of immunity. In the future it could change for both sports.
Women's golf looks immune--at least at this point. Next year, we will have seven players ranked in the World 100--with only 4.5 scholarships.
Compare this with Wake Forest, the defending NCAA champs. They currently have three Top 100's on their entire roster, and only six players on their entire team.
Mudhead - Mudhead - 11-16-2023
Hulk01 dateline='[url=tel:1700170118' Wrote: 1700170118[/url]']Good points.. there are more sports than I had thought were we can recruit without meaningful NIL . I think most of them are not high revenue sports and are dependent upon the non immune sports for survival, Abesent a very different funding model for college athletics.
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Mudhead dateline='[url=tel:1700100347' Wrote: 1700100347[/url]']
Only volleyball is likely to remain immune.
Many of Stanford wvb players come from private and Catholic high schools where academics is still considered the highest priority. Also, in many of these households $20K/year in NIL doesn't move the needle financially.
I would also say women's golf has the same type of immunity. In the future it could change for both sports.
Women's golf looks immune--at least at this point. Next year, we will have seven players ranked in the World 100--with only 4.5 scholarships.
Compare this with Wake Forest, the defending NCAA champs. They currently have three Top 100's on their entire roster, and only six players on their entire team.
RE: Mudhead - qwerty49 - 11-16-2023
(11-15-2023, 07:05 PM)Mudhead Wrote: We don’t have to like it but we have to face it. Any school without a substantial NIL organization cannot compete under todays rules. The value of a Stanford degree is not worth $50k to $100k a year to most of the athletes who can get in here. I also,think the value of that degree is declining in most eyes, but that is another topic.
We could compensate with an aggressive grad school program. We could get some very good fifth year players who, having NiL ed it for four years, would like to top off their education with a .Stanford graduate degree. Again, it s not a question of liking it, it’s a question of recognizing it. Such a program could offset our weak NIL program and give us a different crack at the talent pool.
If we don’t do something, we will not get a share of the very best players..even the very best who are interested in academics.
My opinion after a lot of thought. I would love for someone to show me I’m wrong and will even bear snubs and snide to learn I’m wrong. BTW, I’m talking about women’s basketball recruiting here. I don’t think it’s even an issue for football , men’s BB man’s baseball. Only volleyball is likely to remain immune.
Interesting idea re grad school program but that sounds dangerously close to “softening” grad school admissions standards. I doubt very much the powers-that-be will go for that.
OTOH we did have a WVB MB transfer recently who got into grad school on her own. The real question is, are there enough more like her to target as recruits?
RE: Mudhead - qwerty49 - 11-16-2023
(11-15-2023, 07:05 PM)Mudhead Wrote: We don’t have to like it but we have to face it. Any school without a substantial NIL organization cannot compete under todays rules. The value of a Stanford degree is not worth $50k to $100k a year to most of the athletes who can get in here. I also,think the value of that degree is declining in most eyes, but that is another topic.
We could compensate with an aggressive grad school program. We could get some very good fifth year players who, having NiL ed it for four years, would like to top off their education with a .Stanford graduate degree. Again, it s not a question of liking it, it’s a question of recognizing it. Such a program could offset our weak NIL program and give us a different crack at the talent pool.
If we don’t do something, we will not get a share of the very best players..even the very best who are interested in academics.
My opinion after a lot of thought. I would love for someone to show me I’m wrong and will even bear snubs and snide to learn I’m wrong. BTW, I’m talking about women’s basketball recruiting here. I don’t think it’s even an issue for football , men’s BB man’s baseball. Only volleyball is likely to remain immune.
Interesting idea re grad school program but that sounds dangerously close to “softening” grad school admissions standards. I doubt very much the powers-that-be will go for that.
OTOH we did have a WVB MB recently who got into grad school on her own. The real question is, are there enough more like her to target as recruits?
RE: Mudhead - PalmTree - 11-16-2023
(11-16-2023, 08:37 PM)qwerty49 Wrote:(11-15-2023, 07:05 PM)Mudhead Wrote: We don’t have to like it but we have to face it. Any school without a substantial NIL organization cannot compete under todays rules. The value of a Stanford degree is not worth $50k to $100k a year to most of the athletes who can get in here. I also,think the value of that degree is declining in most eyes, but that is another topic.
We could compensate with an aggressive grad school program. We could get some very good fifth year players who, having NiL ed it for four years, would like to top off their education with a .Stanford graduate degree. Again, it s not a question of liking it, it’s a question of recognizing it. Such a program could offset our weak NIL program and give us a different crack at the talent pool.
If we don’t do something, we will not get a share of the very best players..even the very best who are interested in academics.
My opinion after a lot of thought. I would love for someone to show me I’m wrong and will even bear snubs and snide to learn I’m wrong. BTW, I’m talking about women’s basketball recruiting here. I don’t think it’s even an issue for football , men’s BB man’s baseball. Only volleyball is likely to remain immune.
Interesting idea re grad school program but that sounds dangerously close to “softening” grad school admissions standards. I doubt very much the powers-that-be will go for that.
OTOH we did have a WVB MB recently who got into grad school on her own. The real question is, are there enough more like her to target as recruits?
What Qwerty said. What you have to understand about graduate admissions at Stanford is that ultimately, admissions decisions are made at the local level by departmental faculty committees. So in contrast to UG admissions, made by the central UGA-FAO office, which bases admission decisions on "academic excellence" + intangibles (special circumstances/talents in applicant backgrounds), grad admissions decisions are pretty much made from the perspective of academic/research preeminence - that's it. There is fierce competition for the best and the brightest in grad applicants among Stanford and other top schools, because that helps bring in big research- and philanthropic $ to the faculty/university. IMHO, that's a steep, steep (did I mention STEEP???) impediment to us ever "loosening" grad admissions standards. I personally prefer it that way too, and celebrate our grad-level athletes, knowing that's what it took for them to get here and to still want and be able to compete.
RE: Mudhead - CompSci87 - 11-16-2023
(11-16-2023, 06:51 PM)qwerty49 Wrote: OTOH we did have a WVB MB transfer recently who got into grad school on her own. The real question is, are there enough more like her to target as recruits?
There aren't many like her (Madeleine Gates). Stanford was her dream school, but there wasn't room for her in the amazing WVB class that included Plummer, Gray, Hentz, Fitzmorris, and the Keefe twins. So she went to UCLA, finished her undergrad in 3 years, got admitted to Stanford grad school, and joined the team for what would have been her senior year. And she was a great addition and became a starter.
RE: Mudhead - Softball Fan - 11-16-2023
(11-16-2023, 10:32 PM)CompSci87 Wrote:(11-16-2023, 06:51 PM)qwerty49 Wrote: OTOH we did have a WVB MB transfer recently who got into grad school on her own. The real question is, are there enough more like her to target as recruits?
There aren't many like her (Madeleine Gates). Stanford was her dream school, but there wasn't room for her in the amazing WVB class that included Plummer, Gray, Hentz, Fitzmorris, and the Keefe twins. So she went to UCLA, finished her undergrad in 3 years, got admitted to Stanford grad school, and joined the team for what would have been her senior year. And she was a great addition and became a starter.
That's correct plus I read she has a genius IQ. I would guess there are some out there with a similar combination of talents. Maybe some ACC wbb players might be inspired to look at Stanford in future years for grad school.
And PalmTree, it sounds like the professors and department administrators who evaluate applications for their major don't put too much weight on an applicant being able to bounce a basketball.
Mudhead - Mudhead - 11-17-2023
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OTOH we did have a WVB MB transfer recently who got into grad school on her own. The real question is, are there enough more like her to target as recruits?
There aren't many like her (Madeleine Gates). Stanford was her dream school, but there wasn't room for her in the amazing WVB class that included Plummer, Gray, Hentz, Fitzmorris, and the Keefe twins. So she went to UCLA, finished her undergrad in 3 years, got admitted to Stanford grad school, and joined the team for what would have been her senior year. And she was a great addition and became a starter.
That's correct plus I read she has a genius IQ. I would guess there are some out there with a similar combination of talents. Maybe some ACC wbb players might be inspired to look at Stanford in future years for grad school.
And PalmTree, it sounds like the professors and department administrators who evaluate applications for their major don't put too much weight on an applicant being able to bounce a basketball.
I have no doubt you are right re attitude toward the importance of understanding the physics of a bouncing basketball which eventually goes through the hoop to graduate work. But that could change. We no longer insist on “the best and brightest” in our graduate admissions. We now place DEI aspects of an applicant above or equal to undergraduate academic success in importance for being admitted. Many bb applicants , say from an Ivy or with good grades from good schools would have the DEI attributes.
I’m not ready to give up on this avenue of recruiting. IT will take some educating , some cajoling and maybe even some leadership .to get admissions folks to understand this logical adder To DEI goals.
RE: Class of 2024+ - BobK - 11-17-2023
MBB has two grad transfers Baseball has had several track has has 4/5 last couple of years Softball had one
Football has a couple.
RE: Mudhead - PalmTree - 11-17-2023
(11-17-2023, 05:18 AM)Mudhead Wrote:paloalto dateline='[url=tel:1700200795' Wrote: 1700200795[/url]']
CompSci87 dateline='[url=tel:1700199160' Wrote: 1700199160[/url]']
qwerty49 dateline='[url=tel:1700185899' Wrote: 1700185899[/url]']
OTOH we did have a WVB MB transfer recently who got into grad school on her own. The real question is, are there enough more like her to target as recruits?
There aren't many like her (Madeleine Gates). Stanford was her dream school, but there wasn't room for her in the amazing WVB class that included Plummer, Gray, Hentz, Fitzmorris, and the Keefe twins. So she went to UCLA, finished her undergrad in 3 years, got admitted to Stanford grad school, and joined the team for what would have been her senior year. And she was a great addition and became a starter.
That's correct plus I read she has a genius IQ. I would guess there are some out there with a similar combination of talents. Maybe some ACC wbb players might be inspired to look at Stanford in future years for grad school.
And PalmTree, it sounds like the professors and department administrators who evaluate applications for their major don't put too much weight on an applicant being able to bounce a basketball.
I have no doubt you are right re attitude toward the importance of understanding the physics of a bouncing basketball which eventually goes through the hoop to graduate work. But that could change. We no longer insist on “the best and brightest” in our graduate admissions. We now place DEI aspects of an applicant above or equal to undergraduate academic success in importance for being admitted. Many bb applicants , say from an Ivy or with good grades from good schools would have the DEI attributes.
I’m not ready to give up on this avenue of recruiting. IT will take some educating , some cajoling and maybe even some leadership .to get admissions folks to understand this logical adder To DEI goals.
Gerhardt Caspar once likened trying to get groups of faculty to agree to something was like herding cats - good luck with that. Also, I really don't buy that DEI has eroded pursuit of the "best and brightest" - not sure where that's coming from.